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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Oct 27, 2008 16:06:34 GMT
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and its easy to say we've wasted a lot of money on lame ducks..but at the time we bought them...not many people were saying that.. That's because at the time we'd have been happy if we'd signed Old Stokie!
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Oct 27, 2008 16:19:59 GMT
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and its easy to say we've wasted a lot of money on lame ducks..but at the time we bought them...not many people were saying that.. That's because at the time we'd have been happy if we'd signed Old Stokie! ;D ;D
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Post by Cityfullergoals on Oct 27, 2008 16:41:23 GMT
The main thing I have learned from the opening fixtures is that we will not “do a Derby” which was the main line of drivel which was thrown at us when we sealed promotion. We haven’t been turned over or utterly outclassed by anyone yet (including yesterday) like Derby were last season. That’s not enough though and we need to start getting points on the board…..and soon. People disillusioned by yesterdays result need to take a reality check. Our season won’t be decided on games like Man City away, it will be decided on the likes of Wednesdays game, Sunderland at home. If we can win that one we could jump up a few places, that’s how tight it is at the bottom. We also have Hull and West Brazil coming up as back-to-back home games, these are the one’s that really count. When we sealed promotion I said I’d do everything I could to just go and enjoy this season regardless of what happens, we’ve certainly waited long enough for it. Aston Villa and Spurs at home have already given us 2 great victories and the Villa match especially will live fondly in the memory for a long time to come (you couldn’t write a better script). Through in the experience and result of Liverpool away and we’ve already had some great occasions this season to hold onto and hopefully they’ll be more to come. We could have had a better start, yes. But we could have had a lot worse too and we are still very much in touch. Let’s not lose sight of how we felt just a few months ago when we sealed promotion. These are good times, lets enjoy it. Well said - I couldnt agree more
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Oct 27, 2008 17:09:59 GMT
I think we'll stay up, but I don't see why everyone is getting so down about losing away to quality teams. We need to beat those around us. Are you telling me I'll have the wrong attitude for enjoying myself at old trafford even if we lose 4 or 5-0?
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Post by slangking on Oct 27, 2008 17:37:05 GMT
All it takes is one or two good games for a player to be transformed from 'complete waste of money' to 'shrewd buy'. After all Fullermagic was one of those who used to call Rory, 'Decrap'. I was pretty encouraged yesterday. They were just too good where it mattered. But I just wish that we'd spent the money better in the summer. We really needed to squeeze every ounce of value and extra quality out of our £21m spending bonanza to really give ourselves a chance. £8.5m on Kitson and Olly (who seems exactly the player the Wolves fans described), and another £2m on Tonge, who it seems will only be used if there's an outbreak of the plague, is enough to drive you to drink. On the plus side, Soares again showed a lot of promise and showed he could prove to be a decent investment.
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Post by MrMagic on Oct 27, 2008 17:40:52 GMT
Games like yesterday were always going to happen, and when you look at the numbers we did have more possession and shots than we have in previous games.
Pulis is right that we should not let defeats bother us, BUT we should also learn and adapt as we go along. I'm not sure whether we are or not. Sitting back and defending is not working, because we are leaking goals, but we are creating chances.
In line with OS, I don't think it is good enough just to make up the numbers and then go back down, I've waited too much of my life for this to see it fucked up, so I'll make no apologies for getting annoyed when I see stuff that is plainly wrong.
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Post by slangking on Oct 27, 2008 17:48:00 GMT
The worst and easily the most hypocritical thing we can see is the likes of greyman and Old Stokie were the initiators of the 'a **** o' movement, remember? Think positive? It is all very well of course when the club is shiite and there is nothing at all to be positive about and nothing to play for. Now he sticks the boot in when we really need support more than ever.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 27, 2008 18:01:01 GMT
I thought we played pretty well yesterday in all honesty, probably as well as we have done this season, but there were some obvious negatives. Shawcross looked totally lost, our defensive unit was naive at times (team not individuals) and Salif just isn't the answer when teams are as mobile as Man Shitty were.
However, we looked a real threat going forward and I don't see why Oli is being criticised so much. Apart from Pompey away, I think he has been really good, very composed and looking to play passes no Stoke midfielder has produced since Eustace in his pomp.
He doesn't roar around the pitch which seems to some peoples judgement of a good player, but he does a really good job and would do a much better job with a good partner alongside him.
Kitson has flopped, but how much of that is down to him and how much is down to our manager and his preferred style of play is open to debate.
My only real concern is defensively. We need to sort out our back 4 and sort it out sharpish. We make far too many individual errors and I think we need to settle on a preferred back 4. I can't decide which would be my preferred option but it would be one of the following;
Griffin, AB Faye, Higgy, Dicko OR Griffin, AB Faye, Sonko, Higgy.
