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Post by bondygodfatherleek on Oct 25, 2008 0:54:58 GMT
thats better serps.its not the al qauda i,m on about its those in this country. how do you know there,s 3000 anyway? 1 got shot yesterday, so by your count there,s 2999 left shame. why do you read the American press so much? are you just bored, if you are get a job. end off for, i was going to say for the night, but no it,s morning .and you,ve kept me off the stoke ebay site . bye for now Estimates vary, but the general consensus is there's about 3 thousand actual al qeada members in the world, their ranks swelled as a result of the Iraq war, pre 9/11 al qaeda was on it's last legs, 9/11 was very much a last throw of the dice in a attempt to suck the US military into Afghanistan, and it worked, the US is being bled dry, a death from a thousand cuts. The large majority of Muslims in this country do not align themselves with al qaeda. You might want to read this- our policies are creating terrorists. www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/oct/18/stella-rimington-9-11-mi5hello serps ,thought i would come back and have a nosey! read it. so some silly headline seeking bitch, British new paper i,ll give you that 1. there is more than you think in our country, Britain's full to the brink, ask your mate bin, any way 9/11 was,nt just about the us. it was about democracy , there were quite a large amount of other nationals that died and badly injured in another cowardly attack. you cannot fight these cowards by bullet or words they believe in dying and going on to their heaven. thats a load of shit to start. there only one place for cowards that hide among st women & children is hell. i have told you before you say its an illegal war brill! take our soldiers & allies out and let them kill each other. like you have said a few times nothing to do with us. a bit like it was nothing to do with us about France ww1. |
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Post by santy on Oct 25, 2008 1:20:07 GMT
The term illegal war is a funny one, its like who exactly gets to decide if a war is legal or not? Basically its pretty much someone wants to invade somewhere and they do or they don't.
Morally justified, financially justified? These are things you can quantify; but considering societies laws have been changing since we first forged societies, a lawful war one century could well be unlawful the next. Still, I haven't seen the vote results lol, are we 'doomed' to BNP running forever, or just doomed to the usual bunch of no-hopers?
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Post by bondygodfatherleek on Oct 25, 2008 1:37:11 GMT
bondygodfatherlee ...Youre fucking nuts mate ??? yes i was mad, still are. too have worked most of my life till that muslim doctor misdiagnosed me. and then i contracted mrsa he missed that, a black south African doctor found it but not quick enough. i, m in pain this very moment trying to hang on as long as i can.till i might be able to get some sleep! mad yes letting the governments we,re had kill off our industries car manufacturing west midlands coal mines all over, and don,t mention using fossil fuel killing the environment. we buy coal from Poland Russia to name a few. our own pot banks! Stoke club buy foreign imports of mugs etc shame our pottery industry was the pride of the world, they are the only Stoke city mugs i will not buy. only Staffordshire & a few English ones scattered about the country. all those people laid of now jcb, they will not get much joy off the social unless you are a muslim.you cannot say nothing against them , you might even go to court. i cannot be bothered with any of the PC shit. i say what i think, its supposed to be a free country . yes but who for . i was called names at school because i had ginger hair and my dad was from ulster,t he loyalist part.did they get punished did they fuck. and i would not have wanted it . you are what you are fat thin speccy ginge bald. but they are scum ,and you can quote me on that even report me, the way i feel at the moment . i could not care less. had a bloke on the phone seeking donation to house the homeless in our country. alot of ex servicemen, its just disgraceful . they can,t get money of social like the muslims can, catch 22 no fix abode no money, no money no accommodation except for a few charities like the 1s who rang me, well i could,nt afford too i,already give money for achildren charity, and if i pick owt up off other people cancer research get them. so yes i am mad come and join the fucking MAD club. PS what about the shameful way the elected government have treated the Gurkha,s ,make you want to be sick. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2008 10:38:48 GMT
