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Post by Pedropotter on Jan 14, 2009 16:24:08 GMT
Theres some sanctimonious tossers on here. The original poster asked a valid question about something that Stoke used to offer. Unfortunately it provokes a load of rhetoric from fuckers who are in work and smugly like to slag those of who are less fortunate at this moment in time. Long may you continue in work gentlemen because if the financial climate catches up with you and you didnt see it coming, you too may be relegated to the growing band of dole scummers, scroungers, tossers or any other offensive term that is applied to those genuinely unfortunateenough to be out of work. Your attitude is very much akin to the modern day supporter who forgets that football wasnt always a middle class pursuit Thanks, well put.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 14, 2009 16:26:10 GMT
Yep thanks for the comments Stafford, as I have already said I too lost everything, and I dont care for your insults and I certainly am not in an ivory tower mate. Feet firmly on the ground coz I know anyone can lose a job damn quick and at nearly 48 mate and moving was the only option to survive. Would you call me a prick to my face coz I am not insulting anyone pointing out my circumstance and how I deal with live. I wont call you or any others on here wot you called me coz that is not my way. 22 years in the army taught me respect which you lack mate. Yes mate I would say it your face. I claim because it best suits my circumstances at the moment. I am looking for work and when I find some that suits mine and my families needs then I will take it. I don't like claiming but to have someone imply that I am not a man or should be ashamed for trying to do my best for my family is a bit thoughtless on your part. I have no ill feeling towards you mate but please realise that people have different circumstances and think before casting judgment. Cheers.
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 14, 2009 16:28:36 GMT
Yep thanks for the comments Stafford, as I have already said I too lost everything, and I dont care for your insults and I certainly am not in an ivory tower mate. Feet firmly on the ground coz I know anyone can lose a job damn quick and at nearly 48 mate and moving was the only option to survive. Would you call me a prick to my face coz I am not insulting anyone pointing out my circumstance and how I deal with live. I wont call you or any others on here wot you called me coz that is not my way. 22 years in the army taught me respect which you lack mate. Yes mate I would say it your face. I claim because it best suits my circumstances at the moment. I am looking for work and when I find some that suits mine and my families needs then I will take it. I don't like claiming but to have someone imply that I am not a man or should be ashamed for trying to do my best for my family is a bit thoughtless on your part. I have no ill feeling towards you mate but please realise that people have different circumstances and think before casting judgment. Cheers. Fucking ell Stafford. Just glanced at you avatar and thought it said "fucking dole scum" Had to glance twice
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 14, 2009 16:30:24 GMT
;D Same thing mate.
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Post by Pedropotter on Jan 14, 2009 16:34:22 GMT
So, are we saying concessions are a good idea then?! ;D
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Jan 14, 2009 16:35:11 GMT
Stafford, have you enquired about family tax credits, I'm not 100% sure how it works... I know of people who work, or one of the couple work and they claim help with nursery fees and these child tax credits, so you work and pay your way ie pay tax but still have a semi decent wage.
I lost my job in November and was struggiling for money, So I was doing odd jobs here and there helping people out doing a bit of labour work to tie me over.... Over christmas time I couldn't afford to run my car, so I didn't....I'm just saying (im not saying you are one of them) people lose there jobs and wont work for less money ebcause they have to change their life style. like shop at aldi instead of tesco, only have 1 family car, not 2 etc... So if they live on all the governemtn handouts they cna live like they use to when they were earning a good wage. Like people have said, Stoke should be the last of your priorities, if you can afford go to Stoke, you can afford pay tax, and work!
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jan 14, 2009 16:43:50 GMT
Indeed this is the problem but you then come back to the fact we are lucky that we live in a free and democratic society. This is what happens when the majority are wrong
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Post by youareallwrong on Jan 14, 2009 16:46:18 GMT
Just a quick thought. There are, I believe, 1.9m unemployed and 500,000 vacancies. Can any of you bright sparks do the maths on that?
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Post by 606Stokie on Jan 14, 2009 16:46:20 GMT
Dont think That the club would do that i am 22 and I have had jobs in the past but at the moment i cant find any work... Will do whatever as well... and i look... I Also have a Disability as well called Dispraxia which makes more difficult to find work...
So its not my fault atm if ive not been able to find work for about a year... in this current climeate.. As well as i have all the qualifacations as well but cant find work..
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Post by stokie25 on Jan 14, 2009 16:52:55 GMT
this is not strictly related to this thread per se, but the link below is quite easy to use (claiming for help is a minefield) www.entitledto.co.uk/Hope it helps some of you!
