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Post by jcscfc on Oct 26, 2008 17:25:07 GMT
If you watch Hull they play on the counter.
If you'd like to watch Hull regular, which gets you off this board I'll draw you a map.
Its another game, not the end of the world.
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Post by Timmypotter on Oct 26, 2008 17:27:46 GMT
Did the nay-sayers on here not see the game just now? Man City have just produced one of the performances of the season so far, and not surprising after their pants run up to this game and the quality they have. Their footy was flowing and fast - we did well to break it up as much as we did. Plus we had real chances too. Fuller should have scored, and two headers from 6 yards out were straight at Hart.
Consistent home form is what will pick us up our points this season. Hull are freakish - am I right in thinking their goal difference was the worst in the top half of the prem before the West Brom game. Bubble waiting to be burst.
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Oct 26, 2008 17:28:09 GMT
Of course, SGS. We have played tentatively throughout the whole game, hence City were provided with more space to grab the two goals that ensured victory. Of course. I've been enlightened. Get yourself to specsavers pal. Those rose tinted glasses are affecting your perception SGS
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Post by nathan on Oct 26, 2008 17:32:04 GMT
Here's a post from another thread by Andy Har. It may come as a surprise to some of you that don't, but he actually has a braincell. We will play far, far worse than that and win. Other than not taking our chances, I don't see what more we could have done? Two headers from 6 yards, both straight at the keeper were probably the best, but fuller clean though and blazes over, a couple of good saves (one from Sali) and some good defending means we scored 0. Yes it is all about our lack of quality. But we knew that back in August. £32,000,000 for Robinho, £9m for SWP (plus the wages) buys you quality. We don't have that sort of money, and we aren't an attractive enough proposition even if Coates did decide to go mad and spend the family inherritance. Take it on the chin, we got ripped apart by a quality side - in part because we chased the game. We could have played 6 up and we would not have done any better. I can't say anyone had a shocking game, though - if anyone was responsible - Griff was probably "at fault" for all three goals (positional wise, at least). Roll on Blunerland at home ... Let's hope we can bag at least a point (they might be on a come down after their cup final win yesterday) If it was easy, Port Vile would be doing itah
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Post by sgtpotter89 on Oct 26, 2008 17:32:13 GMT
i'm not being negative, i am being realistic, we need to pick up points quickly, if we havent got 20 by January were fucked, simple as that, we cant keep defending like this and playing like this away from home
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Oct 26, 2008 17:34:15 GMT
Did the nay-sayers on here not see the game just now? Man City have just produced one of the performances of the season so far, and not surprising after their pants run up to this game and the quality they have. Their footy was flowing and fast - we did well to break it up as much as we did. Plus we had real chances too. Fuller should have scored, and two headers from 6 yards out were straight at Hart. Consistent home form is what will pick us up our points this season. Hull are freakish - am I right in thinking their goal difference was the worst in the top half of the prem before the West Brom game. Bubble waiting to be burst. Bubble waiting to be burst? Hull - 9 games - 20 points Stoke - 9 games - 7 points Will have to be a pretty big bubble pal SGS
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Oct 26, 2008 17:35:55 GMT
i'm not being negative, i am being realistic, we need to pick up points quickly, if we havent got 20 by January were fucked, simple as that, we cant keep defending like this and playing like this away from home Totally agree. You cant say anything about stoke unless we are positive. I am critical of our style away from home. I am a Pulis FAN. He is a legend. However, if we dont alter our approach away then we are down. Its as simple as that. SGS
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Post by Timmypotter on Oct 26, 2008 17:39:50 GMT
Did the nay-sayers on here not see the game just now? Man City have just produced one of the performances of the season so far, and not surprising after their pants run up to this game and the quality they have. Their footy was flowing and fast - we did well to break it up as much as we did. Plus we had real chances too. Fuller should have scored, and two headers from 6 yards out were straight at Hart. Consistent home form is what will pick us up our points this season. Hull are freakish - am I right in thinking their goal difference was the worst in the top half of the prem before the West Brom game. Bubble waiting to be burst. Bubble waiting to be burst? Hull - 9 games - 20 points Stoke - 9 games - 7 points Will have to be a pretty big bubble pal SGS I just reckon that come the end of the season we'll be there or thereabouts with Hull. Hopefully sitting pretty in 17th.