Higgy is so good I tend to err on the side of putting Higgy alongside Faye and being solid in the middle. I would like to see us get a left back in January though, so Higgy can resume hostilities from the centre.
Generally I have seen enough to be positive and I remain hopefuly at this stage that we can stay up and make a real good go of this season.
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 27, 2008 18:21:41 GMT
Pulis' ability to get Kitson playing well, whether within his team structure or (shock, horror!) changing it to accommodate him, will define our season.
Get him playing like he did for Reading, preferably higher up the pitch, and notching ten goals or more and we will stay up. If not, unless we splash the cash big style in January, on at least another striker (or two), a winger and a left back (so Danny can partner Abdy in the middle), I fear we will slip to a very brave, but inevitable, relegation.
One thing we do need is the supporters to stay right behind the team, especially at home, as home points are certainly going to be far easier to come by than away, where Tone can't seem to decide tactically whether to stick or twist in some games.
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 27, 2008 20:15:31 GMT
For goodness sake, Lige, will you, just for once, get your facts right. Neither of us were the intiators of the 'a **** o' movement. As you call it. In fact, greyers was dragged into it screaming like a stuck pig that he's a middle class gayer and that sort of stuff. As for 'sticking the boot in', that's what this board has become when anyone dares have an opinion that goes against the grain of trumpeting glorious defeats from the highest battlements of Pulis Ivory Towers. Some of you are like kids enjoying a ride on a donkey at Blackpool when you should be striving to ride the winner of the 2000 Guineas. Let's get real. We've finally made it to the Promised Land and should do whatever it takes to stay here. If that means critcising the manager, then so be it. Or whatever. There'll be little sentiment if SCFC lose the 30 million quid a year telly income, or if the 28,000 supporters become 15,000 again. Is that what some of you are prepared to accept in the cause of glorious defeats? Bring out the trumpets. We once made it to The Prem. Hip, hip.... Oi, Merk, Ollie will be your next nemesis: your next Brammer. Have you moved, Jezza? OS.
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Post by slangking on Oct 27, 2008 20:33:28 GMT
Am I missing something here? How is undermining the manager and club going to help us to stay in the Premier League? For goodness sake, Lige, will you, just for once, get your facts right. Neither of us were the intiators of the 'a **** o' movement. As you call it. In fact, greyers was dragged into it screaming like a stuck pig that he's a middle class gayer and that sort of stuff. As for 'sticking the boot in', that's what this board has become when anyone dares have an opinion that goes against the grain of trumpeting glorious defeats from the highest battlements of Pulis Ivory Towers. Some of you are like kids enjoying a ride on a donkey at Blackpool when you should be striving to ride the winner of the 2000 Guineas. Let's get real. We've finally made it to the Promised Land and should do whatever it takes to stay here. If that means critcising the manager, then so be it. Or whatever. There'll be little sentiment if SCFC lose the 30 million quid a year telly income, or if the 28,000 supporters become 15,000 again. Is that what some of you are prepared to accept in the cause of glorious defeats? Bring out the trumpets. We once made it to The Prem. Hip, hip.... Oi, Merk, Ollie will be your next nemesis: your next Brammer. Have you moved, Jezza? OS.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 27, 2008 20:45:23 GMT
The crazy world of Arthur Brown seems like a a conference for particularly dull accountants when you see the insanity that constitutes success in some folks minds.
The below record from 05/06 is like footballing Viagra to some people. Do us a season like this Tone and you might be stalked for the rest of your life by a group of ageing, predatory homosexuals. Eat up though, they like their boys with some meat on the bone.
Stoke 46 7 5 11 24 32 10 2 11 30 31 58 -9
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 27, 2008 20:53:39 GMT
Since when has telling somebody to get their finger out been undermining them? Who are we dealing with here? Some 4 year old? He's a highly paid employee of SCFC and should have shoulders broad enough to take a bit of flack. If he's got anything about him, he'll take it on the chin and prove many of us wrong. He's done it before. I hope he does it again. Did you ever serve in the forces, Lige? You sound like a mummy's boy telling her that a naughty boy has been saying owwible fings about your fwend. Victor. You're using the old get out clause. When you're losing the battle, employ the 'Boskamp Routine'. OS.
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Post by slangking on Oct 27, 2008 20:55:22 GMT
I guess you're right, I'm sure he wouldn't take the words of a senile old fcukwit to heart. It is easy though to make brainless attacks on Pulis though isn't it? After all he can't answer back, so sorry that he has people who are willing to defend him from cowards like yourself.
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 27, 2008 21:01:02 GMT
I'm sure he won't, Lige. After all, who takes any notice of a senile old fuckwit? Even my grandkids take the piss out of me. *Edit. I see you've edited Lige. You've added the 'coward' bit. How bwave of you. OS.
