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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2008 19:04:41 GMT
Sorry, I thought you meant the actual current bottom third of the Premier League, as opposed to an imaginary one. My mistake! West Brom, by the way, spent a similar amount to us. Middlesbrough didn't spend too much having spunked £15m on one player in January.
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Post by MrMagic on Oct 28, 2008 19:09:30 GMT
He's out of comfort zone Mr M, we'll find out whether he's out of his depth soon enough. The results say maybe he is the performances say maybe he's not. The results will always be the final reckoning of course but we just don't know yet do we? Agree entirely momo. robvandeurzen83 - a pedant isn't something that captains exchange before cup finals Stop splitting hairs. Do you think any of the teams I listed are those that we'd have seen as our rivals before the season? I think they are. That's why I left out Everton, Newcastle and others. My point is, that in the past we've been able to blame our ills on "not being able to compete". I don't think that is valid any more. If other teams with similar budgets do well, and we don't it has to be down to other factors, the playing staff and the management being the key ones.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2008 19:15:54 GMT
It's only October though MM, we've had a tough start. I know it's a boring, repetitive point to have to make, but it's one a lot of people seem to keep ignoring.
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Post by MrMagic on Oct 28, 2008 19:26:08 GMT
True - time will tell. We have had a tough start, and we have avoided being hammered. Some of the play has been far better than some make out, and some of the age old problems of giving it away and sitting too deep have also been there.
Once we have played more of our closer rivals we'll have a better idea.
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 28, 2008 21:16:13 GMT
You know me too well, Merk. If I meet up with Mr AC, we'll probably be paying homage to him on our knees....again. But it's not if we win I'm worried about. It's if we lose which will set the cat amongst the pigeons. You know how fickle some of our support can be at times. ;D Goooaaarrrnnn Stoke! OS.
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 28, 2008 21:51:40 GMT
Back to your question of a couple of pages ago, Mick. Yes, we are now in the BVI, enjoying the Caribbean sun on a daily basis (well, I'm stuck in an office Monday to Friday but you get my drift).
Noah loves his new school and we even managed to watch the Spurs game in an open air bar by the sea with a can of red stripe in hand (me and Nic, not the young 'un!!).
My view, for what it is worth, is that we have critically failed in our top two purchases of the summer (costing 9 mill between them, lest we forget) to bring in the match winners we needed to turn a generally hard working and functional team (bar the mercurial Fuller) into one which can snatch one or even three points by a couple of pieces of magic. Our star forward buy looks lost in our system, devoid of confidence and never looks likely to score, whilst our star midfield buy is neither fish nor fowl, not very mobile, a poor passer, is sloppy in possession and rarely looks like linking with the forwards to provide a goal threat.
TP rimmers, like it not, TP did not spend that large amount of money very well. Let's hope he spends whatever dosh he gets given in January a good deal better (more of the quality of the immense Abdy Faye please!!).
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 28, 2008 22:07:15 GMT
Wish I was there, Jezza. FYI, it's freezing cold here and the gritter lorries have been out. Roll on next month. I'm off to Portugal for a coupla weeks.
Like you, I reckon the vast amount spent on those two players is rediculous. What's even more galling is that very few seem willing to bring the matter up in a serious way. These same people who seem dumb now weren't so dumb when Boskamp frittered away a million on The Runaway. They were apoplectic at that. Why the double standards? At least Boskamp's folly scored a few goals for us before he did his disappearing act.
That's why I entitled this thread...'This surreal experience.' It seems that because Pulis got us promotion, he is now exempt from any criticism by many on here, and woe betide anyone who dares do just that.
Keep warm.
M.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Oct 28, 2008 22:19:06 GMT
I think even the most ardent Pulis fans have got to admit that he's shagged up big style in the transfer market last summer.
I reckon he would have been better if Coates had said to him "you've only got 5 million to spend Tone"
In a perverse sort of way I think he would have done better.
To me Pulis gets the runs when the big money and big teams come calling...
I'm afraid he's out of his depth.
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Post by slangking on Oct 28, 2008 22:22:09 GMT
One good game transformed Soares from Pulis fcukup to deal of the century, if Kitson scores tomorrrow we'll have people worrying about him being poached by Spurs or Manure, some people don't half talk so much bollox just for the sake of slagging off Pulis. We've had people telling us he was out of his depth in being able to stay up, to get us even into the play offs, I like it when these morons keep going because Pulis proves them wrong time and time again. One thing is for sure and that is that some of these Pulis hating wankers have learned absolutely nothing even after last season's drubbing.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Oct 28, 2008 22:30:47 GMT
I think he's done good business with Soares.
