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Post by pushon on Feb 1, 2009 19:42:23 GMT
Both record signing strikers....Keane 6 or 7 goals, but considered not to have enough quality to be included in recent scouser squad.
Kitson '0' goals but could still get his "ginga ring" licked by many knowledgable? posters on this site.
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Post by fradleyhomes on Feb 1, 2009 19:48:34 GMT
Boring
Get off his back
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2009 19:48:51 GMT
Possibly, in that they are both clearly good players who were unfathomably signed by managers who could not accomodate them into their style of play.
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Post by whelan_6 on Feb 1, 2009 19:57:42 GMT
think were still to see the best of kitson yet,would like to see him get 3 or 4 games in his proper position.
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Post by Chrissyd33 on Feb 1, 2009 20:05:03 GMT
i agree kitson hasnt been given a good enough chance i was one of them slaggin him off because of his cost... but what can u do if your not playing
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Post by liamscfc on Feb 1, 2009 20:07:36 GMT
given a run in the team he could probably start scoring but cant see him having a run in the team with beats and fuller
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 1, 2009 20:09:05 GMT
think were still to see the best of kitson yet,would like to see him get 3 or 4 games in his proper position. How likely do you honestly think that is avh? I'd go for a probability of somewhere between zero and nought.  |
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Post by cooperman45 on Feb 1, 2009 20:33:59 GMT
I think Kitson and Beattie will start against Sunderland, with Lawrence at right midfield in place of Delap. Bring Fuller on in the second half when the defence is knackered and he'll run them ragged. First away win in the bag. Goaarrn Stoke.
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Post by stokecityscott on Feb 1, 2009 20:35:23 GMT
Torres is the record signing
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Post by pushon on Feb 1, 2009 20:52:44 GMT
Fair enough Ethers, I didn't check the facts, but a good comparison maybe?
Just trying to start a bit of controversy!
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 2, 2009 0:48:54 GMT
Keane must be wondering what he's done wrong.
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Post by Will_75 on Feb 2, 2009 11:11:53 GMT
keane is being frozen out by the stubborn manager to prove a point to the chief exec who signed him. that sort of thing would never happen here |
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Feb 2, 2009 11:13:45 GMT
Bit harsh comparing Robbie to Kitson. At least Keane has scored and looks the part at times. Kitson has just been utter dross
Why should Kitson start v Sunderland if Fuller fit?? Has done nothing to warrant a place in the side. When he has played in his so called best position he hasn't cut it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2009 11:19:14 GMT
Bit harsh comparing Robbie to Kitson. At least Keane has scored and looks the part at times. Kitson has just been utter dross Why should Kitson start v Sunderland if Fuller fit?? Has done nothing to warrant a place in the side. When he has played in his so called best position he hasn't cut it Neither fit into their respective systems though. Liverpool thrived last season with Gerrard playing just behind Torres, so I don't see why they needed to spend £20m on Keane to seemingly break up a winning formula. Kitson is a penalty box striker who thrived on the service of wingers, yet we seemed for some reason to have brought him in to play the Mama role. We haven't had a proper chance to see what he can do as the advanced striker playing with the service of a genuine winger like Etherington. |
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Post by RAF on Feb 2, 2009 11:22:22 GMT
Exactly RVD.
However JR has been having a pop at him from day one, so don't expect any sense from him on the subject.
Proven Prem scorer, not really been given the chance in his ideal role and when he was given that chance he was still recovering from injury then frozen out, while the woeful Cresswell who has missed more sitters than anyone this season keeps getting played.
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Post by evans1863 on Feb 2, 2009 11:22:23 GMT
Soi - Do you think Michael Owen would score goals with the same "service" Kitson has recieved this season?
Not a dig just want genuine thoughts, because I believe Kitson to be our most skilled player, but IMHO he's not been given a chance to stick the ball in the net (bar Pompy).
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Post by growler on Feb 3, 2009 10:25:12 GMT
I wish our strikers were as bad as Robbie K - look at his goals to game ratio this season. How has he failed?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 3, 2009 12:15:48 GMT
Soi - Do you think Michael Owen would score goals with the same "service" Kitson has recieved this season? Not a dig just want genuine thoughts, because I believe Kitson to be our most skilled player, but IMHO he's not been given a chance to stick the ball in the net (bar Pompy). Agree evans. You only have to look at how many goals we scored when Kitson WASN'T in the team to support your point. Just FIVE in ten games, and two of those were scored by a centre back FFS! Fuller managed one (pretty wank) penalty during that period. Was it Dave's fault that we could only manage an average of 1 goal in every 2 games when he wasn't even on the pitch? Of course not, but what it does demonstrate is that he had been playing in a side that created very little in front of goal when he was playing and even less when he wasn't. Kitson played in just ONE game before his injury where there was a winger (of sorts) in Pugh and a ball player (Whelan) on the pitch and he was superb that night. Who put Beattie in for his first goal? Who crossed to Beattie for his second goal? Who is probably going to supply Beattie with the ammunition for several more of his goals this season? Pulis moved heaven and earth to try and bring Pennant and Ledley in in the last window to provide the sort of service that Etherington now offers, but failed. How anybody can judge Kitson on his striking abilities without at the same time considering the position he has been asked to play in and without considering the total lack of service that we have been providing to him is really beyond me. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 3, 2009 12:22:28 GMT
Mmmm. Good points. I don't think we are going to be that creative whatever happens BUT Ethers is clearly providing that deft touch thats been lacking. Lets see how Kitsy goes if he can get on the end of an Ethersball. Also look how Jimmy Beat set up Rory at Chelsea. That was another deft touch. If Kitson can work with him they could be great for each other.
