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Post by AlliG on Oct 14, 2009 18:13:47 GMT
And when you have just gone 2-1 up with 10 minutes to go in a must win game against one of the other relegation candidates, I think the manager is entitled to expect the player on the right side of midfield to show some positional responsibility and not go wandering off across the otherside of the pitch.
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Post by nathan on Oct 14, 2009 19:00:05 GMT
I hate to be the smart-arse but you lot would do well to watch the game. Cresser was moved to the right of midfield a couple of minutes prior to the goal - it was his man who scored in the end (HH).
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Post by magicmanfuller on Oct 14, 2009 19:06:43 GMT
to be honest if people think he is going to be the antidote to our midfield problems then we really must be cluthing at straws. There is a good midfield partnership is the squad which has yet to have been tried - whelan and faye. rory isn't up to it at this level and whitehead hasn't adapted to the way we play well. as for tonge i think it is clear he wasnt a pulis signing and as has been said he doesnt bring enough to the table defensively to start in our midfield
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Post by march4 on Oct 14, 2009 19:07:45 GMT
Tonge is he still a professional footballer?
Or is he doing something more akin to his talent like working on the tills in Tesco.
A truly woeful footballer with less discipline than I have ever seen from a professional sportsman.
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Post by nathan on Oct 14, 2009 19:09:45 GMT
march4 - you are very sad.
Tonge has infinitely more talent than Delap and Whitehead.
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Post by kingdeano on Oct 14, 2009 19:10:36 GMT
always thought he looked a decent player at sheffield, and when we signed him i was quite happy, certainly games like brum away this year when we needed that spark or creation etc he could have provided that! he can pick a decent pass, and in tight games thats crucial
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Post by march4 on Oct 14, 2009 19:11:37 GMT
march4 - you are very sad. Tonge has infinitely more talent than Delap and Whitehead. Hahahahahahahahahahaha That is the funniest thing I have ever read on this board. Gordon Brown is better at football than the completely useless Tonge. Football is more than one good pass per game and at Fratton Park he didn't even manage that.
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 14, 2009 19:11:53 GMT
I never mentioned the goal.
Fact is, Tonge came on when we were a goal up against our relegation rivals and started playing chaseball like he was playing on the Primary School yard. It was reckless and completely unproductive. Positional discipline is one of the most important attributes for a Stoke player. If Tonge wants to commit suicide, he can go and total football it at West Brazil.
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Post by mikeyb99 on Oct 14, 2009 19:14:05 GMT
Tonge is he still a professional footballer? Or is he doing something more akin to his talent like working on the tills in Tesco. A truly woeful footballer with less discipline than I have ever seen from a professional sportsman. Stupidest post of the day.
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Post by stokelad84 on Oct 14, 2009 19:14:37 GMT
march4 - you are very sad. Tonge has infinitely more talent than Delap and Whitehead. Both of those have made more Premier League games tho!
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Post by nathan on Oct 14, 2009 19:15:28 GMT
What's funny? Tonge is far better at influencing the game using feet than both Delap and Whitehead. If you don't believe that, sir, you are a complete and utter buffoon.
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Post by march4 on Oct 14, 2009 19:15:33 GMT
Tonge is he still a professional footballer? Or is he doing something more akin to his talent like working on the tills in Tesco. A truly woeful footballer with less discipline than I have ever seen from a professional sportsman. Stupidest post of the day. About the worst player we have had for a decade.
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Post by nathan on Oct 14, 2009 19:16:46 GMT
march4 - you are very sad. Tonge has infinitely more talent than Delap and Whitehead. Both of those have made more Premier League games tho! And what? I didn't say that Tonge was the more rounded player or anything of that nature - simple that Tonge has more talent than Delap and Whitehead.
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Post by kingdeano on Oct 14, 2009 19:18:16 GMT
Stupidest post of the day. About the worst player we have had for a decade. yeah hes far worse than pericard, rowson, kopteff, jarrett, whitley etc etc etc the list is fooking endless
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 14, 2009 19:18:55 GMT
Anyone who reckons Tonge has anything on Delap need sectioning pretty quickly. Oh, I forgot, you can only influence a game in an attacking sense. We should go back to playing two defenders like in the early days.
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Post by march4 on Oct 14, 2009 19:22:57 GMT
About the worst player we have had for a decade. yeah hes far worse than pericard, rowson, kopteff, jarrett, whitley etc etc etc the list is fooking endless Correct. I'm glad you finally agree with me.
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Post by nathan on Oct 14, 2009 19:25:04 GMT
Pardon, MD? Tonge is miles better than Delap in position of a football - FACT. I've made no comment as to his ability off the ball - which is, I hasten to add, equally as important - my comments were merely in response to the comment by march that Tonge doesn't have any talent (which is ridiculous).
It's got fuck all to do with playing two defenders - it's a simple statement.
Anyway, you lot all bang on about Delap's great engine. Perhaps if he could pass the thing then he wouldn't have to spend all game chasing it!!!!!!!
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Post by magicmanfuller on Oct 14, 2009 19:25:06 GMT
What's funny? Tonge is far better at influencing the game using feet than both Delap and Whitehead. If you don't believe that, sir, you are a complete and utter buffoon. Can you give an example of when tonge has influenced a game for us 'better than whitehead'?
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Post by nathan on Oct 14, 2009 19:27:38 GMT
What's funny? Tonge is far better at influencing the game using feet than both Delap and Whitehead. If you don't believe that, sir, you are a complete and utter buffoon. Can you give an example of when tonge has influenced a game for us 'better than whitehead'? The through ball to Fuller when he hit the post (Sunderland?). West Brom when he made an impact. Whitehead is useless in helping us going forward. That's not the whole game, true (before someone clever points it out), though with him and Delap in there you wonder if we'll string a pass together, let alone the dizzy heights of two or three!!