Trouble is Slagheap, he's done very bad business with George, Tonge, Sonko and Kitson.
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Post by slangking on Oct 28, 2008 22:32:06 GMT
Yeah yeah, let's see what you are saying in 2 games time. I feel sorry for players coming to our club, some fucking wank supporters with chips on their shoulders are just DESPERATE to see them fail.
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Post by headsgoup on Oct 28, 2008 22:41:33 GMT
OldStokie
You've made it clear on many occassions that you're not a Pulis fan and it must be 'killing your pig' not being able to go on a full scale rant against him.
Have you the slightest idea just how difficult it is in this league? Have you an inkling how much money is REALLY needed to bring in players to radically improve the team?
To me mate, all you ever do is try to be negative about the manager. You won't be happy until he's gone and replaced with a no-hoper like Boskamp and we slide back down the leagues. You couldn't see a good thing if it stared you in the face.
Pulis has improved our league position EVERY year he's been in charge and given a fair crack of the whip he will continue. We know it isn't perfect, we do need get players in, in certain positions but if you saw the Newcastle v WBA game tonight I can honestly say we're better than them, even with the players we've got now. God, if you think we've got poor defenders then heaven help Brazil!
Against Man City if we'd have put away the first half chances we'd have won that game, as it was we ended up chasing it. Don't forget they had a £30 mill Brazillian striker against us. I cannot fault ANYONE for guts and effort including Pulis who's doing a sterling job................... if you could only see it!
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Post by Titan Uranus on Oct 28, 2008 22:47:45 GMT
If you're referring to me Slagheap, I haven't got a chip on my shoulder, just think that Tone is out of his depth.
Stoke 2 Sunderland 0
Sidibe and Delap.
If we don't we're fooked.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Oct 28, 2008 22:48:49 GMT
Classic
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Post by slangking on Oct 28, 2008 22:49:07 GMT
Yeah, let's hope Pulis continues to keep proving nobheads like yourself wrong. We can see some 'supporters' who are 'out of their depth', scum of the earth I'd say. If you're referring to me Slagheap, I haven't got a chip on my shoulder, just think that Tone is out of his depth. Stoke 2 Sunderland 0 Sidibe and Delap. If we don't we're fooked.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Oct 28, 2008 22:53:16 GMT
Now, now Slagheap..
you get exterminated if you start calling me names.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Oct 28, 2008 23:00:47 GMT
OldStokie You've made it clear on many occassions that you're not a Pulis fan and it must be 'killing your pig' not being able to go on a full scale rant against him. Have you the slightest idea just how difficult it is in this league? Have you an inkling how much money is REALLY needed to bring in players to radically improve the team? To me mate, all you ever do is try to be negative about the manager. You won't be happy until he's gone and replaced with a no-hoper like Boskamp and we slide back down the leagues. You couldn't see a good thing if it stared you in the face. Pulis has improved our league position EVERY year he's been in charge and given a fair crack of the whip he will continue. We know it isn't perfect, we do need get players in, in certain positions but if you saw the Newcastle v WBA game tonight I can honestly say we're better than them, even with the players we've got now. God, if you think we've got poor defenders then heaven help Brazil! Against Man City if we'd have put away the first half chances we'd have won that game, as it was we ended up chasing it. Don't forget they had a £30 mill Brazillian striker against us. I cannot fault ANYONE for guts and effort including Pulis who's doing a sterling job................... if you could only see it! Well said Alan. People like OldStokie know nowt about football in the modern era! They belong to a time of wing halves, inside forwards, outside writes and a fag and a quick short for the players at half time. The games moved on where if you get the tactics wrong you're fooked!
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Post by mumf14 on Oct 28, 2008 23:04:03 GMT
Yes, but he is very knowledgeable on Belgium basement football...Dender Bender Fc...
He follows them everywhere...."There's only one Fat BossFat...One fat Bossfat....."
