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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2009 18:15:43 GMT
Once again, it's not his fault! It doesn't matter which players are on the pitch, it's up to the manager to motivate them properly. His own words today - once they'd scored, I couldn't see us getting back into it - show just how ill-prepared he was for anything other than a 0-0. Unbelieveable! Alan - Your a reasonable man are you seriously telling me that that Stoke side he picked shouldnt have been capable of beating Hartlepool. If you had been left out of the team week in week out you shouldnt need any motivation to get out there are prove a point. Tonge Soares Sonko Oli etc All those players have done is reinforced Pulis's view that they are now bench players and haven't worked out as he planned . Just to pick up on this point, Soares had his best game in a Stoke shirt against Spurs. Where did he end up the next game? On the bench that is motivation for you. |
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Post by anarchicalan on Jan 3, 2009 18:16:15 GMT
I can't say that listening to the general poor play made my sofa more comfortable today, so yes, the players also need a good shaking, but to SOLELY blame them when you're the person responsible for their tactic, motivation and overall team shape is beyond arrogance!
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Post by MrMagic on Jan 3, 2009 18:19:42 GMT
Pulis wasn't fcuking playing.!!!!!!!! He wasn't fcuking playing against Arsenal, Spurs or Villa either but plently of folk, including you, were ready to nominate him for a fcuking knighthood for those performances. Have to take the rough with the smooth I'm afraid. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2009 18:21:16 GMT
mumf tactically as the manager over the last few matches he has been poor that is a fact matey.
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Post by anarchicalan on Jan 3, 2009 18:22:11 GMT
Pulis wasn't fcuking playing.!!!!!!!! He wasn't fcuking playing against Arsenal, Spurs or Villa either but plently of folk, including you, were ready to nominate him for a fcuking knighthood for those performances. Have to take the rough with the smooth I'm afraid. I'll never understand rose tinted specs! |
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Post by stokeoptimist on Jan 3, 2009 18:22:18 GMT
Pulis blames the players
WOULDN'T YOU!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Del Boy on Jan 3, 2009 18:22:49 GMT
No matter what team pulis put out today we should have won, this is just another excuse for pulis haters to have there say.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2009 18:24:27 GMT
No matter what team pulis put out today we should have won, this is just another excuse for pulis haters to have there say. I am no Pulis hater but I have every right to give him shit today don't you think? |
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Post by MrMagic on Jan 3, 2009 18:24:49 GMT
Pulis blames the players WOULDN'T YOU!!!!!!!!!! No - I'd probably resign out of shame. |
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Post by anarchicalan on Jan 3, 2009 18:25:03 GMT
........ this is just another excuse for pulis haters to have there say. That's just another pathetic comment to excuse the inexcuseable. |
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Post by anarchicalan on Jan 3, 2009 18:26:08 GMT
Pulis blames the players WOULDN'T YOU!!!!!!!!!! I might, but I'd also TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR PICKING THE TEAM, THE TACTIC and for the total LACK of motivation! |
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 3, 2009 18:27:10 GMT
I blame the players...they were dross. The manager picks the team. Once they cross the white line, its in the hands of the players. Those that are on the bench week in week out should have broke their back to impress today and force the hand of the manager, especially as the transfer window is open and they know we are looking to get players in. It is their fault that they could not be arsed get out of 1st gear against a team playing 2 divisions below them, to break into the prem 1st team. All they have done is reinforce the manager's view that they aint worthy of a 1st team place. Its not as if they are well paid is it  SGS Absolute rubbish. If what you say is true then the Manger and his coaches (..ahem) should not bother turning up on matchday. The manager ALONE is responsible for the players, the players attitude, the tactics etc. To absolve blame from the manager just shows what a clueless bunch the rimmers are. |
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Post by stokelad84 on Jan 3, 2009 18:31:14 GMT
Shawcross was dropped, but with working hard in training he got his oppertunity and has now got a pretty stable place in the first team.
Tongue and Soares have not impressed whenever they have played!! Personally I think they just joined us for increased wages, they dont seem to give a toss
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Post by stokeoptimist on Jan 3, 2009 18:32:46 GMT
Well why is it that every other bloody club blames their players when they are crap!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2009 18:35:02 GMT
Shawcross was dropped, but with working hard in training he got his oppertunity and has now got a pretty stable place in the first team. Tongue and Soares have not impressed whenever they have played!! Personally I think they just joined us for increased wages, they dont seem to give a toss I thought Soares had a cracking game against Spurs and then was dropped for his efforts? |
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Post by anarchicalan on Jan 3, 2009 18:36:05 GMT
Well why is it that every other bloody club blames their players when they are crap!!!!!!! WHO GIVES A TOSS ABOUT OTHER CLUBS? This is OUR club and it's being managed by a bloke who doesn't seem to be able to motivate the players HE SIGNED. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2009 18:40:58 GMT
I think someone mentioned on another post, no matter if Soares and Tonge had an absolute blinder today the would of still been warming the dugout seats on Saturday.
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Post by sutekh on Jan 3, 2009 18:44:12 GMT
I blame the players...they were dross. The manager picks the team. Once they cross the white line, its in the hands of the players. Those that are on the bench week in week out should have broke their back to impress today and force the hand of the manager, especially as the transfer window is open and they know we are looking to get players in. It is their fault that they could not be arsed get out of 1st gear against a team playing 2 divisions below them, to break into the prem 1st team. All they have done is reinforce the manager's view that they aint worthy of a 1st team place. Its not as if they are well paid is it SGS So are you are saying that when we came back from 2 0 down against newcastle,it was all down to the players sgs. If this is the case,why do we employ a manager? |
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Post by dazthestokie69 on Jan 3, 2009 18:45:50 GMT
i think Pulis picked a decent team for today considering we had to play Pericard. They hit the nail on the head on praise and gumble. Those players should have the desire to try and keep their tops for the liverpool and its obvious some of them didnt. Not sure i can blame Pulis for that
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 3, 2009 18:53:32 GMT
I know what you're saying here Siidders, but it can't be argued that both Whelan and Shawcross fought for their places and eventually muscled their way into the first team.