So, erm, Hitler, misunderstood softie? read the original mien kampf English version 1936 1st then call me softie, prick . most of his extremist advisers told him to invade Poland. now the poles are invading us. not that thats an issue a lot of my mates parents lived at black shaw moor NR the old anzio army camp outside leek came from Poland to evade Nazi occupation. get your facts right before you write. I wasn't calling you softie mate, try actually reading what I put. "Most of his extremist advisers told him to invade Poland" Did you miss all that stuff about the Slavs and Lebensraum in Mein Campf then? You say his advisors talked him into it as if he's the school wally pressured into it by bigger boys. The truth is he cultivated the Fuhrerprinzip which stated that the Fuhrer's decision was always right, and fostered jealosuy and competition among his own advisors to protect his own position. So let's not start pretending Adolf was a big misunderstood teddy bear. |
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Post by serpico on Oct 25, 2008 11:24:54 GMT
Estimates vary, but the general consensus is there's about 3 thousand actual al qeada members in the world, their ranks swelled as a result of the Iraq war, pre 9/11 al qaeda was on it's last legs, 9/11 was very much a last throw of the dice in a attempt to suck the US military into Afghanistan, and it worked, the US is being bled dry, a death from a thousand cuts. The large majority of Muslims in this country do not align themselves with al qaeda. You might want to read this- our policies are creating terrorists. www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/oct/18/stella-rimington-9-11-mi5hello serps ,thought i would come back and have a nosey! read it. so some silly headline seeking bitch, British new paper i,ll give you that 1. there is more than you think in our country, Britain's full to the brink, ask your mate bin, any way 9/11 was,nt just about the us. it was about democracy , there were quite a large amount of other nationals that died and badly injured in another cowardly attack. you cannot fight these cowards by bullet or words they believe in dying and going on to their heaven. thats a load of shit to start. there only one place for cowards that hide among st women & children is hell. i have told you before you say its an illegal war brill! take our soldiers & allies out and let them kill each other. like you have said a few times nothing to do with us. a bit like it was nothing to do with us about France ww1. They didn't attack the US because they hate democracy, thats the propaganda spin put on it by our government so they can continue to intervene in the middle east, but sure, ignore the real reasons all you like, but don't expect terrorism to stop. Wether it is today or in another 10 years, sooner or later we're going to have to address the root cause of this terrorism. As we learned with the IRA, the only way to stop these types of groups is dialogue. It's not as if they haven't stated clearly what their grievances are. Most people have chosen to ignore them though. |
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Post by powchirper on Oct 25, 2008 11:57:07 GMT
So go on then Serps tell me about these angry young muslims, what their grievances are etc, what is so bad about the country that welcomed their forefathers with open arms that they now hate it that much thet want to blow it and its innocent occupants to smithereens.
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Oct 25, 2008 13:48:40 GMT
We don't have an immigration crisis though do we? The Polish workers are going back, they're helping our economy and doing the jobs that around 1 million Brits won't do as they'd rather be on benefits!  |
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Post by serpico on Oct 25, 2008 13:54:53 GMT
So go on then Serps tell me about these angry young muslims, what their grievances are etc, what is so bad about the country that welcomed their forefathers with open arms that they now hate it that much thet want to blow it and its innocent occupants to smithereens. Let me just say that there is a big distinction between sympathy and understanding why something occurs. When Bin Laden first declared jihad against the US (in 98) he set out his grievances, primarily - US military bases in saudi arabia, The US's biased support of Israel, the US led sanctions on Iraq in the 90's which killed over 1 million people, US support for middle eastern police states such as the ones in saudi arabia/Egypt/Pakistan, nowhere does he say "we hate democracy". Before the Iraq war Britain probably wasn't even a target, or at least wasn't at the top of the list when it came to who they have grievances with. But don't listen to me, click the link further up, the ex chief of MI5 explains it fairly well. They're evil, but not motiveless. This is something people inside the US government have tacitly acknowledged, even uber neo-con Paul Wolfowitz has admitted that the US military bases on the arabian peninsula was one of the motivating factors behind the attacks, thats why they have now been downsized to almost no presence in saudi arabia, the trouble is they have just moved them to Iraq instead, a equally holy land. The US has been meddling in the middle east since 1953 when they covertly over threw Mohmmed Mossedeq of Iran, since then they've been over throwing and propping up dictators left right and centre, it was only a matter of time before they had some blowback from it. If they just have a blind hatred of democracy, then why don't they target sweden ? or switzerland ? .... |
