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Post by cousindupree on Oct 28, 2009 11:35:19 GMT
The fact that he made so many changes and there wasn't a sight of a first team player on the bench suggets that the management just wanted to get this game out of the way. TP after the spurs game said there would be 10 changes and warned the supporters. No other prem team made so many changes other than ManU.....so its pretty clear that he doesn't take the cup competitions seriously. I for one dont agree or even begin to understand why but its the managers perogative and a win against wolves will go some way to vindicating his choice of squad. But a defeat at home to wolves might ask questions.
I am a long way away and dont get to see the cup games but as RAF has said its all a bit pointless in the fans shelling out money if the manager and the team cant be arsed
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Post by nathan on Oct 28, 2009 11:36:30 GMT
The point is the kiddies put out on the field should have been arsed and should have staked their claim for a first team spot.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 28, 2009 11:39:55 GMT
Just playing devils advocate here ... but I wonder if the opposition had any influence over the defence that we started with?
If we'd been away at Villa, would the manager still have selected the same back four?
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Post by RAF on Oct 28, 2009 11:44:35 GMT
I don't think the back four would have been different had we been at home to Barcelona.
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Post by nathan on Oct 28, 2009 11:47:45 GMT
I think the crux of the whole matter is this -
Pulis hates cup competitions. The players on show were largely wank.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 11:51:41 GMT
Rob, Surely a line-up including Tuncay, Whelan, Lawrence and Kitson constitutes a 'strong' team? Absolutely, and I completely agree that the team on paper should have put up more of a fight. If we wee taking the competition properly seriously though, we'd have played more first teamers, in defence particularly, and we'd have had Fuller etc. on the bench. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 11:52:25 GMT
I think the crux of the whole matter is this - Pulis hates cup competitions. The players on show were largely wank. That is 100% the nub of the matter, very well put. |
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Post by march4 on Oct 28, 2009 12:24:45 GMT
Rob, Surely a line-up including Tuncay, Whelan, Lawrence and Kitson constitutes a 'strong' team? Absolutely, and I completely agree that the team on paper should have put up more of a fight. If we wee taking the competition properly seriously though, we'd have played more first teamers, in defence particularly, and we'd have had Fuller etc. on the bench. Good post Rob. Quality players such as those mentioned should have done better. We should have had options on the bench and the defence was just.................... |
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Post by eriksson74 on Oct 28, 2009 12:36:00 GMT
TP's attitude obviously rubbed off on the players, who played in the manner the manager approached the game ie it was an inconvenience.
For the argument, players would have wanted to show what they can do. Time and Time again Pulis has ignored that and will play half injured players rather than fit raering to go players. This season Kitson was playing well scoring goals and then bang a half fit BT comes in.
When playuers are faced with that scenario and the managers actions time and time again, you can understand the attitude with some players.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 13:02:45 GMT
TP's attitude obviously rubbed off on the players, who played in the manner the manager approached the game ie it was an inconvenience. For the argument, players would have wanted to show what they can do. Time and Time again Pulis has ignored that and will play half injured players rather than fit raering to go players. This season Kitson was playing well scoring goals and then bang a half fit BT comes in. When playuers are faced with that scenario and the managers actions time and time again, you can understand the attitude with some players. Some very fair points there mate. |
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Post by fromafar07 on Oct 28, 2009 13:33:06 GMT
Although on paper the lineup didnt look too bad there were just too many changes. In fact apart from Man you last night all the other prem teams made far fewer changes... Stoke 10 none on the bench P'mouth 7 (4 through being cup tied) 2 were on the bench Sunderland 5 but 3 of them on bench Villa 3 all 3 on the bench Spurs 5 (2 thru injury) Everton 1 on the bench Blackburn 6 (and they have swine flu!) 4 on the bench So only TP and Fergie made more changes to their lineups. Seems most other managers took it more seriously. TP by not even taking 10 of his first team let alone putting some on the bench basically conceded the game. hmm, well, last time i checked he is the manager. He should SHARE the blame when they lose and the success when they win ! Managers usually get too much recognition when they win and too much blame when they lose !! |
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Post by jonnynico on Oct 28, 2009 14:15:51 GMT
stokerstayinup
pulis does'nt like long distances.
so what happens if we do make europe, do we send the academy.
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 28, 2009 14:29:22 GMT
Well, I forked out £20 on a ticket, £27 quid on a train and got to bed at 1am off a train back to London after watching that shower of shit last night and I'd definitely say Tone was partly to blame for that sorry excuse of a performance. He played a team with too many rusty players in it, and by god it showed, and didn't even have many decent options on the bench to turn it around in the second half.
It was most definitely after the Lord Mayor's show following the victory at Spurs.
All of them had a chance to show why they should be in the first XI - only Whelan, Diego and Tuncay, and possibly Griff, even remotely pressed their claims (Liam had a shocker!!).
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 28, 2009 14:34:24 GMT
stokerstayinup pulis does'nt like long distances. so what happens if we do make europe, do we send the academy. As his priority will be the Prem if we do make Europe next season,then he will probably send a similar sort of team to last night. |
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Post by cousindupree on Oct 28, 2009 15:04:47 GMT
Europe will be abother unwanted distraction from the premier league....so lets not bother with cup matches or Europe(if we ever make it) and concentrate on hitting midtable premier league every season......so a win at spurs/villa/everton will be the highlight of our achievement.....doesn't sound too exciting to me  |
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Post by kronkie on Oct 28, 2009 15:24:04 GMT
Got to agree with RAF on if TP has no interest in cup comps then tell us, the paying fans, not to bother turning up.
Myself, I had only a 40 mile round trip last night, probally costing with train fare, ticket, and one or three beers before about £50 and I was totally pissed off.
What about the poor fuckers that came from the potteries, families included, it must have cost them a small fortune to see that load of toss.
I turned up, them earning £10000 a week didnt.
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Post by lee1982 on Oct 28, 2009 18:05:39 GMT
Europe will be abother unwanted distraction from the premier league....so lets not bother with cup matches or Europe(if we ever make it) and concentrate on hitting midtable premier league every season......so a win at spurs/villa/everton will be the highlight of our achievement.....doesn't sound too exciting to me and what would be wrong with mid table security every season? weve come along way in a short space of time, but lets get a grip of reality here, i fear to many of us are now expecting to much, highlighted by the fact that away wins at teams of the calibre of spurs/villla/everton wouldnt get you excited I for one had one of the best mentals ever when we beat spurs, as i also did on many occasion last season arsenal/villa (home and away) man city are just a few, the last few years have been unbelieveable and it most certainly is a good time to be a stoke city fan i would love to see us at wembeley in a major final and i do believe that day will come, as i did many years ago dreaming of the day i would see my team play premiership football despite an excellent first season and a very encouraging start to our second campaign we are still trying to establish ourselves in this division, like it or not! |
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