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 28, 2008 23:13:00 GMT
This isn't the first time with OS, when Macari was turning the club around in the early 90s, OS was going round with a flat cap on top of a ginger wig talking like his balls hadn't dropped and organising bus trips to Exeter to see how a real team should play
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Oct 29, 2008 8:52:33 GMT
Stoke 2 Sunderland 0 Sidibe and Delap. If we don't we're fooked. nonsense
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Post by RAF on Oct 29, 2008 9:01:12 GMT
Just because you put it in bold doesn't escape the fact that you are wrong! NO HE HAS NOT!
I see the old fart is still leading some of you lot a merry dance! The amazing thing is after about the 100th time, you would have thought you would all learn.
H ;D
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 29, 2008 10:18:17 GMT
Now it's getting personal. I'm getting a bit fed up with the 'Robinho excuse'. How many goals did that 30 million quid player score before he played against us? I can tell you. 3. [Inc 1 pen.] And that was from 7 games. Why don't some of you admit, just for once, that we were beaten because we aren't good enough. And that the reason we aren't good enough is because Pulis has not spent his 20 million very well and that his plan B is plan A. That, of course, will stick in your craw cus you won't dare say a bad word about him for fear of rocking our sinking boat. You seem to think that if you continue your love-in, all will come good. And, if the worst happens, you can all go about boasting that "We once made it to The Prem." Now we're back to sucking red and white lollipops on the donkey on the beach at Blackpool. Hello, H. OS.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2008 10:28:36 GMT
We were beaten by Man City because they have spent massively over the past year or 2 and have the likes of Jo, Robinho, Elano, Petrov, Wright-Phillips etc (I know all those listed didn’t play).
We have to be realistic about how big a step up this season is. You can argue all day long about how well Tone has spent the money available and I for one have big question marks over some of his signings (most notably Kitson) but that doesn’t mean I’m not 100% behind Tone.
From all accounts Tone had a few players lined up which for whatever reason didn’t materialise so he had to move onto his second and third options. You only have to look at the monumental amounts of cash that Sunderland have spent over the past season or 2 to see how much quality there is in this league, for me they will still be a bottom half team this season (mid table at best).
Getting rid of Pulis would be a big mistake IMO, we’d risk bringing in another hopeless manage who would only take us backwards (per pretty much every other manager we’ve had in recent years).
People need to wake up, this is a GOOD time to be a Stokie (and it’s because Tone has take us back to elite).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2008 10:29:45 GMT
'God, if you think we've got poor defenders then heaven help Brazil!'
West Brom have at least 'attempted' to play attacking passing football which has resulted in a -8 goal difference whereas we've played the same old over-cautious defensive crap that's resulted in a, er, -8 goal difference.
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Post by RAF on Oct 29, 2008 10:30:15 GMT
Well Wigan haven't spent as much as us and they beat City!
H
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2008 10:33:19 GMT
And we drew with Liverpool and they beat Chelsea so are we better than Chelsea? Oh no wait, they beat us didn't they.
I love these types of reasoning.
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Post by RAF on Oct 29, 2008 11:08:15 GMT
Are Chelsea below us or in fact anywhere near us in the league? Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr No!
I love these types of reasoning.
But what you have inadvertently done is negate your own original argument about Man City spending big, so thanks for that.
H
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Oct 29, 2008 11:10:24 GMT
And we drew with Liverpool and they beat Chelsea so are we better than Chelsea? Oh no wait, they beat us didn't they. I love these types of reasoning. Well we beat Spurs and they beat Bolton and Bolton beat us so we're better than.............errrrm I've confused myself now! Who are we better than?
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Oct 29, 2008 11:12:50 GMT
Why don't some of you admit, just for once, that we were beaten because we aren't good enough. We're not as good as man city, did you really expect us to be? Whether we're good enough in the general sense, ie whether we are going to be in 17th come may, is still one for the jury to decide, trial by the remaining 28 fixtures, as it was this time last season when again we weren't good enough according to you, RAF, and a good half of the people who post on this board. Just like then it was a touch and go thing, we were never obviously out of it, we were never going to run away with the title. It's pretty much the same case this season, except obviously the goal is different in that we are trying to stay up. Pulis is going to do it his way, in his style, the way he knows how to do things and he'll make his fuck ups along the way whether they cost 5.5 million bob or not. Why not wait and see how it turns out? There is a fine line between sucess and failure here and not a single stoke fan can honestly say they know which side of that line we are going to end up on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2008 11:13:13 GMT
Daftburger, exactly my point mate.
How anyone can take one result and use it to prove a point is beyond me.
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