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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Dec 27, 2008 14:28:35 GMT
I asked the two fellas in front of me why they were applauding him and they had no response. The ref had no option but to send him off for what was a stupid tackle knowing he was on a yellow card. Ronaldo or not there was no way he was going to get away with such a pointless and needless challenge that in the end cost us dearly. We were doing superbly and all our hardwork was undone by that!!! Was so pissed off with what he did after he was handling Ronaldo well and to lunge in like that when he was going nowhere was idiotic. The ref was dire I agree but he had no choice- I don't get this applauding players who get sent off needlessly and let everybody down. We were playing so well at the time and in danger of perhaps nicking it- just saw it again on MOTD and have no idea what he was thinking. Let us down today I thought in what could have been a so different story. No excuse for me I applauded him because he had an excellent game and frustrated the spotty one. I also applauded him because he would have stayed on the pitch if the aforementioned spotty one had been sent off for stamping on his ankles 5 minutes earlier. Good honest lad, deserved the applause he got...us Stokies have always admired that.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 27, 2008 14:32:24 GMT
I applauded him because he lasted 75 minutes longer than I would've if I'd been stood next to the horrible, greasy, useless tampon.
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Dec 27, 2008 14:34:55 GMT
Fact was Ronaldo wasn't sent off so not an excuse. I agree he had an excellent game but threw all that out of the window. Would have been a huge morale boosting point, instead we lose and are in the bottom 3 as the result of act of stupidity.
Am very disappointed as the team had played so well and he cost us. The more I see it the more frustrating it is. He didn't deserve any applause IMHO because after what he did there was only going to be one outcome. Exactly what did him hacking down Ronaldo achieve? A point we desperately needed- if you think he deserves to be clapped for that then hey- your choice. Personally if I was Pulis I would have kicked him up the arse.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Dec 27, 2008 14:38:32 GMT
Fact was Ronaldo wasn't sent off so not an excuse. I agree he had an excellent game but threw all that out of the window. Would have been a huge morale boosting point, instead we lose and are in the bottom 3 as the result of act of stupidity. Am very disappointed as the team had played so well and he cost us. The more I see it the more frustrating it is. He didn't deserve any applause IMHO because after what he did there was only going to be one outcome. Exactly what did him hacking down Ronaldo achieve? A point we desperately needed- if you think he deserves to be clapped for that then hey- your choice. Personally if I was Pulis I would have kicked him up the arse. So you don't think the spontaneous applause for a lad who was conned and cheated into a red card by a tosser who shouldn't have been on the pitch was justified? Especially after playing so well? Fact is, spotty should have been sent off, so it was an excuse for spontaneous applause from the crowd.
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Post by pretzel on Dec 27, 2008 14:44:53 GMT
So you think swearing at the top of your voice, and aiming that swearing directly at another human being, in front of children, is acceptable do you? Grow the fuck up. Yes, ironic that you should swear at another Stokie (but not Ronaldo who's despised by most of us here) and in front of women and youngsters who read this board too? Hmmm Anyway, I didn't applaud Wilko but would gladly shake his hand for the performance he had put in prior to that. It's a shame that we can apportion so much of the blame onto young Wilko's shoulders. OK, he's not a kid but which one of us here wouldn't have been caught up to some extent in the passion of the moment.. especially with so many of us baying for him to get stuck in. It's a big stage and one on which so many of our players are inexperienced. I only wish a certain few other players, like Pericard, could rise to the occasion with such tenacity. Who else remembers Dennis Smiths early games in the top flight? Do they remember him being flawless and not giving away silly fouls? I'm not saying that Wilko is destined to be a Stoke legend but hey, who's to say he couldn't be? I'd rather have Wilko as cover than some other tired journeyman for 2million squid.
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Dec 27, 2008 14:50:14 GMT
'for a lad who was conned and cheated into a red card by a tosser who shouldn't have been on the pitch was justified'
He wasn't conned and cheated at all- he made the challenge out of sheer stupidity and there was only going to be one outcome. Sure Ronaldo got away with ficking a leg at him but if you think he was right to flatten him is more important than us getting valuable points is justified then hey
Remind me of that if we lose out on Premiership survival by a point come May
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Dec 27, 2008 14:53:06 GMT
'for a lad who was conned and cheated into a red card by a tosser who shouldn't have been on the pitch was justified' He wasn't conned and cheated at all- he made the challenge out of sheer stupidity and there was only going to be one outcome. Sure Ronaldo got away with ficking a leg at him but if you think he was right to flatten him is more important than us getting valuable points is justified then hey Remind me of that if we lose out on Premiership survival by a point come May Of course he was conned, which game were you watching? I'm not justifying his actions mate but understand how it happened. "Flicking a leg"? Are you sure you were at the same game? ???
