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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 21, 2008 19:31:00 GMT
I know football is an emotional game and we all have players that we dislike. I, for example, can't stand Cresswell and Pugh and the involvement of both drives me to total despair.
I can fully understand people being frustrated by Delaps recent form, Higgy at left back, Sonko and many more.
I don't, however, get the Oli bashing. I really don't. Granted he has had some poor games, as have many others, and he had a shocker against Derby, but generally, I like him. His strengths lies in more advanced rather than defensive areas, which maybe why Pulis appears to have dropped him, but I think he is a decent player.
He can pass the ball, he can get about the pitch and he is the only one of our midfield players capable of shooting and getting a goal or two.
Despite all that, everytime mention is made of 20m being spent, Oli is lambasted as wasted money.
Our form since his early withdrawal from the Manure game due to injury has seen us win 1, draw 3 and lose 2. I actually think our team is missing his presence, but seemingly I am in a minority of just the lads that I attend the game with.
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Post by Homzy on Dec 21, 2008 19:33:22 GMT
Completely agree.
People seem to think he's a defensive midfielder in the mould of Diao or Olly but he's actually a very forward-minded player who certainly supports the strikers more than the supposedly creative Whelan.
Like you say, he's probably not defensive enough to play in the middle under TP but I'd get him back in asap - we've missed him massively.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 21, 2008 19:35:39 GMT
I was defending him to the hilt until the Derby game. then I realised he was terrible.
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Post by GazMcNicol on Dec 21, 2008 19:37:24 GMT
I know football is an emotional game and we all have players that we dislike. I, for example, can't stand Cresswell and Pugh and the involvement of both drives me to total despair. I can fully understand people being frustrated by Delaps recent form, Higgy at left back, Sonko and many more. I don't, however, get the Oli bashing. I really don't. Granted he has had some poor games, as have many others, and he had a shocker against Derby, but generally, I like him. His strengths lies in more advanced rather than defensive areas, which maybe why Pulis appears to have dropped him, but I think he is a decent player. He can pass the ball, he can get about the pitch and he is the only one of our midfield players capable of shooting and getting a goal or two. Despite all that, everytime mention is made of 20m being spent, Oli is lambasted as wasted money. Our form since his early withdrawal from the Manure game due to injury has seen us win 1, draw 3 and lose 3. I actually think our team is missing his presence, but seemingly I am in a minority of just the lads that I attend the game with. Its almost the "Sidibe Effect" where most of last season people were seriously questioning why he was playing, but boy did we miss him when he got injured at the ANC, and I think that was when the tide started to turn in Sidibes favour. It'll be interesting how results go if TP does start Oli again, I for one think he could be the catalyst, I could be wrong! |
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Post by serpico on Dec 21, 2008 19:37:32 GMT
I have a feeling Pulis will play him out on the right against Man U, and try and do what we did to Arsenal.
Seyi----Diao (if fit)----Faye----Delap.
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Dec 21, 2008 19:39:02 GMT
I know football is an emotional game and we all have players that we dislike. I, for example, can't stand Cresswell and Pugh and the involvement of both drives me to total despair. I can fully understand people being frustrated by Delaps recent form, Higgy at left back, Sonko and many more. I don't, however, get the Oli bashing. I really don't. Granted he has had some poor games, as have many others, and he had a shocker against Derby, but generally, I like him. His strengths lies in more advanced rather than defensive areas, which maybe why Pulis appears to have dropped him, but I think he is a decent player. He can pass the ball, he can get about the pitch and he is the only one of our midfield players capable of shooting and getting a goal or two. Despite all that, everytime mention is made of 20m being spent, Oli is lambasted as wasted money. Our form since his early withdrawal from the Manure game due to injury has seen us win 1, draw 3 and lose 3. I actually think our team is missing his presence, but seemingly I am in a minority of just the lads that I attend the game with. I totally agree. I posted on here a while back commenting on how I feel he is becoming the latest whipping boy. Most disagreed that he was. However, he obviously is. I think he offers more than Faye and Whelan. He judt needs to increase his confidence and I think he could be a big hit. There are far worse players in the team that dont receive the whipping he has ala Cresswell, Pugh etc. SGS |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2008 19:40:23 GMT
He can pass the ball
;D
His pass succession rate is 50%
He looks lazy, can't pass, doesn't get forward enough for me and has looked distictly crap to me. He gets caught on the ball too much too.
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Post by serpico on Dec 21, 2008 19:42:49 GMT
He can pass the ball ;D His pass succession rate is 50% He looks lazy, can't pass, doesn't get forward enough for me and has looked distictly crap to me. He gets caught on the ball too much too. To be fair to him, he's being told not to go forward by Pulis, ... but otherwise I agree, he's looked distinctively average. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 21, 2008 19:43:06 GMT
I heard off a Wolves fan that he has 1 good game and then disappears for 3 games. That's what I've seen so far.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 21, 2008 19:48:36 GMT
Those passing stats are interesting. Perhaps if he tried to play a sideways pass 5 yards everytime, his stats would improve.