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Post by bondygodfatherleek on Oct 25, 2008 19:51:03 GMT
So go on then Serps tell me about these angry young muslims, what their grievances are etc, what is so bad about the country that welcomed their forefathers with open arms that they now hate it that much that want to blow it and its innocent occupants to smithereens. Let me just say that there is a big distinction between sympathy and understanding why something occurs. When Bin Laden first declared jihad against the US (in 98) he set out his grievances, primarily - US military bases in Saudi Arabia, The US's biased support of Israel, the US led sanctions on Iraq in the 90's which killed over 1 million people, US support for middle eastern police states such as the ones in Saudi Arabia/Egypt/Pakistan, nowhere does he say "we hate democracy". Before the Iraq war Britain probably wasn't even a target, or at least wasn't at the top of the list when it came to who they have grievances with. But don't listen to me, click the link further up, the ex chief of MI5 explains it fairly well. They're evil, but not motiveless. This is something people inside the US government have tacitly acknowledged, even uber neo-con Paul Wolfowitz has admitted that the US military bases on the Arabian peninsula was one of the motivating factors behind the attacks, thats why they have now been downsized to almost no presence in Saudi Arabia, the trouble is they have just moved them to Iraq instead, a equally holy land. The US has been meddling in the middle east since 1953 when they covertly over threw Mohmmed Mossedeq of Iran, since then they've been over throwing and propping up dictators left right and centre, it was only a matter of time before they had some blowback from it. If they just have a blind hatred of democracy, then why don't they target sweden ? or switzerland ? .... prick, those two countries as you very well know always stay neutral. if you like muslims so much piss off Iraq and see how they would treat an arse licker like you. on your answer to chirpers ?. where do you fucking live. i,m very lucky to live in leek, i feel dead sorry for decent people of stoke-on-trent, i really do. i,m having a guess you have no muslms around you. prick.and about the poles going home i would if i saw all "them not to be mentioned" scum. i would rather have a thousand poles than 1 of "them not to be mentioned" not one of you PC twats have said anything about our involvement in Bosnia. |
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Post by serpico on Oct 25, 2008 20:01:01 GMT
Let me just say that there is a big distinction between sympathy and understanding why something occurs. When Bin Laden first declared jihad against the US (in 98) he set out his grievances, primarily - US military bases in Saudi Arabia, The US's biased support of Israel, the US led sanctions on Iraq in the 90's which killed over 1 million people, US support for middle eastern police states such as the ones in Saudi Arabia/Egypt/Pakistan, nowhere does he say "we hate democracy". Before the Iraq war Britain probably wasn't even a target, or at least wasn't at the top of the list when it came to who they have grievances with. But don't listen to me, click the link further up, the ex chief of MI5 explains it fairly well. They're evil, but not motiveless. This is something people inside the US government have tacitly acknowledged, even uber neo-con Paul Wolfowitz has admitted that the US military bases on the Arabian peninsula was one of the motivating factors behind the attacks, thats why they have now been downsized to almost no presence in Saudi Arabia, the trouble is they have just moved them to Iraq instead, a equally holy land. The US has been meddling in the middle east since 1953 when they covertly over threw Mohmmed Mossedeq of Iran, since then they've been over throwing and propping up dictators left right and centre, it was only a matter of time before they had some blowback from it. If they just have a blind hatred of democracy, then why don't they target sweden ? or switzerland ? .... prick, those two countries as you very well know always stay neutral. Wow, in and amongst the stream of ad hominem attacks I think you hit the nail on the head. Thats exactly why those countries don't get attacked. So you're now admitting that you think it's our interventionist foreign policy that causes terrorism ?. |
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Post by powchirper on Oct 25, 2008 20:01:30 GMT
Sorry mate but after reading all that i still cant see what gives these dirty stinking murdering scum the right to go round the country blowing themselves up and taking the lives of innocent British men, women and children, Put it this way, I have no ruck with any race or religion in the whole wide world but there are scum living in this country of ours who would love nothing more than to kill me for the simple fact that i am a white christian.