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Dec 27, 2008 14:54:15 GMT
So you think swearing at the top of your voice, and aiming that swearing directly at another human being, in front of children, is acceptable do you? Grow the fuck up. Yes, ironic that you should swear at another Stokie (but not Ronaldo who's despised by most of us here) and in front of women and youngsters who read this board too? Hmmm Anyway, I didn't applaud Wilko but would gladly shake his hand for the performance he had put in prior to that. It's a shame that we can apportion so much of the blame onto young Wilko's shoulders. OK, he's not a kid but which one of us here wouldn't have been caught up to some extent in the passion of the moment.. especially with so many of us baying for him to get stuck in. It's a big stage and one on which so many of our players are inexperienced. I only wish a certain few other players, like Pericard, could rise to the occasion with such tenacity. Who else remembers Dennis Smiths early games in the top flight? Do they remember him being flawless and not giving away silly fouls? I'm not saying that Wilko is destined to be a Stoke legend but hey, who's to say he couldn't be? I'd rather have Wilko as cover than some other tired journeyman for 2million squid. Great post, particularly your Denis Smith point.
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Post by trebor63 on Dec 27, 2008 15:17:44 GMT
Why can't football become a gentleman's sport? What's wrong with wanting to improve something? Do you enjoy aggression or something? Do you enjoy behaving like a tribesman? Do you enjoy abusing other human beings? Strange little boy. So you think the atmospheres at most grounds is improved from the seventies? I don't I think it used to be a big part of the match day experience but is getting less and less to the point of not existing at many grounds. Sadly people like you appear to be (boring self rightious sterile souless and politically correct) are winning the day and we live in a world where children daren't play cos they might hurt themselves adults can't do anything remotely outside the normal constraints of society because you feel you are far too advanced and superior for such stuff. Yet a super human really intelligent (yes I am taking the piss I actually mean thick little retard) like you come on here useing words like cunt and fuck in making your rather simple points and this is away from the passion of the sporting arena where most people ( but NOT you) argue rationally without constant swearing! I think you (Davethe Rave) need to look in the mirror and grow up and maybe in the right situation let yourself go a bit! You seem to be living your life back to front. Football is a great escape from real life it isn't real life! You try and make out your an idealistic little quiet angel at matches and yet you behave like a foul mouthed gobby little chav on here! Get a grip
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Post by RAF on Dec 27, 2008 15:56:10 GMT
JR merry crimbo and fuck off!
H
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Dec 27, 2008 16:19:31 GMT
No Merry Xmas to you - just f@ck off, H ;D
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Post by Stokie-Jiggz on Dec 27, 2008 16:21:03 GMT
he wouldn;t of been sent off if once again that cheating lil portugese cheat had been sent of earlier on for a dangerous and once again dirty little stamp becasue he was being pushed around. GOARN WILKO!
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Dec 27, 2008 16:25:34 GMT
Of course he wouldn't but that's not the point. Ronaldo WAS still on the pitch and he reacted stupidly.