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Post by march4 on Oct 14, 2009 19:30:42 GMT
Tonge is absolutely crap. Thats the first time I have resorted to that word on this board.
What are you all on tonight?
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Post by magicmanfuller on Oct 14, 2009 19:32:59 GMT
Can you give an example of when tonge has influenced a game for us 'better than whitehead'? The through ball to Fuller when he hit the post (Sunderland?). West Brom when he made an impact. Whitehead is useless in helping us going forward. That's not the whole game, true (before someone clever points it out), though with him and Delap in there you wonder if we'll string a pass together, let alone the dizzy heights of two or three!! I agree with you about delap, his passing for a premier league centre mid isn't up to scratch, but like you say he does bring other things to the team. I think its unfair to say whitehead is useless with the ball 8 games into the season with a new club and a completely different playing style. There is alot of examples of players who haven't been brilliant to start with at a new club (ronaldo, henry, etc) but have gone on to be quality once settled, so with that in mind I think people should get off whitehead's back
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Post by march4 on Oct 14, 2009 19:36:41 GMT
Whitehead has had a steady rather than spectacular start to his SCFC career. One thing is obvious though - he is miles better than Tonge.
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 14, 2009 19:39:32 GMT
Pardon, MD? Tonge is miles better than Delap in position of a football - FACT. I've made no comment as to his ability off the ball - which is, I hasten to add, equally as important - my comments were merely in response to the comment by march that Tonge doesn't have any talent (which is ridiculous). It's got fuck all to do with playing two defenders - it's a simple statement. Anyway, you lot all bang on about Delap's great engine. Perhaps if he could pass the thing then he wouldn't have to spend all game chasing it!!!!!!! The fact that Tonge sometimes looks comfortable with the ball at his feet (not as comfortable as Liam but you can't have everything) and is a bit of a free spirit in our horrible nasty rigid system means that he's a better player than our actual best central midfielder and also means that he has more influence on games? Tonge flits around the pitch, sometimes with the ball, looking like he might do something but generally not doing an awful lot at all and letting the opposition have a man over when they attack us. Delap is the most intelligent player in the squad and whilst he's been pretty poor with the ball at his feet lately going forward, he is a million times the player Tonge will ever be and is a crucial part of our team. Never mind engine, how about saving our skin time after time in every game? The Everton game was a fine example. The guy isn't a winger by any stretch of the imagination, but when Saha (?) caught our defence napping right at the end, it was only Delap who spotted the danger and killed the chance. The Shit caught us out in the first half the other week and only Delap was awake enough to intercept. I could go on and on, every single game when the opposition break on us Delap is the first man back and spots the danger while his team-mates lag behind not picking up anyone in particular. Tonge has never done anything remotely as useful in a Stoke shirt and was the Sheffield United crowd's 'Cresswell' when he signed for us.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Oct 14, 2009 19:55:33 GMT
I love this 'ah there's more to the game than playing with the ball you know' excuse trotted out time and again to excuse utterly useless (with or WITHOUT the bloody ball) signings like the bag of washing that is Whitehead.
The bloke is CRAP. And Tonge has never been given a sniff. Let's hope Tuncay (another talent) doesn't suffer the same fate eh but I wouldn't bet against it.
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Post by march4 on Oct 14, 2009 20:02:30 GMT
I love this 'ah there's more to the game than playing with the ball you know' excuse trotted out time and again to excuse utterly useless (with or WITHOUT the bloody ball) signings like the bag of washing that is Whitehead. The bloke is CRAP. And Tonge has never been given a sniff. Let's hope Tuncay (another talent) doesn't suffer the same fate eh but I wouldn't bet against it. Tonge's problem is that he truly is rubbish. The jury is still out on Whitehead as he isn't as obviously appalling as Tonge. I fear you might be correct about Whitehead though!!
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Post by stokelad84 on Oct 14, 2009 20:03:35 GMT
I love this 'ah there's more to the game than playing with the ball you know' excuse trotted out time and again to excuse utterly useless (with or WITHOUT the bloody ball) signings like the bag of washing that is Whitehead. The bloke is CRAP. And Tonge has never been given a sniff. Let's hope Tuncay (another talent) doesn't suffer the same fate eh but I wouldn't bet against it. If its all about playing with the ball then why weren't West Brom crowned Champions???
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2009 21:57:14 GMT
What's funny? Tonge is far better at influencing the game using feet than both Delap and Whitehead. If you don't believe that, sir, you are a complete and utter buffoon. Can you give an example of when tonge has influenced a game for us 'better than whitehead'? West Brom Hull Blackpool There's three. Are your defences of Whitehead born out of you painting yourself into the corner when he first signed by declaring him miles better than Delap. Now that's proven patently not to be the case you seem to be seeing things that just aren't there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2009 21:58:44 GMT
Whitehead has had a steady rather than spectacular start to his SCFC career. One thing is obvious though - he is miles better than Tonge. He's had a "steady" start in the same way that the Challenger Shuttle had a "steady" take off.
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Post by kidsgrove4 on Oct 15, 2009 4:29:38 GMT
I love a good Tongeing myself !
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Post by nathan on Oct 15, 2009 6:55:09 GMT
Tonge's the wankest player we've had in the last 10 years, yet Whitehead has made a steady start?
You couldn't make it up. Probably the biggest load of ludicrous bollocks you'll ever find on this board. Well done march4.
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