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Post by cousindupree on Jul 25, 2009 8:44:31 GMT
Although no world beater I thought Glen was fantastic in the second half of the season and was our best midfielder by some way. But with the arrival of Whitehead who will be one of the first names on the sheet every week as captain, I think Glen will be given the elbow to the bench or maybe even off before the end of August. TP doesn't rate him and last season he was hauled off at Bolton never to be seen again until december when Salif got injured at N'castle. TP would pick Rory Oli Amdy and Diao all ahead of Glen...even when TP changed the midfield during a game he would bring on cresser before Glen. Now there is another hard worker in midfield it will be whelan who goes. So no decent passes ain midfield and certainly no goals....wrong decision in my view
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 8:46:11 GMT
Are you assuming we won't be signing any more midfielders then?
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Post by PONTAFCE on Jul 25, 2009 8:48:30 GMT
Why the fuck are people saying whitehead will be captain? The guy wont just walk into the squad and have the armband given to him.He has to earn it first fella so thats rubbish to say.Whelan and whitehead will be given the chance i think if pulis keeps his head on and looks at how much he improved later on last season.Delap and diao for me will be on the bench more this up coming season.
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Post by SCFC92 on Jul 25, 2009 8:48:32 GMT
Delap can be dropped you know, and there is no way in hell Pulis will f*ck up again, trust his judgement, he got us 12th last year and all you are taking from is a couple of pessimists on here and a load of Sunderland fans who are bound to be shitty about losing a player who has CAPTAINED THEM IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE! AND HAS 5 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE!
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Post by mikeyb99 on Jul 25, 2009 8:51:19 GMT
Although no world beater I thought Glen was fantastic in the second half of the season and was our best midfielder by some way. But with the arrival of Whitehead who will be one of the first names on the sheet every week as captain, I think Glen will be given the elbow to the bench or maybe even off before the end of August. TP doesn't rate him and last season he was hauled off at Bolton never to be seen again until december when Salif got injured at N'castle. TP would pick Rory Oli Amdy and Diao all ahead of Glen...even when TP changed the midfield during a game he would bring on cresser before Glen. Now there is another hard worker in midfield it will be whelan who goes. So no decent passes ain midfield and certainly no goals....wrong decision in my view I really hope you're wrong, but I have the horrible feeling that you're right. Delap and Whitehead in midfield is a massive step backwards, and a kick in the teeth for the other fringe players in that they know - regardless of how well they perform - they'll never become a regular.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 25, 2009 8:55:23 GMT
I think we'll sign another CM and it will be bye bye to both Delap and Whelan as first-choice players
In fact, it will be interesting to see how many from the old faithful Etherington-Delap-Whelan-Lawrence quartet are starting come September.
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Post by cousindupree on Jul 25, 2009 8:58:17 GMT
TP doesn't rate Glen and has never been convinced by his workrate...thats why he was way down the pecking order after Diao Oli Rory and Faye.TP is ahuge admirer of Whitehead, Salif is in TP's opinion the best in his position at the club, Rory will still be needed for his assists...so Glen isn't likely to start. I hope we get some real quality in midfield....we have needed this for as long as I can remember...so I will wait and hope but a starting central midfield of W'head and Rory/Salif/Faye would be VERY depressing
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 25, 2009 9:00:34 GMT
I think we'll sign another CM and it will be bye bye to both Delap and Whelan as first-choice players In fact, it will be interesting to see how many from the old faithful Etherington-Delap-Whelan-Lawrence quartet are starting come September. It's ironic Grapey that the midfield you mention is the one many of us were calling for and when it finally arrived we looked a much better team for it. That said I don't believe in sentiment in football and if better players are available - we sign them and play them. End of.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 9:02:04 GMT
I think we'll sign another CM and it will be bye bye to both Delap and Whelan as first-choice players In fact, it will be interesting to see how many from the old faithful Etherington-Delap-Whelan-Lawrence quartet are starting come September. Wouldn't disagree with you there Grapey and to be honest, I think we need better than Delap and Whelan (and Whitehead) to push on. I'd assumed Whitehead was coming to replace Delap but reading the Mackems fans' views and Whitehead's interview in the Sentinel it sounds very much like he'll be replacing Whelan if anyone.
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Post by kingdeano on Jul 25, 2009 9:02:31 GMT
Although no world beater I thought Glen was fantastic in the second half of the season and was our best midfielder by some way. But with the arrival of Whitehead who will be one of the first names on the sheet every week as captain, I think Glen will be given the elbow to the bench or maybe even off before the end of August. TP doesn't rate him and last season he was hauled off at Bolton never to be seen again until december when Salif got injured at N'castle. TP would pick Rory Oli Amdy and Diao all ahead of Glen...even when TP changed the midfield during a game he would bring on cresser before Glen. Now there is another hard worker in midfield it will be whelan who goes. So no decent passes ain midfield and certainly no goals....wrong decision in my view not a prayer glen is leaving, pulis as nothing but respect for this guy how he took his chance when it came along then became one of our best players in the 2nd half of the season, i think he will use rory sparingly.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jul 25, 2009 9:03:35 GMT
Dupree, It doesnt take much for your depression to kick in does it? Considered suicide?