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Post by cousindupree on Dec 27, 2008 16:28:10 GMT
He got 2 soft yellow cards and if he play regularly and I hope he doesn't he will get many more....not smart enough for the Prem. As for Dennis Smith, who is rightly a hero and an inspiration in the 70's......his aggressive game would undo him at the top level, just cant get away with some of the tackles Denis made anymore the game has changed
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Post by Dave the Rave on Dec 27, 2008 16:33:54 GMT
Why can't football become a gentleman's sport? What's wrong with wanting to improve something? Do you enjoy aggression or something? Do you enjoy behaving like a tribesman? Do you enjoy abusing other human beings? Strange little boy. So you think the atmospheres at most grounds is improved from the seventies? I don't I think it used to be a big part of the match day experience but is getting less and less to the point of not existing at many grounds. Sadly people like you appear to be (boring self rightious sterile souless and politically correct) are winning the day and we live in a world where children daren't play cos they might hurt themselves adults can't do anything remotely outside the normal constraints of society because you feel you are far too advanced and superior for such stuff. Yet a super human really intelligent (yes I am taking the piss I actually mean thick little retard) like you come on here useing words like **** and fuck in making your rather simple points and this is away from the passion of the sporting arena where most people ( but NOT you) argue rationally without constant swearing! I think you (Davethe Rave) need to look in the mirror and grow up and maybe in the right situation let yourself go a bit! You seem to be living your life back to front. Football is a great escape from real life it isn't real life! You try and make out your an idealistic little quiet angel at matches and yet you behave like a foul mouthed gobby little chav on here! Get a grip Unsurprisingly you haven't answered a single one of the questions posed to you. Perhaps it slightly embarrasses you to admit that the answers would be Yes, Yes and Yes. There is nothing gobby in what I am saying. Indeed the gobby people appear to be telling me to go and follow a different sport, because I don't approve of anti-social behaviour. The reason you attack people like me, who suggest cleaning up the game, with such pathetic come backs as: PC Brigade Prawn Sandwich Eater (The most mind boggling insult ever) is because you don't want to admit that the reasons you enjoy football have nothing to do with football at all. You use Stoke City FC as an excuse to abuse other people, to shout obscenities, get aggressive and angry, for a purpose I just can't fathom. Perhaps your life outside of football is so boring, that you feel the need to behave in such a manner. To 'chant' wanker at someone constantly, at such volume, in front of children, is far different than using the occasional 'fuck' on this message board. Indeed, none of the swearing in my posts is aimed directly at anyone as an insult. The fact that you can defend your actions in front of children speaks volumes about you. It's indefensible. Football could be a gentleman's sport. Many of us would welcome mixed seating arrangements, where we could talk about the game to opposing fans, or even neutrals who may have attended the game. Football came long before Stoke City FC or Man Utd ever did. Some of you forget that. Football as a whole is far more important than one football team. You moan about petulant, overpaid, cocky players, yet it is people who chant this kind of nonsense who fuel them. Notice the word 'Chant' - Why grown men feel the need to 'Chant' at anyone is beyond me, it's so very childish, and strikes me as a form of bullying actually. The fact that you can't get through a week without abusing someone is a worrying sign about the intelligence of the average football fan. As you put it yourself though, it's a rough game for common people. Seems it will stay that way, meaning violence will never be eradicated from the game unfortunately. The game you claim to love. You don't love the game at all, you love the hostile, aggressive nature it brings out in you. The excuse that Football isn't real life is lame to say the least. What exactly isn't real about it? It's not a panto, or a computer game. Those people being abused are real people, with real families just like us, as are those innocents caught up in football related violence, also partly fueled by tribal chants and gestures between sets of so called 'fans'. If you can't see that, you never will.
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Post by tony harrison on Dec 27, 2008 16:42:31 GMT
Thought he had a good game but deserved to be sent off for two yellow cards.
The fact that Rooney wasn't for his behaviour on the pitch right in front of the linesman and Ronaldo wasn't for his retaliation on Wilko earlier is a disgrace.
He only did what a lot of Stokies wanted him to do if you're honest about it, only problem was that Ronaldo could carry on playing afterwards.
Deliberately going in hard on players to cause injury is not right but neither is diving about and trying to get people booked.
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Post by trebor63 on Dec 27, 2008 16:44:12 GMT
Dave the Rave your ignorance knows no bounds!
I feel slightly bad for having a pop at someone who obviously hasn't got the intellect to understand anything too complicated.
So with that in mind I'll say yes you're right Dave the Rave shouting at football matches is wrong as is showing passion and desire in a sporting contest.
Also yes your intellectual arguements including the c and f words are really well thought out. Well done sonny now run along
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Post by Dave the Rave on Dec 27, 2008 16:46:08 GMT
Dave the Rave your ignorance knows no bounds! I feel slightly bad for having a pop at someone who obviously hasn't got the intellect to understand anything too complicated. So with that in mind I'll say yes you're right Dave the Rave shouting at football matches is wrong as is showing passion and desire in a sporting contest. Also yes your intellectual arguements including the c and f words are really well thought out. Well done sonny now run along If anything shows lack of intellect, it's that response.
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Dec 27, 2008 16:46:24 GMT
You have to trust players at some stage to act professionally, he's 24 years old ffs. And besides Fuller could easily have had about 5 yellow cards for moaning and diving, I suppose he should be dragged off every game as well? And I lost count of the number of times Vidic fouled Fuller.
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Post by fazza90 on Dec 27, 2008 18:07:14 GMT
Dave the Rave - Are you joking?
