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Post by slangking on Dec 27, 2008 11:12:45 GMT
Get over it ffs, christ almighty.
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Post by Bick on Dec 27, 2008 11:13:33 GMT
I was sick as a parrot to hear such warm applause. Wilko was going in to hurt him, and as a professional footballer, it is disgusting.
Wilko had the best of Ronaldo the whole match and then his inexperience really showed. Both were yellows! Despite what Pulis said. I love to see players going in hard (but fair) but Wilko can't keep doing it like he did in this league, the players are to good.
He thinks he is a hero, clapping as he went off. He should have felt sick, he let Pulis Down, the team down and us down.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 27, 2008 11:36:38 GMT
"both were yellows". How come Tevez wasn't booked for his 5 hacks at Amdy Faye in a near identical incident second half?
The first booking was very harsh, the second was stupid.
As for Dave the raves protestation on this post, we as football supporters generally, and Stoke City supporters specifically, are duty bound to make our ground as hostile as possible for every game that we play. We need that as much as anything else and I applaud anyone and everyone who made the day as daunting as possible for anyone wearing a Manure shirt.
The bottle incident was ludicrous and crossed the boundaries, but apart from that the support was magnificent.
Ronaldo was abused and rightly so, as was Rooney, as was Neville. However, their one class act on the pitch (personally and professionally) in Paul Scholes received no abuse at all and was very politely applauded by our very boisterous block 30 paddock boys at the end of the game.
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Post by Bick on Dec 27, 2008 11:41:41 GMT
Davejohnno1, i agree that Stoke did npt get the run with the ref and there were countless tackles that we should have had fouls, particularly on Fuller. However, Wilko's first yellow, it was a bit soft, but he hacked at him from behind and if it was the other way around, or in any other match, it would have been a yellow every time.
I agree that scholes was a gent, but I thought that O'Shea was, but when he came to take throws, he got a lot of noise against him!
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Dec 27, 2008 11:43:18 GMT
My applause for him at the time was spontaneous, and I admit was based on the assumption at the time that, given that it was Ronaldo who was the opposition player involved, the ref had been conned by the cheating git's play-acting again. We don't have the benefit of replays, and having now seen the incident on MOTD it is clear that Wilko was silly, but at the time I didn't know that.
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Post by GazMcNicol on Dec 27, 2008 11:46:01 GMT
we did make it hostile but respect was also shown to those that deserved it. Even Va Der Saar got clapped as he ran out for the second half! Nobody booed Scholes, cos he keeps his head down and gets on with it, the total opposite to Ronaldo, who makes a 3 course meal of everything. Everybody acknowledges he is a great player, but not many respect him because of his 'other' actions.
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 27, 2008 11:51:59 GMT
The applause from the fans was understandable. The lad had done good up until the stupid tackle. His error was responding to the applause. Had he not done so, it would have shown that he knew he had been a fool. As it is, he probably thinks he was part right. Which we all know he was not.
OS.
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Post by fradleyhomes on Dec 27, 2008 11:54:09 GMT
Wilko was magnificent yesterday, I actually know wilko and he loves Stoke City and the fans, he got a standing ovation because he played well, he was applauding to say thanks.
He probably knows he shouldn't of done the tackle but to have a go at a Local lad who loves the club is out of order
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Post by effloresce on Dec 27, 2008 12:01:50 GMT
I really hope Wilko is feeling like shit today, he fucking should.
He played great but to go in like that just because it's Ronaldo ... he was probably looking for a hero's response from the knuckle-dragging fans.
He really let the team down.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2008 12:04:40 GMT
I was sick as a parrot to hear such warm applause. Wilko was going in to hurt him, and as a professional footballer, it is disgusting. Wilko had the best of Ronaldo the whole match and then his inexperience really showed. Both were yellows! Despite what Pulis said. I love to see players going in hard (but fair) but Wilko can't keep doing it like he did in this league, the players are to good. He thinks he is a hero, clapping as he went off. He should have felt sick, he let Pulis Down, the team down and us down. I clapped wilko. Not for getting sent off or for the stupid tackle as it screwed us in the end. I clapped him because I thought that up to that point he had had a decent game.