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Post by serpico on Oct 25, 2008 20:11:10 GMT
Sorry mate but after reading all that i still cant see what gives these dirty stinking murdering scum the right to go round the country blowing themselves up and taking the lives of innocent British men, women and children, Put it this way, I have no ruck with any race or religion in the whole wide world but there are scum living in this country of ours who would love nothing more than to kill me for the simple fact that i am a white christian. Again, I never said it does give them the right, I'm not siding with them, I'm not saying what they do is right or just, I'm merely pointing out what motivates them to do it, and it isn't "merely because you're a white christian", do people really believe our actions in the middle east do not have consequences ?.... it's a little more nuanced than "good V Evil", the US has done some pretty shitty things in that part of the world, and sometimes what they do has unintended consequences. For some reason people seem to think that history began on 9/11 and anything that happened before that should be discounted, as if it all happened out of the clear blue sky, unprovoked, which is rubbish. Certain people within the intelligence world had been warning for a long time that the US was stirring up hatred in the middle east and that it was only a matter of time before the chickens came home to roost. It's understandable that people would think 9/11 was unprovoked because a lot of what the uS was doing in the middle east has been done covertly ,you don't hear it on the news when a CIA backed terror group sets off bombs in Iran/Iraq/lebanon or beruit, so you only see one side of things. |
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Post by powchirper on Oct 25, 2008 20:26:28 GMT
muslim atrocities
Stick that fucker in Google and read as much of it as you've read about American atrocities and come back with a decent argument in, lets say a month to read it all.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 25, 2008 20:31:56 GMT
muslim atrocities Stick that fucker in Google and read as much of it as you've read about American atrocities and come back with a decent argument in, lets say a month to read it all. Vietnam? Korea? Iraq? Colombia? Grenada? Shall I go on? |
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Post by serpico on Oct 25, 2008 20:41:25 GMT
muslim atrocities Stick that fucker in Google and read as much of it as you've read about American atrocities and come back with a decent argument in, lets say a month to read it all. So what do you think motivates modern day suicide bombers ? they're just motiveless evildoers who just wake up one morning and think "I hate white christians so I'm going to blow myself up" ? it's that simple ? . It's worth noting that Ayotollah Kohmeni of Iran used to rail against "the great American satan" , referring to the American way of life with it's strip clubs and hollywood movies, and yet not ONE person was motivated to blow themselves up for his cause. Yet Bin Laden talks about the Iraq sanctions, the bias towards Israel, the US military bases on holy land, and he has a endless line of people prepared to die for his cause. No matter what Bin Ladens core motivations or goals are, he is succesful because what he says resonates with people, for instance EVERY muslim with access to a TV or a computer has seen this clip of former US secretary of state say that the deaths of 500 thousand Iraqi children under the brutal US sanctions was "worth it", so when he talks about the sanctions it resonates with muslims. So it's not surprising that a small minority of them are incensed enough to take their own lives whilst taking out revenge for such things, for every action there's a reaction, it's not rocket science. So I'd like to know how it is possible to solve a problem by using the same methods which caused it in the first place, because thats essentially what we're doing, it's just one huge cycle of violence. And answer this, why has terrorism increased 7 fold since the "war on terror" began ? surely 8 years in it should be lessening ?. |
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Post by bondygodfatherleek on Oct 25, 2008 21:30:51 GMT
muslim atrocities Stick that fucker in Google and read as much of it as you've read about American atrocities and come back with a decent argument in, lets say a month to read it all. Vietnam? Korea? Iraq? Colombia? Grenada? Shall I go on? you do, thats the trouble we had in a couple of those countries mentioned real threat to the safety of every free country in the world, that dreaded shite communism . look at china ,totalitarian scum. should never have had the games there, another set of pals for you PC shit heads. you are all a bunch of treacherous bastards. in your world you could not say stuff, as you do, you would just disappear, well heres hoping. |
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Post by bondygodfatherleek on Oct 25, 2008 21:32:51 GMT
prick, those two countries as you very well know always stay neutral. Wow, in and amongst the stream of ad hominem attacks I think you hit the nail on the head. Thats exactly why those countries don't get attacked. So you're now admitting that you think it's our interventionist foreign policy that causes terrorism ?. and you sepicock just fuck off, |
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 25, 2008 21:34:47 GMT
Hurrah, Nazi Intentionalism vs Structuralism debate.