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Post by mikeyb99 on Oct 26, 2008 17:40:50 GMT
i'm not being negative, i am being realistic, we need to pick up points quickly, if we havent got 20 by January were fucked, simple as that, we cant keep defending like this and playing like this away from home Totally agree. You cant say anything about stoke unless we are positive. I am critical of our style away from home. I am a Pulis FAN. He is a legend. However, if we dont alter our approach away then we are down. Its as simple as that. SGS Agree. This is not about wanting Pulis sacked - its about wanting Stoke to stay up. We are not looking good at the moment and something needs to change, its not negative - its reality. The lads will get 100% support from me at the Brit and when I go away this season - but if we get trounced 3-0, don't expect me to sing our praises on this mb afterwards.
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Post by chrispk76 on Oct 26, 2008 17:44:24 GMT
nearly all premiership teams have got a player who has cost them 10mil or more so we have an excuse every week then.
so where do our 40 points come from? are we going win 12 home games and pick up the odd draw
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Post by Timmypotter on Oct 26, 2008 17:45:52 GMT
You don't need 40 points to stay in the prem.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2008 17:46:35 GMT
The point is, SGS. We did attack them. We did support the lads up front. We did play a bit of footbal, knocked it wide, got crosses in. We did change our approach. We still lost. We got beaten by a side with much more quality than us, because we made some defensive slip-ups and we did not take our chances That's fuller, ryan, kitson and sali didn't take their chances. The stats say we had more shots on target first half than they did. You just have to take it on the chin. We will lose more games this season than we will win. Man Citeh away is neither here nor there to our survival chances. No point crying about it. They were better than us and they'll probably be better than us if we play them next week. (And that braincell is on loan Glassknees and it's got to go back, right now!) ah
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Post by sgtpotter89 on Oct 26, 2008 17:51:57 GMT
You don't need 40 points to stay in the prem. not all the time no but its a benchmark that we have to reach to have a chance. west ham got 40 points when they went down a few years ago so it doesnt guarantee you safety
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Post by chrispk76 on Oct 26, 2008 17:57:33 GMT
You don't need 40 points to stay in the prem. West Ham finished with 42 points in 2002/3 to be relegated from the Premiership
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Post by AlJolson on Oct 26, 2008 18:01:47 GMT
True words. Some folk just like to moan.
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Post by Timmypotter on Oct 26, 2008 18:01:49 GMT
so those 'few years ago' when you did need 40 points was actually 2002/03? Back when there was only the big 3? Back when we didn't have oil oligarchs owning footy teams? The prem was a slightly different kettle of fish then.
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Post by Irish Stokie on Oct 26, 2008 18:12:11 GMT
What a difference a week makes. After the Spurs game we were on the way to a comfortable mid-table finish and now after one defeat we are relegated and "you can put your mortgage on us going down" as someone put it.
The facts are that we over-reacted to a good result last week just like we are over-reacting to a bad result today. Its one game and we have still to play the any sides who will be in the relegation battle bar Bolton so if Christmas comes around and we are still in the bottom 3 i could understand some negative postings but to say we are going down after 9 matches is ridiculous
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Post by chrispk76 on Oct 26, 2008 18:16:50 GMT
so those 'few years ago' when you did need 40 points was actually 2002/03? Back when there was only the big 3? Back when we didn't have oil oligarchs owning footy teams? The prem was a slightly different kettle of fish then. last season **37 points for safety season before **39 points for safety
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Post by slangking on Oct 26, 2008 18:18:15 GMT
Fcuk knows what the reaction would have been like had we been thrashed at home by Hull and then hear the manager talking about what lovely football they played even though they got battered.
