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Post by henry on Jul 25, 2009 14:12:35 GMT
Whelan can pass better than Rory, his shots are more of a threat. Rory wins on every other comparison. i'd of thought passing and shooting are important though ;D
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Post by march4 on Jul 25, 2009 14:13:29 GMT
Interesting stats on the performance of Whelan. His starts can be split in two parts. 1) without Rory in the middle 2) with Rory in the middle 1) without Rory - 8 starts, no victories and the awful defeats at Bolton and Blackburn 2) with Rory in the middle - 10 starts, 6 wins I think that says it all. Yep, and the stats also show Cresswell made 20-odd appearances (at least) in the Prem last season. Does that make him a 'Premiership standard' player? It isn't the number of starts to which I was alluding, it was the success during those starts. It is a fact, not an assumption, that Whelan without Rory is as effective as soap without water. It was Rory who made the difference in centre midfield, not Glenn.
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Post by Royal Donut on Jul 25, 2009 14:14:10 GMT
whelan will stay, end of
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jul 25, 2009 14:15:04 GMT
yep and Trappatoni knows absolutely nothing about football at the highest level either ! (I cant believe how some of these rubbish debates even start) Whelans out because we've signed Dean Whitehead -for instance I mean Fuller will definitely be gone if we sign Ashton too them an equally ridiculous assertion Spot on fella - some people eh!!
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Post by iilforddave on Jul 25, 2009 14:25:54 GMT
Although no world beater I thought Glen was fantastic in the second half of the season and was our best midfielder by some way. But with the arrival of Whitehead who will be one of the first names on the sheet every week as captain, I think Glen will be given the elbow to the bench or maybe even off before the end of August. TP doesn't rate him and last season he was hauled off at Bolton never to be seen again until december when Salif got injured at N'castle. TP would pick Rory Oli Amdy and Diao all ahead of Glen...even when TP changed the midfield during a game he would bring on cresser before Glen. Now there is another hard worker in midfield it will be whelan who goes. So no decent passes ain midfield and certainly no goals....wrong decision in my view Fuck me, did you get out of bed on the wrongside this morning, after a night on the piss that left a trail of half empty glasses, and knock backs, youth ?
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Post by bash62 on Jul 25, 2009 15:44:05 GMT
glen stays and plays
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Post by cousindupree on Jul 25, 2009 15:55:18 GMT
Hi Ilford.....yep drank way too much Buffalo Trace last night it always gives me the blues.As for knock backs...never experienced one of those! Its an away day saturday..thats enough to be depressed! Glad TP started with Whelan and W'head...even if we do seem shite
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Post by march4 on Jul 25, 2009 15:58:04 GMT
Hi Ilford.....yep drank way too much Buffalo Trace last night it always gives me the blues.As for knock backs...never experienced one of those! Its an away day saturday..thats enough to be depressed! Glad TP started with Whelan and W'head...even if we do seem shite Whelan and anybody in the middle and we are two goals down. Rory comes on a goal straight away. You don't have to be a genius to see who is more effective Glenn or Rory.
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Post by mikeyb99 on Jul 25, 2009 16:10:17 GMT
Reading into friendlies is a bit desperate March! What to make of defeats vs N'castle Town and Nantwich ... ?
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Post by march4 on Jul 25, 2009 16:16:31 GMT
Reading into friendlies is a bit desperate March! What to make of defeats vs N'castle Town and Nantwich ... ? Amazing though that this one friendly game has shown us exactly the same as the whole of last season. Glenn's best two performances were when he came off the bench at Newcastle and Villa. I think this will be how he will be used next season.
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Post by werrington on Jul 25, 2009 16:21:20 GMT
Reading into friendlies is a bit desperate March! What to make of defeats vs N'castle Town and Nantwich ... ? Amazing though that this one friendly game has shown us exactly the same as the whole of last season. Glenn's best two performances were when he came off the bench at Newcastle and Villa. I think this will be how he will be used next season. But Stoke;s best performances were when he played!!
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 25, 2009 16:23:55 GMT
In an effective central midfield partnership you get one creator and one destroyer. I think that's how Pulis sees it too, although he's quite happy to settle for two destroyers. A Gascoigne and a Makele. That's why Delap and Whelan has worked so well. Delap has done the donkey work in the background, covered every blade of grass and most importantly of all has held up countless numbers of opposition breaks. Whelan has been the one to lurk outside the box and take long shots and has tried to do the creative stuff. To be fair on him, he does play one or two excellent passes in a game, but he is still very inconsistent. For me, Rory is better at what he does than Whelan is at what he does.
The question is this: what kind of a player is Whitehead. Is he a destroyer or a creator? The player the Sunderland fans talk about seems much more like Glenn Whelan to me. The box to box player who does short simple passes (with a high success rate) while somebody else covers the back four for him.
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Post by pope loves brass on Jul 25, 2009 16:25:17 GMT
whelan will be going know where olly will go as expected also faye in midfield aswell
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Post by march4 on Jul 25, 2009 16:28:01 GMT
Amazing though that this one friendly game has shown us exactly the same as the whole of last season. Glenn's best two performances were when he came off the bench at Newcastle and Villa. I think this will be how he will be used next season. But Stoke;s best performances were when he played!! You mean like Bolton away and Blackburn away. Lets get the facts straight, our best performances were when Rory moved to the middle. Whelan played in the centre in some awful Stoke games last season.
