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Post by bivvusby on Jul 15, 2009 18:54:51 GMT
Chaps,
I realise that this subject will be happily hijacked by a torrential outpouring of passionate partizanonia and "faith talk", but,...
............ when we talk about this next season in the Premier League, what do we realistically expect from the club/team and what do we need to do to make sure that we go further and become a well established club in this top tier
In my opinion, i think that if the club plays it right then we could have a great future amongst some of the best football in the world.
Vive le Potteries
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Post by stokecity1986 on Jul 15, 2009 18:57:46 GMT
17th will do me fine, it really would  any more and i will be chuffed for sure! D: |
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Post by sheikh al dubai bin stokie on Jul 15, 2009 19:01:06 GMT
bivvusby.... i see what you did there
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 15, 2009 19:04:51 GMT
Yes I think we can. We need to improve on our ball retention though. If we don't then next year could be a struggle because we will have to be as excellent at home and that will be tough.
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Post by march4 on Jul 15, 2009 19:18:59 GMT
Yes I think we can. We need to improve on our ball retention though. If we don't then next year could be a struggle because we will have to be as excellent at home and that will be tough. Spot on. |
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Post by Irish Stokie on Jul 15, 2009 19:22:23 GMT
Yes i think we can and the fact that their are some really poor teams in the Prem this season will help our cause. I think we need to strengthen in key areas such as full back and CM and we defo need to sign players better then whitehead to do this but i think TP knows exactly how to survive in this league
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Post by edouardlapaglie on Jul 15, 2009 19:24:19 GMT
The simple answer to the question, although Bayerns reasoning is spot on by the way, the simple answer is yes, simply because i think of Fulham, Portsmouth and Wigan - and to me i immediately think 'Premier League' clubs, as they have been there for a few seasons, that's what it takes to become established, when the majority of people hear the name of the club, or read the name of the club and think 'that's a premier league club'
Like, if someone said 'Reading were on telly last night' - you wouldn't think 'prem' team but you would with Pompey.
Am i making sense? I doubt it :-)
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Jul 15, 2009 19:27:14 GMT
Nope. we will be back in the Championship next season.
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Post by Ron Burgundy on Jul 15, 2009 19:27:31 GMT
Well Pompey are a Prem team and Reading aren't, so you have a point  If clubs like Bolton, Wigan, Pompey and Fulham can get established, so can Stoke. |
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Post by edouardlapaglie on Jul 15, 2009 19:28:10 GMT
Well Pompey are a Prem team and Reading aren't, so you have a point I knew i'd slipped up trying to make sense ;D |
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 15, 2009 19:28:57 GMT
The simple answer to the question, although Bayerns reasoning is spot on by the way, the simple answer is yes, simply because i think of Fulham, Portsmouth and Wigan - and to me i immediately think 'Premier League' clubs, as they have been there for a few seasons, that's what it takes to become established, when the majority of people hear the name of the club, or read the name of the club and think 'that's a premier league club' Like, if someone said 'Reading were on telly last night' - you wouldn't think 'prem' team but you would with Pompey. Am i making sense? I doubt it :-) Yes but look at some of the players them 3 clubs have signed in the past,we have to sign better players than we have now to try and move on. |
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Post by jasepc on Jul 15, 2009 19:29:40 GMT
HI all,
I dont think we can if we insist on buyin average championship level players like whitehead; i feel we will go down!
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Post by stokecity1986 on Jul 15, 2009 19:30:38 GMT
nice positivity there LordEffingHamHunt  cant u keep your negativity to youself!! |
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Post by edouardlapaglie on Jul 15, 2009 19:31:10 GMT
Oh of course we do, no doubting that whatsoever, was just trying to answer the question in the simplest way. If we can manage to get the kinds of players those teams have had over the last few seasons, especially some of the bigger names Pompey & the up and coming guys Wigan managed to get hold of then all the better.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 15, 2009 19:33:21 GMT
Nope. we will be back in the Championship next season. If we're not careful I agree  |
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Post by kingdeano on Jul 15, 2009 19:34:33 GMT
if we sign the right players, then yes easily! we have just got be careful we dont fall into the catorgory of signing players that aint going improve us, imo whitehead wont improve the starting 11! ok he will be ok on the bench etc but are we in a position to buy squad players when we finished 12th? imo we need to buy players that can get into that 11 so the players they replace are proven as they did it last year.
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Post by jarhead on Jul 15, 2009 20:49:40 GMT
Diao,Cresswank,Sidibe,Griffin....if pulis still thinks these can do a job and play alot of games in this league we will certainly do well to get near 12th again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 20:55:30 GMT
I thought we already were an established premier league club after last season
no one will look forward to coming to the britt next season either !