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Post by paul2106 on Feb 3, 2009 12:26:51 GMT
Kitson for me has to be given a good run in the team. You dont buy a player for £5,500,000 unless your complete moran and never play him, TP must have beleived in his ability. He will come good
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Post by Fred Ferret on Feb 3, 2009 12:36:15 GMT
Sama old, same old - boring and blind comment from the "anti-Kitson brigade". So Kitson has always been crap has he? He's just fluked all his performances with other teams and clever us have been able to find him out?
A bloody good player doesn't become a bad player in the space of a few months.
Why can't "they" engage brain and understand that Kitson has just not been given a chance with the plan A style Tone's been adopting. And "changing" the style to plan A (yes plan A) would really fix the problem wouldn't it.
Repeat after me: "Now we've got Etherington why not play Kitson where he should be played?" See - it really doesn't hurt and then we might all get somewhere.
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Post by ParaPsych on Feb 3, 2009 12:40:48 GMT
Kitson may or may not come good now we have a creative player, but I think we'd be safer having the pace of Fuller or Camara upfront to help create even more for Beattie, or just to relieve some pressure by charging up the pitch.
I still think the Ginger Prince might come off the bench and nick one by the end of the season though.
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Post by MrMagic on Feb 3, 2009 12:43:34 GMT
No - Keane was signed by Parry and the mad spaniard refused to play him to prove a point. Kitson was signed by Pulis, and has not been used effectively.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 3, 2009 12:46:55 GMT
Bit harsh comparing Robbie to Kitson. At least Keane has scored and looks the part at times. Kitson has just been utter dross Why should Kitson start v Sunderland if Fuller fit?? Has done nothing to warrant a place in the side. When he has played in his so called best position he hasn't cut it Neither fit into their respective systems though. Liverpool thrived last season with Gerrard playing just behind Torres, so I don't see why they needed to spend £20m on Keane to seemingly break up a winning formula. Kitson is a penalty box striker who thrived on the service of wingers, yet we seemed for some reason to have brought him in to play the Mama role. We haven't had a proper chance to see what he can do as the advanced striker playing with the service of a genuine winger like Etherington. keane was bought to play a different system with torres gerrard and gareth barry - when the barry transfer collapsed so did keanes chances of a good run kitson was meant to play in a different stoke team with the likes of ledley at midfield and lawrence on the wing. the injury to lawrence and the failiure to add some creativity to midfield meant kitson playing out of position and the resurgence of mama kitson still will play a massive part this season |
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Feb 3, 2009 12:49:53 GMT
There is no point in us signing any creative midfielders. The ball just flies over their heads.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 3, 2009 12:56:11 GMT
There is no point in us signing any creative midfielders. I thought Etherington was pretty creative to be fair but I kind of see your point in that you get your information from the tabloids. As for Kitson, I was watching Premiership years last night and it was last seasons and the Ginger Ninja scored a few goals ( a few from 2 yards out when the ball has been crossed in and he's bust a gut to get on the end of it.) I think he'll come good and will score 4 or 5 goals for us given a chance especially with Matty E supplying some crosses like Beats the other day. |
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Feb 3, 2009 17:50:18 GMT
Unbelievable that some are so naive as to see he simply can't cut it. RAF would kiss his arse if he went all season without a goal-even Rory can find his way into the 6 yard box to score with Kitson labouring behind.
All this Etherington will supply the ammo is utter nonsense. We have better strikers who are rightly ahead of him in the queue so he barely warrants a place on the bench. Intersting how some of the above sticking up for Kitson were against the signing of Harewood who scored more goals in a season than Kitson ever will. Like Greenacre all over again.
Despite the fact the Robbie may or may not fit Rafa;s style he's still scored goals.
'I still think the Ginger Prince might come off the bench and nick one by the end of the season though'............that'll be a hefty chunk paid back won't it. FFS
'So Kitson has always been crap has he? ' Had a good season with Reading in The Prem no one is denying that. Does that mean he'll repeat that year after year?? Obviously not it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2009 18:01:29 GMT
Neither fit into their respective systems though. Liverpool thrived last season with Gerrard playing just behind Torres, so I don't see why they needed to spend £20m on Keane to seemingly break up a winning formula. Kitson is a penalty box striker who thrived on the service of wingers, yet we seemed for some reason to have brought him in to play the Mama role. We haven't had a proper chance to see what he can do as the advanced striker playing with the service of a genuine winger like Etherington. keane was bought to play a different system with torres gerrard and gareth barry - when the barry transfer collapsed so did keanes chances of a good run kitson was meant to play in a different stoke team with the likes of ledley at midfield and lawrence on the wing. the injury to lawrence and the failiure to add some creativity to midfield meant kitson playing out of position and the resurgence of mama kitson still will play a massive part this season What would Barry bring that Alonso and Mascherano couldn't though? Mascherano's a far better holding midfielder and Alonso a better all-rounder than Barry, what would he have added to benefit Keane? |
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Post by Kirstendunstslovebubbles on Feb 3, 2009 18:07:49 GMT
I can't see how he's going to get back into the side. But can anyone else honestly say they were filled with confidence when he was signed. It was blatantly obvious he wouldn't fit into our style of play
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Feb 3, 2009 18:12:13 GMT
Robbie Keane has only figured in 19 games for Liverpool and scored 5 goals- hardly a disaster. One less that Berbatov who has played more games. I fail to see too much he's done wrong. Started off slowly and started to find the net. Rafa since his upturn in form seems happy to leave him on the bench no matter what-ie the Stoke game when surely they could have benifitted from him on the pitch. Surely more to this than meets the eye-is not as if he's failed to score goals and been a complete disaster, doesn't add up.
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