Our form has dipped without him in the team that is for sure!
As for getting caught on the ball, do you think it is a coincidence that Salif similarly gets caught on the ball in every game he plays, Amdy Faye the same and Whelan likewise.
Even Griffin and Higgy have been similarly caught out, as was Faye in one game, as was Dicko v Villa at one point. Have you ever thought that it may be more to do with the lack of movement and options available to the midfield rather than the player himself?
Our midfield players have no options at all, ever, other than a punt upfield because our full-backs offer no threat going forward, and we have no wide players to speak of. Seyi seems reluctant to hump it, as does Salif at times, hence they get caught on the ball.
Just a thought like!
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Post by Homzy on Dec 21, 2008 19:53:09 GMT
Bloody hell, someone else who sees what I see! Your 1million per cent right Dave, the reason Oli and Salif get caught on the ball a lot is because they're not as willing to hoof it as some of the others.
If we were allowed more than one midfielder past the halfway line at any one stage then perhaps everyone's passing stats would improve.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2008 19:53:39 GMT
Ahh this old chestnut (bollocks) of sideways passing. From what I've seen he can't even do that as he showed yesterday when his pass intercepted and Blackburn nearly scored.
They all get caught on the ball but Griff, Higgi, Whelan (of late) and Diao retain it more often than not. Faye and Seyi daudle and then snap its lost. Seyi isn't good enough and has shown nowt to me to suggest otherwise. He looks lost in a game like he switches and goes into Seyi land. And then when the ball comes to him, its a shock. I really don't rate the bloke highly.
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Post by garyhackett on Dec 21, 2008 19:54:49 GMT
I will admit that results have turned for the worst since Seyi hasnt been playing but i think thats just coincidence.
The facts are there to be seen and they show Seyi has a pass completion rate of just 50% as oppsosed to Whelan / Diao/ Amdy & Tonge all of who are over 70% pass completion.
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Dec 21, 2008 20:00:13 GMT
I will admit that results have turned for the worst since Seyi hasnt been playing but i think thats just coincidence. The facts are there to be seen and they show Seyi has a pass completion rate of just 50% as oppsosed to Whelan / Diao/ Amdy & Tonge all of who are over 70% pass completion. I dont think your opinion matters as everyone knows you talk shit anyway SGS |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2008 20:05:56 GMT
We aren't winning because we didn't take our chances vs Hull, Fulham and Derby. And against Blackburn defensive errors and a monumental f**k up by the manager in team selection meant we were out of it in the 27th minute. Losing 5/6 players through injury hasn't helped including the key man Mama and Delaps exocets.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 21, 2008 20:09:03 GMT
I am not saying that Seyi would revolutionise our team Bayern, simply that I don't get the bashing he is getting from some quarters and pointing out that our results and form have dipped since his ommision.
I can't comment on him giving the ball away and costing us a goal, because I left on 85 minutes and presume you are referring to an incident in the last 5 minutes. It wasn't picked up on MOTD or football first, so it couldn't have been that bad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2008 20:13:27 GMT
Olifanjani should be reinstated for the ManUre game. He's had two or three stinkers but still looks are most capable midfielder in both halves when he's on song. These passing statistics that are produced give an indication but aren't the be all and end all.
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Post by Parkerson on Dec 21, 2008 20:42:38 GMT
I will admit that results have turned for the worst since Seyi hasnt been playing but i think thats just coincidence. The facts are there to be seen and they show Seyi has a pass completion rate of just 50% as oppsosed to Whelan / Diao/ Amdy & Tonge all of who are over 70% pass completion. I dont think your opinion matters as everyone knows you talk shit anyway SGS ;D |
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Post by premierpotters08 on Dec 21, 2008 22:30:26 GMT
i like him and would love to see him back in the squad.
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Post by jbstokie on Dec 21, 2008 22:37:38 GMT
Quick footed, strong and tough tackling but gives the ball away a lot, was at fault for two goals against Everton (his volley not one of them  ) But would like to see him have another chance. Good post |
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Post by bunnyscfc on Dec 21, 2008 23:49:46 GMT
"Quick footed, strong and tough tackling"
Please tell me you're joking? The lad would lose a 50/50 with Kate Moss. He offers nowt, as do most of our central midfielders. Difference is that he almost cost more than the others combined!
He's been anonymous in most games. Straw clutching at it's finest if we think that he's our saviour.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 22, 2008 0:12:26 GMT
Current pass completion rates:
Tonge : 95%
Whelan : 90%
Diao: 80%
Olofinjana: 50%
That is an absolutely shocking statistic.
Whilst I agree that the outlets for our central midfielders are close to zero, Seyis' other midfield colleagues can at least pass the ball accurately over short distances.
