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Post by anarchicalan on Jan 3, 2009 16:05:38 GMT
Once again, it's not his fault!
It doesn't matter which players are on the pitch, it's up to the manager to motivate them properly.
His own words today - once they'd scored, I couldn't see us getting back into it - show just how ill-prepared he was for anything other than a 0-0.
Unbelieveable!
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Post by Paddypotter on Jan 3, 2009 16:07:19 GMT
Funny, once Perican't put on his Stoke shirt I couldn't see us scoring.
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Post by chebseystokie99 on Jan 3, 2009 16:08:59 GMT
Funny, once Perican't put on his Stoke shirt I couldn't see us scoring. ;D
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Post by eriksson74 on Jan 3, 2009 16:10:13 GMT
Thats fucking scary considering they had only kept 3 clean sheets all season, and we had circa £10m plus of (money spunked up the wall) talent on the pitch Hail the messiah, the untouchable baseball capped wonder
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Jan 3, 2009 16:10:22 GMT
It's never Pulis's fault. Typical
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2009 16:11:42 GMT
He would!
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Jan 3, 2009 16:12:18 GMT
Once again, it's not his fault! It doesn't matter which players are on the pitch, it's up to the manager to motivate them properly. His own words today - once they'd scored, I couldn't see us getting back into it - show just how ill-prepared he was for anything other than a 0-0. Unbelieveable! Alan - Your a reasonable man are you seriously telling me that that Stoke side he picked shouldnt have been capable of beating Hartlepool. If you had been left out of the team week in week out you shouldnt need any motivation to get out there are prove a point. Tonge Soares Sonko Oli etc All those players have done is reinforced Pulis's view that they are now bench players and haven't worked out as he planned .
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Post by arniepieinthesky on Jan 3, 2009 16:12:28 GMT
I blame the players...they were dross.
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Post by anarchicalan on Jan 3, 2009 16:12:43 GMT
I have no trust in ANYONE - no matter what his/her job is - who won't take responsibility for their words and actions; nor can I respect such a person.
I've heard from people I do trust and respect that he's a decent and likeable chap. Perhaps that's the problem and he needs to be less pleasant and more robust with his team talks.
I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that he appears to have none at present.
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Post by anarchicalan on Jan 3, 2009 16:15:10 GMT
JSS - you make an excellent point, but shouldn't that also be backed up with encouragement from the manager that if they perform well, they have a GENUINE chance to keep thier places?
Do you honestly believe that he'll play Tonge or Soares ahead of Cresswell if the opportunity arises?
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Jan 3, 2009 16:16:05 GMT
I blame the players...they were dross. The manager picks the team. Once they cross the white line, its in the hands of the players. Those that are on the bench week in week out should have broke their back to impress today and force the hand of the manager, especially as the transfer window is open and they know we are looking to get players in. It is their fault that they could not be arsed get out of 1st gear against a team playing 2 divisions below them, to break into the prem 1st team. All they have done is reinforce the manager's view that they aint worthy of a 1st team place. Its not as if they are well paid is it SGS
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Jan 3, 2009 16:19:16 GMT
JSS - you make an excellent point, but shouldn't that also be backed up with encouragement from the manager that if they perform well, they have a GENUINE chance to keep thier places? Do you honestly believe that he'll play Tonge or Soares ahead of Cresswell if the opportunity arises? Probably not but they haven't done anything to change his mind have they. If Tongey had set up a couple of goals today that might be different but unfortunately not
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Jan 3, 2009 16:20:00 GMT
Its the tactics that are at fault, or lack of tactics thats down to Pulis
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Post by GrandStokie on Jan 3, 2009 16:21:57 GMT
What a defeatest attitude. What chance have we got when our own manager has that opinion against teams like Hartlepool.
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Post by Dazzlerscfc on Jan 3, 2009 16:23:07 GMT
Lets all blame Pericard!