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Post by effloresce on Dec 27, 2008 12:06:20 GMT
Yeah and he did. But I really really hope he doesn't think he's a hero for getting that round of applause.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 27, 2008 12:42:12 GMT
The moronic berating of Ronaldo all game only served to make Wilko more determined to try and 'snap' him. Wilko is clearly a thick cunt, and decided to try and become a 'hero' in the eyes of the knuckledraggers in the crowd, by smashing through Ronaldo at every opportunity. Ultimately, Stoke paid the price, and that loss of a point could send us down. I'm all for 'songs' which support your own team, but these tribal, neanderlithic, braindead, aggressive 'songs', have no place in football. They only serve to create tension and bad feeling. The fact that children sit in a stadium whilst thousands of so called grown adults chant 'Wanker' at the top of their voices is an embarassment to Stoke City FC. Football for some people is just an excuse to behave like cavemen. It's pathetic. I couldn't agree more, these thick tossers actually think that by shouting something as moronic as 'wanker' is going to make the player play worse. Ronaldo didn't have his best game probably because he was jet-lagged, but the ironic thing is he actually still won them the game by inviting Wilkinson to make such a stupid challenge. He knew exactly what he was doing, he was probably thinking 'if this right back is half a moronic as his fans he'll probably come flying in from behind, which will nicely take all the pressure off us, and we will probably go on to win against 10 men (all in portuguese of course!) and 'half a brain cell' Wilko duly obliged, and then amazingly got applauded off for doing it. that my friends is why they are where they are and we are where we are.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Dec 27, 2008 13:17:12 GMT
Wilco has been poor on his previous appearances. Yesterday he played well - except that the first booking was silly on his part and the second booking stupid. It looks as though he does respond to the crowds baying and the same nitwits applauding him for throwing the game - thats how he will see it
Hopefully TP, who saw it how it was - thick, will have smacked him round the head to show him the error of his ways
The tackle was almost as bad as Sonko's and it now seems likely that we won't see much more of either player
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Post by pulisatemyhamster on Dec 27, 2008 13:27:20 GMT
should have been subbed, 27,000 people could see what was happening but pulis could'nt. find it strange that pulis thought wilko was good enough to start against manu but not good enough to start against blackburn - instead splitting up our best defensive partnership, playing a centre half at right back and playing that liability sonko.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Dec 27, 2008 13:32:50 GMT
He played Wilco because he was running out of options
After Sonko proved he isn't good enough Stoke had obviously coached Wilco to do a job which he almost did well - untill his mental lapse which like Sonko's will cost him
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Post by stonestokie! on Dec 27, 2008 13:34:48 GMT
I asked the two fellas in front of me why they were applauding him and they had no response. The ref had no option but to send him off for what was a stupid tackle knowing he was on a yellow card. Ronaldo or not there was no way he was going to get away with such a pointless and needless challenge that in the end cost us dearly. We were doing superbly and all our hardwork was undone by that!!! Was so pissed off with what he did after he was handling Ronaldo well and to lunge in like that when he was going nowhere was idiotic. The ref was dire I agree but he had no choice- I don't get this applauding players who get sent off needlessly and let everybody down. We were playing so well at the time and in danger of perhaps nicking it- just saw it again on MOTD and have no idea what he was thinking. Let us down today I thought in what could have been a so different story. No excuse for me before he snapped ronaldo (which i still thought was good) he had an excellent game so that's why. and i think everyone hoped he'd nail ronaldo, which resulted in him being sent off but still ronaldo was getting fu**ed off which is always funny to see, but he knew what he was doing you could so on motd that he went down, got to his knees', waited for the red card to come out, then back up on his feet the little tw*t
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Dec 27, 2008 13:36:43 GMT
Not out of order at all- he let us down end of. If the ref had let Tevez off etc is completely irrelevant. Wilkinson was on a yellow and then does a completely idiotic thing like that and lets the whole team down and all our hard work goes out of the window. It annoys me more that he was playing well and then does something so stupid when we were well on the way to getting a point. I'm sure he's gutted about it but doesn't change what he did.
As for the atmosphere I thought it was superb- a few spotty kids tried to sing the Munich song but a handful out ot 27 odd thousand with single figure IQs I'm not concerned about.
Really disappointed and watching it again makes it worse. Stoke fan, friend or what- no doubt Wilkinson cost us what would have been a magnificent result.
' 27,000 people could see what was happening but pulis could'nt. find it ' Nonsense- how can you blame Pulis for him making such a ridiculous challenge?
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Post by pulisatemyhamster on Dec 27, 2008 13:38:03 GMT
He played Wilco because he was running out of options After Sonko proved he isn't good enough Stoke had obviously coached Wilco to do a job which he almost did well - untill his mental lapse which like Sonko's will cost him agree he was having a good game yesterday, but the options yesterday were the same as at blackburn.