Olofinjana has been dropped for very good reason, and like Pulis, the majority of the SCFC faithful can plainly see ... that the lad can't tackle, can't pass accurately and indeed is far too easily muscled off the ball himself.
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Dec 22, 2008 0:48:17 GMT
I like Oly...When he gets the ball, he looks up and looks for the right pass, the only thing is, he takes to long to make the pass, whether it;s the players around him, for not moving or it his fault for being too slow, I haven't worked out yet!
The biggest example of this was against Man U..Him and Mama were linking up rally well until Seyi got injured and the structure seemed to fall apart...
Could it be that Seyi is too clever for his midfield partners??
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 22, 2008 1:55:33 GMT
I'm sorry I think Seyi is shite. And its just a massive coincidence that the results have gone downhill. He's lazy, weak, can't pass and looks like his heart's not in it to me. I really don't rate the bloke at all.
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Post by mcf on Dec 22, 2008 7:52:47 GMT
I agree with you Johnno
I'd have him back in like a shot.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Dec 22, 2008 11:28:14 GMT
"I'd have him back in like a shot." Take out the words 'back in like a', and you're spot-on Merk! |
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Post by march4 on Dec 22, 2008 11:51:36 GMT
Midfield is an area that needs sorting out quickly. We can have discussions about who is best out of our current players, but I think we need to bring in at least 2 experienced Premiership midfielders who will walk into the team and keep their place to the end of the season. 2 players who will please us all in the same way that Abdy has.
The discussions about Soares, Whelan, Diao, Oli, Tonge & Amdy show that they have strengths, but there are plenty of people who can see weaknesses for every single one.
When TP talks about the spine of the team, I think he is referring to centre midfield as much as the Mama role.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2008 11:57:45 GMT
Current pass completion rates: Tonge : 95% Whelan : 90% Diao: 80% Olofinjana: 50% That is an absolutely shocking statistic. Whilst I agree that the outlets for our central midfielders are close to zero, Seyis' other midfield colleagues can at least pass the ball accurately over short distances. Olofinjana has been dropped for very good reason, and like Pulis, the majority of the SCFC faithful can plainly see ... that the lad can't tackle, can't pass accurately and indeed is far too easily muscled off the ball himself. There is lies, damn lies and then statistics!! The reason Tonge's is so high is because the cunt' has probably only played about 3 hours worth of football all season!! |
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 22, 2008 12:23:47 GMT
I don't think we've seen anything to make the opinions of the bulk of Wolves fans look anything but absolutely on-the-money. He's got something, but it's hard to say what exactly. The principal problem with Olofinjana is, and I've said this many times, that he can't fulfil the role of any recognised "type" of midfielder. He can't be an attacking midfielder because his shooting is cack, that's why a huge proportion of his goals fall into the "unmissable" category. He can't be a defensive midfielder because he's a fairy. He can't be a playmaker because 90% of his passing is terrible. He can't shift out wide because he's far too slow.
The speed of the prem will do one of two things;
1. Olofinjana will have no option but to speed up his play and think more quickly; or,
2. Games will pass him by at an ever faster rate.
The prem will either bring out what we know he CAN do once or twice a season or it will show the whole world how much of a charlatan he is. Time will tell, but to reiterate someone else's comment on this thread, no matter how succesful he is in the Prem, i will NOT wish for him to be back at the wolves. Ever.
I have been as patient with Seyi as anyone, with the perhaps misguided theory that 'there is a player in there somewhere'. And there arguably is, but we do not get to see it anywhere near enough, over a 4 year period. If he makes it in the prem fair enough, but I doubt there will much improvement on what we have seen.
Most of this years african nations cup past him by as well from what I saw. In fact he was very poor from what I saw.
an absolutely brilliant price for someone who has consistently failed to perform over four years. And I'm not interested if the king of excuses wasn't used to English football/was tired from the Norwegian season/his passing is too good for our players/he had a bad back/he was worried about the African Nations/he was tired from the African Nations/he was deyhydrated, he's been a very poor signing, pound for pound. Contrast the £1.75m we spent on Colin Cameron and the £1.7m we spent on Olofinjana three years later, who had the greater impact?
Hes looked good at times and has undoubted talents. However the doubt is if he's only looked very good at times against clubs at our level what will happen with the step up. He lacks drive and desire for long periods of time and only someone like Hull, Wigan or Stoke (all potential relegation fodder already) will be likely to go for him. No reported interest apparently from anyone likely to finish mid table upwards. Could be another Camera or Soel in no time, but genuinely hope not.
18 goals in 147 appearances = 0.12 goals per game = 5-6 a season. Shouldn't be too difficult to replace, along with his 1-2 assists per year.www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=30190 Quite an interesting thread |
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Post by Ghostface on Dec 22, 2008 12:32:32 GMT
Seyi Bashing? Isn't that a euphemism for wanking a black man off?
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) But would like to see him have another chance.