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Post by bettyswallocks on Jan 14, 2009 17:00:57 GMT
This really has sparked up a great debate but lets remember to keep it clean ay lads, were all stokies and all one family have a bit of respect towards each other
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Post by rocket88 on Jan 14, 2009 17:23:57 GMT
Blimey! This threads gone off on a tangent. The question of Unemployed v Vacancies etc.... should be addressed by Government, not football fans. I think that the problem lies with football turning into a business, rather than a sport. The problem is that players now are on FUCKING MASSIVE WAGES!!!!!! , but theres still only the same amount of money (or less) in the towns & cities that support these clubs/players. The beautiful game is no longer something that the everyday Joe can afford to support (i include myself & Mrs Rocket in that statement). Football is now VERY EXPENSIVE to follow, out of the reach of most people with rent/mortgage, kids, no job/low paid job etc. As for concessions ? Who knows ? i don't want to get into that argument. The fundamental problem is that players/management/shareholders all want a big piece of the pie, & most of the people in this city can't afford a big pie.
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Post by stokie25 on Jan 14, 2009 17:28:58 GMT
Blimey! This threads gone off on a tangent. The question of Unemployed v Vacancies etc.... should be addressed by Government, not football fans. I think that the problem lies with football turning into a business, rather than a sport. The problem is that players now are on FUCKING MASSIVE WAGES!!!!!! , but theres still only the same amount of money (or less) in the towns & cities that support these clubs/players. The beautiful game is no longer something that the everyday Joe can afford to support (i include myself & Mrs Rocket in that statement). Football is now VERY EXPENSIVE to follow, out of the reach of most people with rent/mortgage, kids, no job/low paid job etc. As for concessions ? Who knows ? i don't want to get into that argument. The fundamental problem is that players/management/shareholders all want a big piece of the pie, & most of the people in this city can't afford a big pie. well said that Rocket! i can't even afford a bite off a nicked pie...so agreed!! ;D (BTW love the signature )
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 14, 2009 17:29:19 GMT
Oh yeah. I don't think there should be a concession as the club are going through the credit crunch just as everyone else is. ;D
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Post by fromafar07 on Jan 14, 2009 17:33:13 GMT
concessions for the unemployed ????? good god man!! If you have money to buy a ticket you can go, if you dont have money to buy a ticket, you dont go.
It really is that simple !!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2009 17:34:29 GMT
'in this current climeate.. As well as i have all the qualifacations as well but cant find work.. ' Apart from a basic grasp of......
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Post by stokie25 on Jan 14, 2009 17:35:12 GMT
concessions for the unemployed ????? good god man!! If you have money to buy a ticket you can go, if you dont have money to buy a ticket, you dont go. It really is that simple !!! **twats head into brick wall for the clown who clearly hasn't read the previous 3 pages**
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Post by starkiller on Jan 14, 2009 17:54:39 GMT
'If some people are less well off for working it is an issue with the government and not the people who are using the system.' Unless the people using the system voted for this government in the first place (and will continue to do so whilst this crazy situation exists) Yes, because of course it was very different under other governments.
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Post by 606Stokie on Jan 14, 2009 18:07:29 GMT
'in this current climeate.. As well as i have all the qualifacations as well but cant find work.. ' Apart from a basic grasp of...... Yes i struggle with English and Grammer at times
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Post by stokie25 on Jan 14, 2009 18:15:00 GMT
'in this current climeate.. As well as i have all the qualifacations as well but cant find work.. ' Apart from a basic grasp of...... Yes i struggle with English and Grammer at times well i think you do fine 606...dispraxia is a debilitating condition and i wish you well!! Nice one, squareball......arsehole
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Post by rocket88 on Jan 14, 2009 18:25:14 GMT
Blimey! This threads gone off on a tangent. The question of Unemployed v Vacancies etc.... should be addressed by Government, not football fans. I think that the problem lies with football turning into a business, rather than a sport. The problem is that players now are on FUCKING MASSIVE WAGES!!!!!! , but theres still only the same amount of money (or less) in the towns & cities that support these clubs/players. The beautiful game is no longer something that the everyday Joe can afford to support (i include myself & Mrs Rocket in that statement). Football is now VERY EXPENSIVE to follow, out of the reach of most people with rent/mortgage, kids, no job/low paid job etc. As for concessions ? Who knows ? i don't want to get into that argument. The fundamental problem is that players/management/shareholders all want a big piece of the pie, & most of the people in this city can't afford a big pie. well said that Rocket! i can't even afford a bite off a nicked pie...so agreed!! ;D (BTW love the signature ) Cheers stokie25. I'm hoping that the signature makes up for the lack of a bloody AVATAR!!!!! ;D (i'm glad that someone clocked it. ) ;D
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Post by stokie25 on Jan 14, 2009 18:43:22 GMT
pm'd ya Rocket!