I hope somebody picks Sir Ian Kershaw ;D
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 25, 2008 21:41:45 GMT
Vietnam? Korea? Iraq? Colombia? Grenada? Shall I go on? you do, thats the trouble we had in a couple of those countries mentioned real threat to the safety of every free country in the world, that dreaded shite communism . look at china ,totalitarian scum. should never have had the games there, another set of pals for you PC shit heads. you are all a bunch of treacherous bastards. in your world you could not say stuff, as you do, you would just disappear, well heres hoping. Wow...such reasoned argument. Are you Alby Walker in disguise? |
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Post by bondygodfatherleek on Oct 26, 2008 0:44:26 GMT
you do, thats the trouble we had in a couple of those countries mentioned real threat to the safety of every free country in the world, that dreaded shite communism . look at china ,totalitarian scum. should never have had the games there, another set of pals for you PC shit heads. you are all a bunch of treacherous bastards. in your world you could not say stuff, as you do, you would just disappear, well heres hoping. Wow...such reasoned argument. Are you Alby Walker in disguise? well for god sake you two ???, are you in the same club McCarthy would have rounded up  ,2 wow,s  are i won,t sleep tonight because of those wow,s. bloody hell, debate my arse. if i had the time like you WOW, wankers on Wednesday, i could give you one hell of a debate. but sadly gladly i have not. far too busy . if i spent more time on here i might just miss a stoke mug, or programme i have not got or a book video etc. any way i might have a national socialist perspective but i do not and will not hide, everybody knows who i am. i have broad enough shoulder to take it as well as give it. the main reason why i do not go into great detail like yourselves is that to a every day type, is that your detailed shit is boring. say it like everybody understands not just you tossers. your pal may love them. but i fucking do not. Born British By The Grace of God. |
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Post by bondygodfatherleek on Oct 26, 2008 0:56:00 GMT
hello serps ,thought i would come back and have a nosey! read it. so some silly headline seeking bitch, British new paper i,ll give you that 1. there is more than you think in our country, Britain's full to the brink, ask your mate bin, any way 9/11 was,nt just about the us. it was about democracy , there were quite a large amount of other nationals that died and badly injured in another cowardly attack. you cannot fight these cowards by bullet or words they believe in dying and going on to their heaven. thats a load of shit to start. there only one place for cowards that hide among st women & children is hell. i have told you before you say its an illegal war brill! take our soldiers & allies out and let them kill each other. like you have said a few times nothing to do with us. a bit like it was nothing to do with us about France ww1. They didn't attack the US because they hate democracy, thats the propaganda spin put on it by our government so they can continue to intervene in the middle east, but sure, ignore the real reasons all you like, but don't expect terrorism to stop. Wether it is today or in another 10 years, sooner or later we're going to have to address the root cause of this terrorism. As we learned with the IRA, the only way to stop these types of groups is dialogue. It's not as if they haven't stated clearly what their grievances are. Most people have chosen to ignore them though. bollocks dialogue, there own kind were getting fed up of them . tit for tat killings bombs, gets a bit shitty at times. i,ve properly told you this before about my dad and he joined the British army to help protect the catholics and he was in the orange order. ulster will always be British end of. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 26, 2008 0:57:17 GMT
Wow...such reasoned argument. Are you Alby Walker in disguise? well for god sake you two ???, are you in the same club McCarthy would have rounded up ,2 wow,s are i won,t sleep tonight because of those wow,s. bloody hell, debate my arse. if i had the time like you WOW, wankers on Wednesday, i could give you one hell of a debate. but sadly gladly i have not. far too busy . if i spent more time on here i might just miss a stoke mug, or programme i have not got or a book video etc. any way i might have a national socialist perspective but i do not and will not hide, everybody knows who i am. i have broad enough shoulder to take it as well as give it. the main reason why i do not go into great detail like yourselves is that to a every day type, is that your detailed shit is boring. say it like everybody understands not just you tossers. your pal may love them. but i fucking do not. Born British By The Grace of God. Crikey...you are as well  |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Oct 26, 2008 11:39:55 GMT
My next door neighbours family are from India and Mr Singh sits in The Seddon Stand..he's been supporting Stoke since 1964...a long time before I did...in the days when white people spat at him and called him 'Paki' all the time...  I thought those days were gone but after reading some of the comments on here, from some of the more psychiatrically-challenged people, I realise they are not.. I lived in Northern Ireland myself, in Belfast, and saw the terrible damage and carnage that was done by two sets of people..living in the same city..because of the hatred they shared for each other...but in another part of Belfast..Malone..Loyalist/Protestants and Nationalist/Catholics..lived side by side throughout all the devastation.. Why? Because they were intelligent to know that hatred was being whipped-up by people on both sides who had a vested interest in doing so.. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 26, 2008 11:44:19 GMT