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Oct 26, 2008 18:19:13 GMT
What a difference a week makes. After the Spurs game we were on the way to a comfortable mid-table finish and now after one defeat we are relegated and "you can put your mortgage on us going down" as someone put it. The facts are that we over-reacted to a good result last week just like we are over-reacting to a bad result today. Its one game and we have still to play the any sides who will be in the relegation battle bar Bolton so if Christmas comes around and we are still in the bottom 3 i could understand some negative postings but to say we are going down after 9 matches is ridiculous Your right. It is one game today. However, our approach away is the same week in, week out, and what have got from it?? Bolton - 3-1 loss Boro - 2-1 loss Pompey - 2-1 loss Liverpool - 0-0 draw Man City - 3-0 loss 1 point from 15. Compare that to Hull's away form, who by the way, are also a newly promoted team, and finished behind us last year, spent less than us this year etc: Newcastle - win Arsenal - 1-2 win Spurs - 0-1 win Blackburn - 1-1 draw WBA - 0-3 win 13 points from 15. The difference? Is the quality of players? - No Is it the approach to games? ABSOLUTLEY! Thats the key. We are shitting ourselves away and Hull are relishing it. Its all about approach, and ours will see us back in the CCC. SGS
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Post by slangking on Oct 26, 2008 18:23:30 GMT
Go collect your toys, time for bed.
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Post by mikeyb99 on Oct 26, 2008 18:27:45 GMT
Go collect your toys, time for bed. Typically incisive comment from AGSF. Maybe its your time for bed.
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Post by jcscfc on Oct 26, 2008 18:31:07 GMT
Who's shitting it.
I'm loving every second
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Post by Timmypotter on Oct 26, 2008 18:33:16 GMT
so those 'few years ago' when you did need 40 points was actually 2002/03? Back when there was only the big 3? Back when we didn't have oil oligarchs owning footy teams? The prem was a slightly different kettle of fish then. last season **37 points for safety season before **39 points for safety Edit: Fulham last season - 36 points. Wigan 06/07 - 38 points. Either way - that's academic. We could be in the old 3rd div. and being beaten by Telford in the FA cup. We're not anymore - WOOOOOOO!
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Post by slangking on Oct 26, 2008 18:35:45 GMT
Go collect your toys, time for bed. Typically incisive comment from AGSF. Maybe its your time for bed. Wow! What a comeback, little mikey that has to go down as your best ever, the classic 'I know you are but what am I' response.
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Post by stokemark on Oct 26, 2008 18:37:40 GMT
Fuck this 'compare to Hull ' shit right off
I am fucking sick and tired of hearing it. Hull are an exception, a remarkable one that is unlikely to be repeated and a sequence of fortunate (check out who they played and when) events has led to them being on a massive run of form and confidence.
They have signed players who have done brilliant for them but could have equally been shyte - so fucking what ? Lets talk about Stoke and remember that we are doing about how we probably expected - sometimes better - sometimes worse.
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Oct 26, 2008 18:38:54 GMT
last season **37 points for safety season before **39 points for safety Edit: Fulham last season - 36 points. Wigan 06/07 - 38 points. Either way - that's academic. We could be in the old 3rd div. and being beaten by Telford in the FA cup. We're not anymore - WOOOOOOO! Oh well, thats ok then. I feel much better now. Just because that is where we used to be, does not mean we have to accept that we are simply not competing. It obviously bothers me more than you if all you can do is happy clap. SGS
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Post by anarchicalan on Oct 26, 2008 18:41:34 GMT
SGS - bang on mate!
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Post by Timmypotter on Oct 26, 2008 18:43:05 GMT
Edit: Fulham last season - 36 points. Wigan 06/07 - 38 points. Either way - that's academic. We could be in the old 3rd div. and being beaten by Telford in the FA cup. We're not anymore - WOOOOOOO! Oh well, thats ok then. I feel much better now. Just because that is where we used to be, does not mean we have to accept that we are simply not competing. It obviously bothers me more than you if all you can do is happy clap. SGS D'oh! You got me - you're obviously a bigger and better fan than me. I'll back down. How anyone can call today's performance 'not competing' is beyond me.
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Oct 26, 2008 18:44:09 GMT
Fuck this 'compare to Hull ' shit right off I am fucking sick and tired of hearing it. Hull are an exception, a remarkable one that is unlikely to be repeated and a sequence of fortunate (check out who they played and when) events has led to them being on a massive run of form and confidence. They have signed players who have done brilliant for them but could have equally been shyte - so fucking what ? Lets talk about Stoke and remember that we are doing about how we probably expected - sometimes better - sometimes worse. Youre surely not suggesting that the start made by Hull is a fluke? We compare Hull because they started this season on a level playing field as us in terms of quality and experience in the prem. They have spent less than us, have similar players and a style of play and have 13 more points than us. They are relishing each game, we are scared of them. Change your glasses pal. SGS
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