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Post by trebor63 on Jan 14, 2009 18:43:44 GMT
I am unemployed at the moment but Gordon Brown gives me enough to pay £10 a week for my season ticket. ;D And no the wife and 4 kids don't go without either. P.S. I am looking for work but a job that only pays 6-£7 an hour and I would be worse off. I am looking for work but a job that only pays 6-£7 an hour and I would be worse And thats the problem! Maybe 'dole' should be payed for six monthes (as a safety net) which is what it was designed for and then stiopped. I worked as a ski guide a few years ago and returned to England with no money no house no anything! I arrived back in Crewe after being away for six monthes at 2pm and by 4.30pm I'd been offered two jobs. Both jobs were crap both through agencies and both barely paid my travel to work. But within six weeks of taking the job I was offered a full time position on £23,000 for unskilled work. Sitting at home and hoping for the best is a nice position to be in if the government keep paying for you to live but maybe there comes a time when you shouldn't have that choice!
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Post by 606Stokie on Jan 14, 2009 18:44:54 GMT
Yes i struggle with English and Grammer at times well i think you do fine 606...dispraxia is a debilitating condition and i wish you well!! Nice one, squareball......arsehole Wow someone that knows what it is lol Chears mate and An exalt for ya.. When if it comes back....
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Post by Squeekster on Jan 14, 2009 19:37:42 GMT
Theres some sanctimonious tossers on here. The original poster asked a valid question about something that Stoke used to offer. Unfortunately it provokes a load of rhetoric from fuckers who are in work and smugly like to slag those of who are less fortunate at this moment in time. Long may you continue in work gentlemen because if the financial climate catches up with you and you didnt see it coming, you too may be relegated to the growing band of dole scummers, scroungers, tossers or any other offensive term that is applied to those genuinely unfortunateenough to be out of work. Your attitude is very much akin to the modern day supporter who forgets that football wasnt always a middle class pursuit Thanks, well put. This is exactly the reason why the club could not offer discounted tickets to the unemployed as their is no way they could decide from who is unemployed voluntary or induced on them with no fault of their own. Perhaps they could come up with a voluntary scheme where you do voluntary work for the club and then in return you get discounted tickets.
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Post by stokie25 on Jan 14, 2009 19:40:07 GMT
Perhaps they could come up with a voluntary scheme where you do voluntary work for the club and then in return you get discounted tickets. Excellent idea!! or community based work within the remit of sport/exercise/recreation rewarded by such a scheme! Good call squeekster!!
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 14, 2009 19:46:47 GMT
This is exactly the reason why the club could not offer discounted tickets to the unemployed as their is no way they could decide from who is unemployed voluntary or induced on them with no fault of their own. Perhaps they could come up with a voluntary scheme where you do voluntary work for the club and then in return you get discounted tickets. You are probably quite right there mate but it doesnt alter the fact that I am sure they used to do it (and for students too) Never mind there are some other businesses that do it www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1637200.html?menu=
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 14, 2009 19:48:03 GMT
Why not have done, and give dole dossers free entry? Smeegs Do you include the 1000 just made redundant at Wedgewoods in your dole dossers?? Would like to see you suggest that to their faces rather than from behind the safety of your PC keyboard.
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Post by sammychung on Jan 14, 2009 19:52:18 GMT
At least you'll be earning that £6 or £7 an hour Agreed but I get more than that for not working so until I find a job where I make money I am happy to keep spending Gordons. ;D How is this true?
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Post by smirny72 on Jan 14, 2009 19:54:31 GMT
In this day and age of football players unfortunately expect a high wage and this is why football is so expensive. I dont condemn those who have families and dont work as they would be worse off but those who sit on their arse all day without even looking into a job no I dont think they should have concessions. How would Stoke decide who they are and who the genuine ones are. I am lucky to have a job but sadly I am probably better off financially on the dole with all the handouts. Should I have a concession too? Where would Stoke draw the line. So really it is very unlikely as football isnt a necessity although I do keep telling my work colleagues who laugh at me for going it is Im not sure if I would be more sane with or without Stoke at the moment but Im not in the loony bin yet I do feel for those who cant afford it as I would be gutted if I couldnt, but sadly that is the way football is going whilst these high paid players deamand more
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