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Post by lurcherman on Jan 3, 2009 18:56:34 GMT
Motivation, effort, enthusiasm. 3 things a manager shouldn't really have to instill in a player  They earn in 1 week what I earn in 12 months, imagine that, they play football for 1 year and earn as much as I do in 52 YEARS ??? ??? ??? ??? Would you need motivating looking at it that way? Would you put the effort in? Would you be enthusiastic knowing your pay check was like that? An old farmer once said to me "the less ability you've got, the more effort you need to put in"  |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 3, 2009 19:03:52 GMT
I don't know how many of you lot have actually been to the game today, but as one who did, can I point out that there is only one reason that we lost today, and it had absolutely nothing to do with a lack of effort.
Pericard apart, I can't fault the players EFFORTS. We lost due to a distinct lack of quality summed up by their winning goal. NO-ONE in our team could score a goal like that and the lack of quality is down to 1 man and 1 man only.
Step forward Mr Tony Pulis. He has bemoaned a lack of quality in our side for 6 long years now and he seems to be no closer to signing this quality at any point in the near future.
Davies is crap on the evidence of his limited appearances to date (signed surely to secure a 3 year contract for his son at another club), Sonko is barely a footballer and is so bad it is laughable, Dicko is hopelessly lacking in quality on the ball, Kitson is a lame duck, Soares is rubbish and Tonge, despite obvious ability, can't fucking run.
Add into that mix the likes of Pugh and Cresswell, not to even mention Pericard, and you begin to wonder just how much more money Pulis is likely to waste.
We lost because Hartlepool were better than us and that is soley down to the manager.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 3, 2009 19:10:01 GMT
6 long years and £34million spent in the last 18 months.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2009 19:12:37 GMT
I don't know how many of you lot have actually been to the game today, but as one who did, can I point out that there is only one reason that we lost today, and it had absolutely nothing to do with a lack of effort. Pericard apart, I can't fault the players EFFORTS. We lost due to a distinct lack of quality summed up by their winning goal. NO-ONE in our team could score a goal like that and the lack of quality is down to 1 man and 1 man only. Step forward Mr Tony Pulis. He has bemoaned a lack of quality in our side for 6 long years now and he seems to be no closer to signing this quality at any point in the near future. Davies is crap on the evidence of his limited appearances to date (signed surely to secure a 3 year contract for his son at another club), Sonko is barely a footballer and is so bad it is laughable, Dicko is hopelessly lacking in quality on the ball, Kitson is a lame duck, Soares is rubbish and Tonge, despite obvious ability, can't fucking run. Add into that mix the likes of Pugh and Cresswell, not to even mention Pericard, and you begin to wonder just how much more money Pulis is likely to waste. We lost because Hartlepool were better than us and that is soley down to the manager. dj I think you are way off the mark there. Although I was not there today to say that Kitson, Lawrence, Whelan etc are not quality is a little bit naughty? |
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Post by lurcherman on Jan 3, 2009 19:20:15 GMT
I think we had enough quality on the pitch today to see off H'pool whether we had the desire is another matter.... just my opinion  |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 3, 2009 19:24:36 GMT
Not naughty at all, as it is Pulis who is bemoaning the fact that we are lacking in quality in key areas. He has done it for 6 years mate.
Lawrence is quality, but debatable whether he is premiership quality. Kitson doesn't want to play for us and on the evidence of his performances for us, is most definately NOT quality, and Whelan is nowhere near good enough to be the creative influence that our team badly needs in the middle of the pitch.
Abdoulaye Faye is quality...Sorenson is quality...Fuller is quality...Shawcross is very good and will be quality...Higgy is very good, but not what I would describe as a quality left back. The rest are very very average, particularly at Premiership level.
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Post by altair on Jan 3, 2009 19:28:29 GMT
Come on Al, be fair. Tone got us into the Premiership and is, quite reasonably, completely immune from any criticism whatsoever. How pleasing it is to watch our beloved manager pissing the biggest windfall in our history up his defensive wall. Well done today TP. For he's a jolly good fellow, for he's................................................
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 3, 2009 19:32:49 GMT
Seymour...you touch on something that is worrying me also.
To be honest I expected us to be relegated and I said as much at the start of the season when everyone panicked about a lack of signings. At the time, I said that this season was crucial in that it was all about using the premiership money to build our football club.
Abdoulaye and Sorenson apart, are we really doing that. I may be over-reacting but at the moment, if you take those two out of our team, I am not sure that our squad would get us promotion again and that is a major worry.
If we go down, we go down. I certainly won't miss the away games, but I would hope we would be much stronger than we were back in May 2008. At present, I am struggling to see how we are utilising this platform and really don't think that we have progressed too much at all.
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Post by Gunslinger on Jan 3, 2009 19:58:01 GMT
I haven't heard the interview, but blaming the players is way off and could (notice: COULD) indicate that he's unable to get the best out of the players. Otherwise this is easy:
a) It's his players
b) He select the players for the match
c) He decides the tactics
d) He is responsible for getting the players to respond to this
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 3, 2009 20:02:29 GMT
Gunslinger he didn't actually say "I blame the players"
but he did say:
"once they'd scored, I couldn't see us getting back into it"
I guess it's a matter of interpretation.
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