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Post by mermaidsal on Oct 22, 2008 19:43:58 GMT
If you haven't seen tonight's Sentinel, they secretly polled councillors and there's a very real chance that the next council leader would be the BNP's Alby Walker. I'm not saying he's necessarily a bad bloke, I don't know him. But we could be about to let the BNP into a position of serious power simply because of ordinary decent people not speaking out. That's why we HAVE to hang onto the elected mayor system, for all its faults. Maybe not forever but certainly for now. So please, please if you've got a vote in S-o-T and care about the city, turn out tomorrow and vote to keep the mayor. www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/news/Revealed-yes-vote-mayoral-referendum-BNP-leading-council/article-417844-detail/article.html
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Post by stokeylad on Oct 22, 2008 19:56:45 GMT
i was going to vote no anyway, he will probably be elected as a lot of young voters will vote BNP as it is the 'cool' thing to do.
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Oct 22, 2008 20:02:47 GMT
If I had a vote Sal, would follow your advice.
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Post by mermaidsal on Oct 22, 2008 20:05:17 GMT
I know, I haven't got one either. But I'm really, really scared about what might happen simply due to enough people's apathy. They just don't seem to be getting how crucial tomorrow could be, I'm tempted to offer lifts to the polling stations
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Oct 22, 2008 20:06:21 GMT
So there are sixty councillors and the BNP have 9. How does that equate to the next Mayor being BNP?
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Oct 22, 2008 20:13:17 GMT
So there are sixty councillors and the BNP have 9. How does that equate to the next Mayor being BNP? It doesn't. If the vote is to replace the elected Mayoral system with a Leader + Cabinet (as in Newcastle Borough & Staffs County for example), 8 Cllrs said they'd support Cllr Walker as the Leader, presumably because the BNP group would vote en bloc. No other Cllr would - according to this canvass in the Sentinel - get more than 4 other Cllrs supporting them, partly I expect because of the fractious nature of the parties in Stoke. If the vote is to retain the elected Mayoral system, that would be a public vote and, fortunately, there aren't enough BNP supporters (although 1 is too many inmy view) for a BNP member to get elected as Mayor.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Oct 22, 2008 20:24:34 GMT
Surely they'd work together to stop that happening? I mean how embarrassing would that be having a BNP Mayor?
A lot of people feel even if we keep an elected Mayor the next one will be a BNP member.
We should get rid of the whole system and put St Peter in charge. He knows how to get things done on the cheap, snigger!
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 22, 2008 20:24:48 GMT
"If the vote is to retain the elected Mayoral system, that would be a public vote and, fortunately, there aren't enough BNP supporters (although 1 is too many inmy view) for a BNP member to get elected as Mayor" I wouldn't count on that mate. People are voting BNP because if they vote for 1 of the main parties they get all 3. The current leadership is running the place into the ground. People just want change and BNP are pushing all the right buttons at the moment. And no I dont vote BNP.
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Oct 22, 2008 20:30:41 GMT
"If the vote is to retain the elected Mayoral system, that would be a public vote and, fortunately, there aren't enough BNP supporters (although 1 is too many inmy view) for a BNP member to get elected as Mayor" I wouldn't count on that mate. People are voting BNP because if they vote for 1 of the main parties they get all 3. The current leadership is running the place into the ground. People just want change and BNP are pushing all the right buttons at the moment. And no I dont vote BNP. True, there would be no guarantee that a BNP politician couldn't get elected as Mayor, but there would also be a chance that someone without a party-label might get elected, if they were persauded to stand, given the cynicism about the 3 main parties.
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Post by mermaidsal on Oct 22, 2008 20:34:58 GMT
I think there'd be a really good chance of a non-party mayor, if not Mike Wolfe again then someone like Christine King. Or Mo Chaudry, who would be fantastic and wrote an impassioned and well argued letter for keeping the Mayor tonight in the Sentinel.
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Oct 22, 2008 20:43:00 GMT
Mo Chaudrey was one of the Guest Speakers at the Conference I attended today - referred to on the main Board - and was very impressive.
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Post by onebollockbarry on Oct 22, 2008 20:44:11 GMT
"But we could be about to let the BNP into a position of serious power simply because of ordinary decent people not speaking out."
So are we suggesting anyone who votes BNP are not ordinary decent folk?
I think you will find alot of ordinary decent folk as you put it are so fed up of the abuse put on them from this city. Majority being the minority and so on that they will vote BNP.
To be honest i'll viote for who i see fit whether it be BNP or somebody else.