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Post by Northy on Jul 25, 2009 9:05:38 GMT
Delap can be dropped you know, and there is no way in hell Pulis will f*ck up again, trust his judgement, he got us 12th last year and all you are taking from is a couple of pessimists on here and a load of Sunderland fans who are bound to be shitty about losing a player who has CAPTAINED THEM IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE! AND HAS 5 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE! same as griffin, but he was pants
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 9:05:59 GMT
Bye bye Glenn
utter garbage !
sorry it really is
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Post by cousindupree on Jul 25, 2009 9:08:53 GMT
Yes I get depressed watching us give possession away play hoof ball and pass to the opposition which is what happened in most of our away games. One of the main reasons for the abject away performances was a lack of quality in midfield to compete in a game. I will not take the prozac just yet and wait to see if better players are recruited especially for midfield....if it happens then I will no doubt be as one eyed as you Brave man
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 9:12:13 GMT
Yes I get depressed watching us give possession away play hoof ball and pass to the opposition which is what happened in most of our away games. One of the main reasons for the abject away performances was a lack of quality in midfield to compete in a game. I will not take the prozac just yet and wait to see if better players are recruited especially for midfield....if it happens then I will no doubt be as one eyed as you Brave man Whelan's been as guilty as anyone when it comes to giving possession away.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 9:17:52 GMT
yep and Trappatoni knows absolutely nothing about football at the highest level either !
(I cant believe how some of these rubbish debates even start)
Whelans out because we've signed Dean Whitehead -for instance
I mean Fuller will definitely be gone if we sign Ashton too them
an equally ridiculous assertion
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jul 25, 2009 9:20:26 GMT
One eyed? because I dont get depressed as easy as you? You really think I like hoofball? Havent you seen the stuff ive posted about us not needing that Donkey Sidibe anymore because we have the team to not play that way? Didnt think so. Ill make you one eyed when i poke you in the other eye with a pointy stick!
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Post by grayscfc on Jul 25, 2009 9:22:59 GMT
i honestly think that rory will be sacrificed and rightly so, i know he gives us those throws & is an honest lad but i rate whelan higher in this league, i like rory but he offers less than whelan in attacking ways, rory get`s back & mucks in but is`nt the fastest or the best tackler. anyway, we`ll see what TP does cus we all know he`s full of surprises when it comes to team selection. it makes a change for us to have these `GOOD` problems though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 9:23:01 GMT
yep and Trappatoni knows absolutely nothing about football at the highest level either ! (I cant believe how some of these rubbish debates even start) Whelans out because we've signed Dean Whitehead -for instance I mean Fuller will definitely be gone if we sign Ashton too them an equally ridiculous assertion What do you think the midfield will look like then Tony? Please shower us with your almighty wisdom. Show us the way, almighty exalted leader.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 9:23:59 GMT
i honestly think that rory will be sacrificed and rightly so, i know he gives us those throws & is an honest lad but i rate whelan higher in this league, i like rory but he offers less than whelan in attacking ways, rory get`s back & mucks in but is`nt the fastest or the best tackler. anyway, we`ll see what TP does cus we all know he`s full of surprises when it comes to team selection. it makes a change for us to have these `GOOD` problems though. We'll need someone to do the "get back and muck in" stuff just as importantly as the getting forward though.
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 25, 2009 9:26:26 GMT
Although no world beater I thought Glen was fantastic in the second half of the season and was our best midfielder by some way. But with the arrival of Whitehead who will be one of the first names on the sheet every week as captain, I think Glen will be given the elbow to the bench or maybe even off before the end of August. TP doesn't rate him and last season he was hauled off at Bolton never to be seen again until december when Salif got injured at N'castle. TP would pick Rory Oli Amdy and Diao all ahead of Glen...even when TP changed the midfield during a game he would bring on cresser before Glen. Now there is another hard worker in midfield it will be whelan who goes. So no decent passes ain midfield and certainly no goals....wrong decision in my view A very naive view of matters to be honest.This is going to be a long hard season ,and we need a deeper squad,with higher calibre players within it. Dean Whitehead will improve our squad without a doubt,and that is what TP has bought him for.I would be surprised if Glen Wheelan does not have a significant role to play this season.
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Post by henry on Jul 25, 2009 9:28:38 GMT
personally at this moment i'd have to drop delap to make way for whitehead.
i don't agree that pulis does'nt rate whelan.