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Post by salopstick on Dec 27, 2008 18:41:54 GMT
i was sat in south stand getting ripped by shit fans, so when he went of i started shouting well done wilko and clapping to piss them off
yes he was naive but he still played well
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Post by bertieb on Dec 27, 2008 18:51:01 GMT
Dave the rave, love your two quotes "Many of us would welcome mixed seating arrangements, where we could talk about the game to opposing fans, or even neutrals who may have attended the game."
"Football came long before Stoke City FC or Man Utd ever did. Some of you forget that". The first one, how boring does that quote make going to the match sound. I do'nt mind talking to opposing fans or neutrals, but not when I am supporting my team with like minded people.
Second one how can football have come long before there were any teams to play it surely it came at about the same time as the people who invented it? ;D
I go to the footy expecting Stoke to give their all on our behalf, in return I feel it is my duty to give them my best support and to me that means making the atmosphere as hostile and intimidating to the opposing team as I possibly can. If that means singling out players to put them off their game so be it, some players can take it and some can't and if it can give us an advantage great.
Personally if I was on their money playing a game I love opposing fans could shout what they wanted at me. The trouble is people in the Premier League have forgotten what supporting your team used to be like, every ground in the country used to be like the Brit is but it has become a sanitised entertainment industry and it is up to the likes of us to to make sure the 'real' side of being a totally commited supporter does'nt die out.
RS
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Dec 27, 2008 19:19:01 GMT
Why can't football become a gentleman's sport? Because it would then be rugby union and consequently very very boring, and you'd have to be very smug to be allowed to watch it.
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Post by trebor63 on Dec 27, 2008 19:24:08 GMT
Dave the rave, love your two quotes "Many of us would welcome mixed seating arrangements, where we could talk about the game to opposing fans, or even neutrals who may have attended the game." "Football came long before Stoke City FC or Man Utd ever did. Some of you forget that". The first one, how boring does that quote make going to the match sound. I do'nt mind talking to opposing fans or neutrals, but not when I am supporting my team with like minded people. Second one how can football have come long before there were any teams to play it surely it came at about the same time as the people who invented it? ;D I go to the footy expecting Stoke to give their all on our behalf, in return I feel it is my duty to give them my best support and to me that means making the atmosphere as hostile and intimidating to the opposing team as I possibly can. If that means singling out players to put them off their game so be it, some players can take it and some can't and if it can give us an advantage great. Personally if I was on their money playing a game I love opposing fans could shout what they wanted at me. The trouble is people in the Premier League have forgotten what supprting your team used to be like, every ground in the country used to be like the Brit is but it has become a sanitised entertainment industry and it is up to the likes of us to to make sure the 'real' side of being a totally commited supporter does'nt die out. RS Bertieb you speak sense and at this moment in time the very great majority of people would agree with you. Unfortunately Dave the Rave won't understand what you mean because he can't appear to understand the difference between a night at the football and a night at the opera! Lets hope Dave the Rave hasn't gone to the pantomime tonight he'll be leaving in floods of tears cos everyone was booing certain characters and destroying the element of surprise by shouting 'behind you' every few seconds! So far as d_the_r is concerned I think the phrase 'don't bother knocking when nobody is at home' is quite apt!
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Post by rambo61 on Dec 27, 2008 19:39:28 GMT
Dave the Rave - Are you joking? Unfortunately,I don,t think he is!! Obviously taking his school work on political correctness far too seriously!!
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Post by falstaff on Dec 28, 2008 9:02:54 GMT
Happy Christmas JR and here's to some bright, new sparkly 3 points in the New Year!
Eye, massively disappointed with the Man U game. However, whilst Wilkinson got it massively wrong on Satdee with Ronaldo, Pulis got it massively wrong against Blackburn. The team that started against Man U should have been the one that started against Blackburn - and for me that is the first time Pulis has got it wrong this season. Nevertheless, today is a chance to put it right, so let's see we get on.
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Post by Scanner on Dec 28, 2008 10:00:42 GMT
Dave the Rave - nice wind up mate, no-one in their right mind could possible come up with that crap you've written
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Post by arniepieinthesky on Dec 28, 2008 12:41:41 GMT
Played well, but all that goes up the sithouse when you do something like that, shit for fucking brains...aint good enough.
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Post by th05 on Dec 28, 2008 13:38:20 GMT
Had a good game. If I were him I would have lost my rag far before marking that wanker.
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