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Post by MrMagic on Oct 27, 2008 21:03:13 GMT
I'm assuming that there is no hypocrisy in suddenly being able to stomach 3-0 defeats then?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 27, 2008 21:06:57 GMT
If the routine fits though OS You can't you say you hate losing one minute and continue to cannonise a bloke who lost 48% of all of his Stoke matches! I warned you that trip would taint anything you ever said about Stoke in the future and your grandkids sound like good Pulis rimming stock
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Post by slangking on Oct 27, 2008 21:11:54 GMT
Well, you just seem to be one of those people who love to kick people when they are down, not the most endearing trait, I'm not like that. I'm sure he won't, Lige. After all, who takes any notice of a senile old fuckwit? Even my grandkids take the piss out of me. *Edit. I see you've edited Lige. You've added the 'coward' bit. How bwave of you. OS.
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 27, 2008 21:11:34 GMT
I can stomach that. Just so long as they don't become glory hunters and start wearing Manure shirts. OS.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2008 21:14:58 GMT
I'm assuming that there is no hypocrisy in suddenly being able to stomach 3-0 defeats then? A 3-0 defeat at home to then-rubbish Hull isn't quite the same as a 3-0 defeat away to the richest club in the world is it?
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 27, 2008 21:21:36 GMT
I'm glad you're not, Lige. The world needs kind, gentle folk at times. I think I would like you to nurse me through an illness. My very own Florence Nightingale. Unfortunately, I don't think Florence would have been much good on the front line in the Crimea. She was excellent at picking up the pieces after the battle was over. Perhaps that's your forte. I'm a bit puzzled though. You don't sound like a kind, gentle soul. OS.
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Post by MrMagic on Oct 27, 2008 21:24:00 GMT
I'm assuming that there is no hypocrisy in suddenly being able to stomach 3-0 defeats then? A 3-0 defeat at home to then-rubbish Hull isn't quite the same as a 3-0 defeat away to the richest club in the world is it? No it isn't. The quality of our squad has changed too tho! I was only being a bit naughty to be honest - I just love the way some people crusade in the name of decency and fair play when it suits them. A little like reformed smokers and born-again Christians. Edit* Your richest club in the world quote is just the kind of thing that TP would say. Well done!
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Post by slangking on Oct 27, 2008 21:23:50 GMT
Yeah, the battle finished in May, or had you forgotten that?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2008 21:28:40 GMT
I realise that MM, I just thought it was a rubbish analogy The quality of our side has changed since then yes, but in 2005-2006 we had the quality in our side to not be getting dicked at home to newly promoted Hull.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 27, 2008 21:32:07 GMT
but in 2005-2006 we had the quality in our side to not be getting dicked at home to newly promoted Hull. "We were unlucky" "The most one sided three nil I've ever seen" "It was better than any game I've ever seen under Pulis" "Pass me my medication" These were a few of the things you would have heard certain supporters uttering whist leaving the stadium.
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Post by MrMagic on Oct 27, 2008 21:33:43 GMT
;D
Doesn't Tone claim we are unlucky most weeks?
I can't beleive this argument is still running. Very funny tho.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Oct 27, 2008 21:34:43 GMT
You can't you say you hate losing one minute and continue to cannonise a bloke who lost 48% of all of his Stoke matches! So he didn't lose for 52% of the time. Anyone know the email address for the Pope? Stop being negative Sheikhy
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 27, 2008 21:38:52 GMT
No, Lige, I hadn't. Our glorious leader won that battle, but it was only the beginning of a long, hard war. We shall now test his mettle when the going gets really tough. Stick around. I think you may be needed next May. Again. I've just had a Mk 111 Boskamp shrapnell wound in my arse from Victor. Bring me some morphine, Florence. Quick! OS.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 27, 2008 21:46:11 GMT
You will tell me it's not true OS but this is why these divides persist and occasionally get vicious. Of course he's not immune to criticism, the higher up the tree you get and the more money you spend, the more open you are to be shot at but reading your above post you can't fail to pick out the relish in your heart for for the thought of Pulis fucking things up. The PHW's say Pulis proved them wrong (except the complete lunatic fringe) but you can tell from the way they post, it sticks in their craw. Admit it, theres a little bit inside you that would love to see Pulis leave this club with his tail between his legs. You will be smiling when the day comes won't you. You the greyman, and our Norwich correspondent will crack open a glass of something disgustingly expensive wont you?
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Post by growler on Oct 27, 2008 22:02:35 GMT
Well said Old Stokie - the voice of reason! Only the deluded few can surely think there is anything wrong with an appeal for the team we support to show a little more enterprise and at least give us a small hope of survival. To accuse him of undermining SCFC is ridiculous and divisive.
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