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Post by onebollockbarry on Oct 22, 2008 20:46:26 GMT
What we currently have in place is an utter shambles and a waste of perfectly decent air.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 22, 2008 20:53:02 GMT
With the second choice votes in the elected mayoral election counting, I'm afraid there's every chance of an elected BNP mayor. With only 9 councillors the chance of a BNP elected council leader is far less, couple this with the fact that the whole issue of the elected mayor has been an unmitigated disaster for this city and there can only be one way to vote.
FOLKS IF YOU HAVE A VOTE, VOTE YES TOMORROW!!
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Post by Tubes on Oct 22, 2008 20:56:41 GMT
I constantly get the piss taken out of me by my mates about Stoke being backward enough to elect 9 BNP councillors, it's an embarrassment to such a great City.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 22, 2008 20:58:56 GMT
"But we could be about to let the BNP into a position of serious power simply because of ordinary decent people not speaking out." So are we suggesting anyone who votes BNP are not ordinary decent folk? I think you will find alot of ordinary decent folk as you put it are so fed up of the abuse put on them from this city. Majority being the minority and so on that they will vote BNP. To be honest i'll viote for who i see fit whether it be BNP or somebody else. Im sure the majority of people who voted BNP are decent people. It's also true that they are equally misguided and gullible.
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Post by santy on Oct 23, 2008 1:43:59 GMT
I won't be voting on this, it has little point at the end of the day, decisions will still be made the same way, the ordinary person will have little to no say in events, I don't see why the BNP would be all that bad really because they're still within a lot of constraints not exactly like BNP get in, then within a week most of shelton has been flattened etc.
Just the way I see it mind.
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Post by buxtop on Oct 23, 2008 7:43:14 GMT
So does this mean we could have a racist mayor or another shirt lifter?
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 23, 2008 8:08:26 GMT
Sal, rebellious, why don't you have a vote? ???
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Post by craig67 on Oct 23, 2008 9:40:18 GMT
Sal, rebellious, why don't you have a vote? ??? RJB lives in Clayton Joe,so I would hazard a guess that he doesn't live in Stoke-on-Trent. God knows about Sal.It says she lives in SOT;so either she hasn't registered or is in fact fibbing about where she lives?
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Post by mermaidsal on Oct 23, 2008 11:20:33 GMT
Craig and Joe, I'm in Seabridge so I'm over the border too but I just hate Castle people pretending they're not from Stoke so much that I always say S-o-T
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2008 11:38:18 GMT
Just to clear up a couple of points here:
1. Alb Walker is a cunt'
2. Mo Chaudhry is also a cunt'
Thanks
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Post by ladyinred on Oct 23, 2008 12:08:48 GMT
surely the other cllrs would 'club together' as they all apparently ignore the BNP at meetings anyway.
I think there is more chance of a BNP mayor - if ppl vote NO.
I believe that the cllr's are saying that it will be BNP if the vote is YES to get ppl that want BNP to vote YES.
The whole system is flawed.
If you want to vote on who the mayor is - then you're likely to vote today. If you want the council to choose - are you really going to bother voting.
i'e you are voting for the right not to vote
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 23, 2008 12:16:22 GMT
Just to clear up a couple of points here: 1. Alb Walker is a cunt' 2. Mo Chaudhry is also a cunt' Thanks Well said, particularly re: No. 1 ;D
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Post by PotteringThrough on Oct 23, 2008 12:30:02 GMT
I really don't want to keep the elected Mayor system to be honest but in this instance it is the best option.
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Post by TheDee51 on Oct 23, 2008 12:46:04 GMT
Craig and Joe, I'm in Seabridge so I'm over the border too but I just hate Castle people pretending they're not from Stoke so much that I always say S-o-T But Sal, Castle people aren't from Stoke, its newcastle borough. I aren't from stoke, doesnt stop me supporting stoke though. And I'm proud to say that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2008 12:51:34 GMT
Just to clear up a couple of points here: 1. Alb Walker is a cunt' 2. Mo Chaudhry is also a cunt' Thanks Well said, particularly re: No. 1 ;D I did actually miss out one: 3. Alb Walker's son Jimmy Walker is also a cunt' ;D
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Post by Mr Wheeze on Oct 23, 2008 13:51:24 GMT
I just think it'd be really be embarrassing to have a mayor called 'Alby'! I mean, what sort of bloody name is that?!
BNP, Conservative, Labour, Lib Dems + any other named party, it doesnt matter cos theyre all bloody liars!
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Post by blurtonboy66 on Oct 23, 2008 15:36:26 GMT
Love that response loony1 ;D
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Oct 23, 2008 15:40:22 GMT
If you did have a BNP mayor it would liven up all the main stream parties a bit
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