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Post by AdderleyGreenStokie on Jul 25, 2009 16:30:06 GMT
Whelan is quality...and TP knows it. He's goin nowhere.
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Post by werrington on Jul 25, 2009 16:42:30 GMT
But Stoke;s best performances were when he played!! You mean like Bolton away and Blackburn away. Lets get the facts straight, our best performances were when Rory moved to the middle. Whelan played in the centre in some awful Stoke games last season. Cant see your point March??......Shawcross and Faye played centre half in some awful Stoke performances..Beattie and Fuller played centre forward in some awful Stoke performances last season ....You have lost me
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 25, 2009 16:49:23 GMT
Whelan played bloody well at Blackburn March! We lost that match due to the manager. Shawcross at RB, Cressy on the left and Pericard up front! ;D
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jul 25, 2009 18:37:41 GMT
Pulis will not and cannot really afford to drop Delap which unfortunately will most likely lead to Whelan being dropped. I don't think we have enough quality in our squad yet to completely forget about the throw but i think another scenario Pulis will look at is having Rory on the right which again is not great as Lawrence will miss out. Whelan and Lawrence were vital in our push in the second half of the season but one of them will have to make way. I THINK!
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Post by march4 on Jul 25, 2009 18:46:28 GMT
You mean like Bolton away and Blackburn away. Lets get the facts straight, our best performances were when Rory moved to the middle. Whelan played in the centre in some awful Stoke games last season. Cant see your point March??......Shawcross and Faye played centre half in some awful Stoke performances..Beattie and Fuller played centre forward in some awful Stoke performances last season ....You have lost me Sorry, I'm not explaining myself properly. The point I am trying to make is that our change of fortune came about when Rory moved to central midfield. Glenn had already played in central midfield and it had made no difference to our awful results before January. Once Rory partnered Glenn things picked up.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 25, 2009 18:53:42 GMT
It has to be said that, although it was only one game (and a friendly at that) Whitehead was considerably better than Whelan today. I reckon there will be another midfielder signed (hopefully a playmaker) and that he will be partnered by Whithead with Whelan and/or Delap on the bench.
I was impressed with Ryan Shotton (at right back) today - very tidy in his distribution. I hope he makes a few appearances from the bench before going out on loan to a Championship club this season.
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Post by bash62 on Jul 25, 2009 20:48:29 GMT
all of a sudden we sign whitehead and whelans shit dont be stupid he is a ball player we need a mix of players hard men ,grafters goal scorers,and ball players whelan fits that bill just look at the great sides came to the brit and got f..k all . oh lets sign ashton then we can tell ric to do one .
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Post by The Berlin Wall on Jul 26, 2009 9:24:40 GMT
Whitehead & Whelan will never work! Both are not creative & look at last season with Delap & Whelan last season.
Nothing creative in the middle of the park just hoof ball to strikers.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 26, 2009 9:46:59 GMT
Wish i could have said the same for Ryan's distribution! How bad was he yesterday. Maybe he really, really wants to stay at Stoke, 'cause if any managers were watching him yesterday they certainly won't be coming back in a hurry. Every pass, tackle and launch up front was terrible to watch.
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Post by granthampotter on Jul 26, 2009 17:22:03 GMT
glen whelan shouldnt leave us does anybody remember that fantastic goal he scored at villa whitehead will or should have to earn his place .
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Post by droz on Jul 26, 2009 17:27:34 GMT
I was concerned when Whitehead's name first came up they may have to replace Whelan with him. Whelan was splendid in the second half of the season and I was really pleased with the way he came on.
Two things make me think that Whelan's place is not as precarious;
1. Whitehead said in his interview that he'd have to work to impress the manager and get into the team.
2. He can play right-back, and of course used to be in the Sunderland team alongside Lawrence.
He's not an 'all-action' tackling/holding midfielder, so Delap would keep his place, but at the same time he's not a natural full-back, and we're already plugging squares into round holes the other side with Higginbotham.
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Post by One-Two on Jul 26, 2009 17:30:30 GMT
GlenN!
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Jul 26, 2009 19:58:31 GMT
personally at this moment i'd have to drop delap to make way for whitehead. i don't agree that pulis does'nt rate whelan. Currently, our best line up is: GK Sorenson RB Wilko LB Higgy CB Faye CB Shawx RM Lawrence LM Ethrington CM Whitehead CM Whelan CF Fuller CF Beattie With the inclusion of some quality additons in the mould of Ashton and Beye, we could be in for another good season with a squad of decent depth SGS
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Post by Inverness Stokie on Jul 26, 2009 20:30:58 GMT
1) Whitehead has just been bought so WON'T walk into our side !
2) I waited far too long to see Glenn have a long run in the side, he proved his worth so why the hell would we ship him out ?
3) If you think that TP doesn't rate him when he played nearly all the games near the end of last year then you have serious mental deficiencies my friend.
4) £3M buys you nothing in this league, fringe players yes but in the current climate I thought we'd have to pay £6/7M for a starting central midfielder.
5) Without a doubt he is our best central midfielder at the club. He looks to pass the ball forward and deliver some service to the strikers although limitless at times it works. I don't think Rory is past it either so it's use the same side next season for me. Whitehead will have to work hius bollocks off if he wants to get that starting place as I can't see Rory or Glenn giving it up !
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