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Post by grayscfc on Jul 25, 2009 9:29:14 GMT
i honestly think that rory will be sacrificed and rightly so, i know he gives us those throws & is an honest lad but i rate whelan higher in this league, i like rory but he offers less than whelan in attacking ways, rory get`s back & mucks in but is`nt the fastest or the best tackler. anyway, we`ll see what TP does cus we all know he`s full of surprises when it comes to team selection. it makes a change for us to have these `GOOD` problems though. We'll need someone to do the "get back and muck in" stuff just as importantly as the getting forward though. I agree RVD, though as a `box to box` player i think that whitehead will be filling that role sufficiently. i really like rory but i think he`s just a bit slow and not a great tackler. it`s all about progression for us without trying to be west brom.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 9:32:34 GMT
We'll need someone to do the "get back and muck in" stuff just as importantly as the getting forward though. I agree RVD, though as a `box to box` player i think that whitehead will be filling that role sufficiently. i really like rory but i think he`s just a bit slow and not a great tackler. it`s all about progression for us without trying to be west brom. I think we need a defensive mid to tidy things up and play in front of the back four and a creative type going forward. Sounding more and more like Whitehead is going to be competing with Whelan for the more forward playing midfield role. Be interesting to see who else we bring in.
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Post by magicmanfuller on Jul 25, 2009 9:39:05 GMT
I agree RVD, though as a `box to box` player i think that whitehead will be filling that role sufficiently. i really like rory but i think he`s just a bit slow and not a great tackler. it`s all about progression for us without trying to be west brom. I think we need a defensive mid to tidy things up and play in front of the back four and a creative type going forward. Sounding more and more like Whitehead is going to be competing with Whelan for the more forward playing midfield role. Be interesting to see who else we bring in. I think we may sign both a creative and defensive centre mid with a view to possibly playing 5 in the middle next season away from home to prevent a similar away record to last season
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Post by musik on Jul 25, 2009 9:40:14 GMT
Delap-Whelan-Whitehead-Etherington or Lawrence-Whelan-Whitehead-Etherington or Lawrence-Whitehead-Whelan-Delap
So don't worry about Whelan...
But what about the forwards?
Fuller-Beattie or Fuller-Ashton or Ashton-Sidibe or Ashton-Kitson or Kitson-Cresswell or Cresswell-Sidibe or Sidibe-Fuller or Ashton-Beattie or Fuller-Cresswell or Cresswell-Beattie or Fuller-Kitson or Beatie-Sidibe or Beattie-Kitson or Cresswell-Ashton or Kitson-Sidibe
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Post by grayscfc on Jul 25, 2009 9:44:59 GMT
i`d go for a regular line up up (when all available) of,
tommy- wilko,shawx,abdy,higgo- liam,glen,whitehead,ethers- ric & beatts.
of course, this may change due to incoming players & form!!!!!
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Post by jonezy94stokie on Jul 25, 2009 9:58:02 GMT
nah i wud still play welan over whitehead cos if whiteheads so good why didnt sunderland want him and in my eyes were a far better club than sunderland
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Post by sargestokie on Jul 25, 2009 9:59:18 GMT
I think it would be stupid of Tony to drop Glen as he is by far the best central midfielder we have, at the moment. The team seems to take a more attacking mind set whenever he is playing and i think partnered with Whitehead, we'd have a solid central midfield, which is the only area which has been lacking in my oppinion. As much as Rory has been important to us, i'd rather him to be sitting on the bench than Glen.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Jul 25, 2009 9:59:19 GMT
a solution for me:
1. Listen, no matter how limited a player some think he is, Rory has to play with this current squad. Take his throws out and just how many quality balls to we put into the box or to our strikers. When we get better players and can actually play football then we'll change.
We simply can't play football with the squad we have. That's not a dig at anyone, but most games see us launching it for 3/4 of a game. If folk don't like that, then tough. Witness most games consisting of Messrs Wilkinson and Higginbotham simply hoofing it diagonally towards Beatts. This went on Tuesday night in Austria too, and won't change. Etherington and Lawrence might as well take newspapers onto the pitch for the amount of quality ball they get off their full backs. The Hapoel game was embarrassing how we couldn't pass a football at times. In a pre-season, no-tackle no-pressure-game, we had 80% of our squad who can't even do the basics.
We therefore simply have to carry on playing as we did last season. NOWT wrong with that, as it's results what count, but that means that Rory must play in some shape or form.
3. Personally, I'd take Rory at right back over Wilko as we MUST keep the throw-in option with this squad of players. Wilko improved but is not a Premiership player in my eyes. He offers very little with the ball at his feet. If our fill backs don't start passing the thing then we'll not get any better, and could very possibly get worse.
Harsh stuff, maybe, but I want us to progress. Whitehead offers us nowt extra with the ball at his feet. Whelan is our best passer by a mile (not the hardest competition to win, I'll grant you), and I wouldn't write off Rory in centre midfield just yet, either. Plenty of poor 2-3million quid signings hardly got a kick last season at Stoke, and rightly so.
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