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Post by anarchicalan on Jan 3, 2009 16:25:08 GMT
JSS - that's also true. However, I reckon Tonge could have scored a hat trick today and still been on the bench next game. Same with Soares.
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Post by stokecity4life on Jan 3, 2009 16:27:48 GMT
Combination of the players and the tactics.
Delap up front was a mistake, should have had 5 in midfield and bossed it. Passed it through them and to the wings. Get as many crosses in as possible, wingers cutting inside etc.
But no....
I`d say 70% players at fault 30% tactics as even with hoofball we still should be beating Hartlepool - 15th in League 1 - 4-1 defeat to Crewe last week.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Jan 3, 2009 16:28:44 GMT
JSS - that's also true. However, I reckon Tonge could have scored a hat trick today and still been on the bench next game. Same with Soares. I think we can draw a comparison between Pulis and David Moyes at Everton both play the same way and have the same attitude to players. They both are very reluctant to change the team and stick with what they know. Moyes did not initially want to throw Rooney into his side saying he was too young etc but the player was so good eventually he was forced to play him. Our lads out of the team are just not doing enough either in training or reserve games simple as.
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Post by anarchicalan on Jan 3, 2009 16:37:04 GMT
JSS - to compare Moyes with Pulis is like comparing a 5-course meal with a bag of soggy crisps in my honest opinion.
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Post by anarchicalan on Jan 3, 2009 17:57:12 GMT
Just heard it again on P & G ...... it doesn't sound any better this time round!
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Post by stokeoptimist on Jan 3, 2009 17:59:04 GMT
I blame Pericant
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Post by Nick0980 on Jan 3, 2009 18:01:14 GMT
i blame one dimensional Pulis the useless taff
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Post by anarchicalan on Jan 3, 2009 18:01:52 GMT
stokeoptimist - the main issue here is that Pulis TAKES NO RESPONSIBILITY!
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Post by mumf14 on Jan 3, 2009 18:03:36 GMT
Pulis wasn't fcuking playing.!!!!!!!!
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Post by anarchicalan on Jan 3, 2009 18:06:14 GMT
THE MORE THE MONKEY CLIMBS THE TREE ...THE MORE IT SHOWS IT'S ARSE.!!
Never a truer word spoken mumf. How apt.
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Post by sweetandinnocent on Jan 3, 2009 18:08:25 GMT
maybe even the players beleived we wouldnt win with vince up front.
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Post by anarchicalan on Jan 3, 2009 18:09:44 GMT
The manager has to convinve them otherwise FBS. It's what HE'S PAID to do.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 3, 2009 18:10:18 GMT
I can't agree with that chap.
Whelan came in, took his chance, and kept his place.
Pulis paid big money for Olofinjana, eventually realised he was crap and then wasn't to stubborn to drop him.
I think Pulis is very much to blame today, but I also think that the likes of Tonge and Soares didn't do themselves any favours today.
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 3, 2009 18:11:12 GMT
The players are clearly to blame but serious questions must now be asked about the quality of those signings.
I am convinced that Tonge and Soares were signed to be Championship players should we get relegated. Seyi I am not so sure but he isnt cutting it. Hes cumbersome and lacking in quality for a decent midfielder.
Kitson I think could go one way or the other. Hes the sort of player that would start scoring again at another club and maybe we need to let him go
Finally Pericard must go. Hes had his chance and done fuck all. Similarly Cressy should never play left wing again.
I have been supportive of Tone so far but that is a damaging defeat. No pissing about we need 4 new faces and a bit of a clear out and we need it now not at the end of January.
Over to you Tony
As for Whelan. Not good enough Im afraid. He should be shining in games like today.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 3, 2009 18:12:29 GMT
Apart from the clear defensive lapses that we have seen too many of this year, I think we have to accept that the players all operate within the tight parameters set out for them by the manager. TP's teams play with more clearly defined roles and patterns of play then any others that I have regularly watched. Those roles and patterns are consistent from game to game, they do work sometimes and the manager gets praise then. When they fail is right to blame the players exclusively ?
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