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 15, 2009 21:26:58 GMT
The simple answer to the question, although Bayerns reasoning is spot on by the way, the simple answer is yes, simply because i think of Fulham, Portsmouth and Wigan - and to me i immediately think 'Premier League' clubs, as they have been there for a few seasons, that's what it takes to become established, when the majority of people hear the name of the club, or read the name of the club and think 'that's a premier league club' Like, if someone said 'Reading were on telly last night' - you wouldn't think 'prem' team but you would with Pompey. Am i making sense? I doubt it :-) You are making sense but Middlesborough will still be seen as a Premier League club at the moment, as were Charlton, Southampton etc. There is the warning, we can't get bored if we're an established mid-table club in five years time! |
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 15, 2009 21:30:04 GMT
Oh of course we do, no doubting that whatsoever, was just trying to answer the question in the simplest way. If we can manage to get the kinds of players those teams have had over the last few seasons, especially some of the bigger names Pompey & the up and coming guys Wigan managed to get hold of then all the better. Well there you have it my friend you do that with the right managment and you have answered the question. |
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Post by edouardlapaglie on Jul 15, 2009 21:34:53 GMT
Yeah, but you know what i mean with regards to just thinkin' of a team as being established in the division it is in, Swansea will be seen as a championship team if they stay there for another couple of seasons.
The general thing i'm getting at is to non-stoke fans we'll be seen as an established prem club if we stay up another few years.
I'm not saying it will be easy, no way at all am i, and i'm not on about how we do it, the rights or the wrongs, and damn right teams can go from top to bottom of the football chain.
But that kind of thing is not really what i'm referring to or discussing, even though of course i get why you're mentioning it.
I'm just answering the basic line, yes we can become an established club in the premier league IF we manage to stay up, by whatever means we may do for another few seasons.
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Post by Roy Cropper on Jul 15, 2009 21:37:48 GMT
bivvusby.... i see what you did there I dont ??? Shouldnt it be Viv Busby ??? And 17th would do me nicely in answer to your question. |
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Post by onebollockbarry on Jul 15, 2009 21:39:40 GMT
I thought we already were an established premier league club after last season no one will look forward to coming to the britt next season either ! 1 season doesn't make us established, we will still be one of the favourites to go down. Also i can't see the Brit being anything like it was at times last year in the future, the novelty of the first season will slowly disappear and we wont be able to rely on our home form so much. Personally i thought it started to die down towards the end of the season anyway. Stand still and fail to improve in this league and you go backwards very quickly. |
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Post by BiddulphStokie on Jul 15, 2009 21:40:00 GMT
17th-14th will be happy. 14th and above would be amazing
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Post by Ron Burgundy on Jul 15, 2009 21:41:22 GMT
We need to keep The Brit as an intimidating fortress though, even if the novelty wears off and we're in a stale 0-0 with Bolton or Wigan.
Some of the home games against the likes of Hull & Brazil were a bit muted when things weren't going to plan- we want the Burnley players ears popping in August!
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Post by johnnydenz on Jul 15, 2009 21:45:30 GMT
face the facts we all know we could never compete with the big boys. tp knows this and mid table is brill to him and most the loyals. he knows his football and will keep us even if he,s buying late AGAIN
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Post by edouardlapaglie on Jul 15, 2009 21:47:14 GMT
We need to keep The Brit as an intimidating fortress though, even if the novelty wears off and we're in a stale 0-0 with Bolton or Wigan. Some of the home games against the likes of Hull & Brazil were a bit muted when things weren't going to plan- we want the Burnley players ears popping in August! Agreed, also i do actually think as it will be the start of the campaign, and the end to the footie withdrawal syndromes that we face during closed season, coupled with the fact the Burnley fans will be loud and sell out their allocation. It will be probably summat like as loud as against Villa first home game last season  |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 15, 2009 23:46:03 GMT
It's a good question. Bolton and Wigan are established now but at the start of each season I bet they say the main aim is 4th from bottom.
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Post by mumf14 on Jul 16, 2009 0:25:13 GMT
In terms of footballing pedigree and passion (and on the evidence of this seasons support) one would have to say that both Wigan and to a lesser degree Bolton are not in 'our league.' Our support has been outstanding,tremendous and the transition to becoming an established Premier league club has been made that bit more easy as a result. I personally believe that while Peter Coates and Tony Pulis are at the helm ,then Stoke City is in relatively safe hands with the odd scare here and there... if results don't particularly go our way. The question is really..: "Should we be here on merits ..?" and once again the answer to that one is a definite yes. It's when one sees the likes of Blackburn,Reading,Wigan,Charlton and Fulham that one has to question their membership into the most exclusive and lucrative clubs in the world.  Charlton have now gone down from whence they came, but it is more to do with passion and pride from both the fans and players alike.That is where Newcastle United failed...they didn't have the passion and commitment on the field of play to match the massively under-performing superstar players. In direct contrast, we at Stoke have one of the best man motivators in the business which is a crucial point when looking at the abilities of a new manager coming into the Premiership. One more season in this league and we will become establihed in my eyes.The hard one is the first season ..Staying Up. If we can just maintain the fantastic work ethic that Tony Pulis had engendered in his teams, then we should all be able to sit back and relax... The next stage on from the present one is perhaps a good cup final ...or even a semi-final would do.!! One can only dream I suppose. |
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Jul 16, 2009 0:26:37 GMT
If Bolton and Wigan etc can then i can't see why we can't. BUT we have to change out away tactics.
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