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Post by AlliG on Dec 27, 2008 13:38:51 GMT
spitthedog posted "that my friends is why they are where they are and we are where we are" I have read some crap on here over the years, but that just about takes the biscuit. So by your argument, if we are all nice to Mr Ronaldo & Mr Rooney, applaud them politely and remember to raise our little fingers whilst drinking our half time cup of tea with our cucumber sandwiches, Stoke City Football Club will become Champions of England, Europe and the World? Okay, I'll have a pint of whatever you are on.
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Post by Davef on Dec 27, 2008 13:41:21 GMT
You can't blame TP for Wilko making the challenge, but there were plenty of people around us who made the comment that the referee had lost the plot and that we were going to get a man sent off.
We all know what kind of character Wilko is and as soon as Ronaldo's stamping incident went unpunished by the referee you had a bad feeling that he was going to lose his head.
I'd like to think the thought crossed our manager's mind too, but I'm not so sure.
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Post by slangking on Dec 27, 2008 13:44:00 GMT
You have to trust players at some stage to act professionally, he's 24 years old ffs. And besides Fuller could easily have had about 5 yellow cards for moaning and diving, I suppose he should be dragged off every game as well?
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Post by meatspinner on Dec 27, 2008 13:44:22 GMT
appluded him cus he had a good game, apart from a few stupis challenges, wasnt afraid to go in for challenges like to many stpoke players are
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Dec 27, 2008 13:46:53 GMT
Thought Fuller was going to go which would have been hard as he was booked for protesting a poor decision after Rooney had verbally abused the officials twice. Made the same comment during the game re a possible red which made Wilkinson's challenge even more ludicrous. Rather that point the finger at TP, surely the player himself was aware of what was going on around him and made it even more idiotic in my book
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Post by Davef on Dec 27, 2008 13:47:00 GMT
It's not entirely about trusting players though is it when you've got a weak referee flashing cards around like confetti and allowing himself to be influenced by some of the biggest names in English football.
How many times as Ferguson hauled Rooney off when he can see he's on the verge of doing something stupid?
Wilko must learn from this, but perhaps TP has to as well?
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Dec 27, 2008 13:47:27 GMT
Nope the options weren't the same as at Blackburn
Sonko had effectively ruled himself out of the team with that penalty at Blackburn - no manager wants loose cannons like him waiting to go off
Wilco has now, sad to say, put himself in the same category
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Post by slangking on Dec 27, 2008 13:51:36 GMT
I can imagine the reaction had he been taken off, Pulis takes off our best player, he had Ronaldo in his back pocket.. Pulis trusted him to play and he fuct it up, should be his last game.
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Dec 27, 2008 13:54:34 GMT
He was on a yellow Dave but to be fair hadn't really done anything out of order after so why would TP take him off? He couldn't have predicted what a stupid thing he was going to do- you could argue then he should have subbed all players on a yellow. Sure United had the ref in their pocket but it's not like Ronaldo dived to get him sent off. Was a wreckless, pointless lunge which any ref would have produced a red for. Sure Ronaldo wound him up but he fell for it. Looking at the table today it proves what a valuable possible point we have thrown away- anyone who says having 10 men didn't cost us the game is kidding themselves I'm afraid.
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Dec 27, 2008 13:56:06 GMT
So you think swearing at the top of your voice, and aiming that swearing directly at another human being, in front of children, is acceptable do you? Grow the fuck up. Oh the irony!!! Did it ever cross your mind that children read this board? All they'll see you doing is swearing and consistently attacking and abusing other Stoke City supporters.
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Post by colourboy on Dec 27, 2008 14:14:38 GMT
yes wilko messed up, but remember it was against argubly one of the best players in the world, he will not be ronaldos last victim and he certainly wasnt his first. dont think its the end of his stoke days at all. Just hope he learns from it....... and next time makes it a neck high 2 footed lunge. signed a knuckle dragger would much rather have a team of wilkos producing blood and sweat for the team than a team of ronaldos diving and moaning. Fuller does my head in with his tantrums and I would have subbed him before wlko with fear of ric getting sent off. wilko was not helped by the ref, and he did see ronaldos petulant kick at him as when the game continued the ref ran past ronldo and pointed at him as if to say "i saw that" "last chance" "dont do that again" he bottled taking action and wilko wrongly took the law into his own hands. lost his head or whatever ... understandable in my book
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Dec 27, 2008 14:20:55 GMT
Make no mistake he cost us a point today.
Shame he made such a stupid mistake because he ruined what was otherwise an excellent performance that he should have been proud of. It was a lack of intelligence/maturity really, think he may have just got carried away by the crowd baiting ronaldo.
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