My next door neighbours family are from India and Mr Singh sits in The Seddon Stand..he's been supporting Stoke since 1964...a long time before I did...in the days when white people spat at him and called him 'Paki' all the time... I thought those days were gone but after reading some of the comments on here, from some of the more psychiatrically-challenged people, I realise they are not.. I lived in Northern Ireland myself, in Belfast, and saw the terrible damage and carnage that was done by two sets of people..living in the same city..because of the hatred they shared for each other... Any political party that tries to set one lot of people against another needs to be surgically removed from the Body-Politic.. +1 and well said Wizzard. |
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Post by serpico on Oct 26, 2008 12:07:20 GMT
They didn't attack the US because they hate democracy, thats the propaganda spin put on it by our government so they can continue to intervene in the middle east, but sure, ignore the real reasons all you like, but don't expect terrorism to stop. Wether it is today or in another 10 years, sooner or later we're going to have to address the root cause of this terrorism. As we learned with the IRA, the only way to stop these types of groups is dialogue. It's not as if they haven't stated clearly what their grievances are. Most people have chosen to ignore them though. bollocks dialogue, there own kind were getting fed up of them . tit for tat killings bombs, gets a bit shitty at times. i,ve properly told you this before about my dad and he joined the British army to help protect the catholics and he was in the orange order. ulster will always be British end of. History has shown that you can't kill your way out of things like this, thats why you have to, sooner or later, open up dialogue, the US had the chance to kill Bin laden in 2001, they either chose not to, for whatever reason, maybe they thought it was beneficial to their agenda to have a Goldstein type character out there, or they totally f-ed up, because he got away through the hindu kush mountains and into Pakistan, the trouble is, the invasion of Iraq, a country that had nothing at all to do with 9/11 and didn't have al qaeda operating there, has caused terrorism to increase 7 fold and has turned al qaeda into a much bigger threat than they were ever before. So now you have a choice, continue this "war on terror" which will almost certainly make sure terrorism isn't eradicated any time soon, and in fact make it worse, or open up some type of dialogue to see if there is anyway it can be resolved peacefully. It would have to be done behind closed doors, a bit like what we're doing now with the Taliban, we're in talks with them via suadi arabia as we speak. I'm not quite sure why we had to make a enemy out of the Taliban in the first place, they were not involved in the attacks of 9/11, and even offered to hand Bin Laden over, on the condition the US provided proof he was behind the attacks, the US turned them down. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7426874.stm |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Oct 26, 2008 12:54:25 GMT
Absolutely spot-on Sepico...
Throughout the 1980's (including the Hunger Strike) the British Government talked with the IRA's Army Council..they were either taken (by helicopter) to London..or British Ministers met them in Derry whilst at the same time appearing on the TV saying that they never spoke to 'Terrorists'...
Both the IRA and The British Government reached the (inevitable) conclusion that there was no military solution to Northern Ireland..only a political one..
The IRA's strategy and tactics bought the Government to the 'negotiating-table' and a deal was (eventually) done..The Good Friday Agreement..
And as you so rightly say.. only a negotiated political-solution can deal permanently with what is..an extremely comlplex-political-situation...invading Countries will only make matters far, far worse..as we are now seeing in Afghanistan..Iraq..etc etc and the deep political turmoil in Pakistan as a result of their stance towards the West..in effect the actions of the USA have de-stabilised the whole region and has made The World a much more dangerous place...
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Post by serpico on Oct 26, 2008 13:12:55 GMT
Absolutely spot-on Sepico... Throughout the 1980's (including the Hunger Strike) the British Government talked with the IRA's Army Council..they were either taken (by helicopter) to London..or British Ministers met them in Derry whilst at the same time appearing on the TV saying that they never spoke to 'Terrorists'... Both the IRA and The British Government reached the (inevitable) conclusion that there was no military solution to Northern Ireland..only a political one.. The IRA's strategy and tactics bought the Government to the 'negotiating-table' and a deal was (eventually) done..The Good Friday Agreement.. And as you so rightly say.. only a negotiated political-solution can deal permanently with what is..an extremely comlplex-political-situation...invading Countries will only make matters far, far worse..as we are now seeing in Afghanistan..Iraq..etc etc and the deep political turmoil in Pakistan as a result of their stance towards the West..in effect the actions of the USA have de-stabilised the whole region and has made The World a much more dangerous place... I agree, but the problem is, our government won't level with us and admit the real reasons why this terrorism exists in the first place, and they want to continue the failed "war on terror" strategy. They tell us the terrorists don't have any grievances and that their motivation is purely based on a hatred for freedom and democracy so there can be no political settlement, which of course, is a wrong diagnosis of the problem, not only wrong, but dangerously wrong imo, they're either lying to us, or are really clueless in saying terrorism exists soley due to a hatred of our way of life and freedom, which is quite handy isn't it ? saying that it has nothing to do with our foreign policy means they can continue it, because it has nothing to do with radicalization, when in actual fact it has EVERYTHING to do with radicalization, you only have to listen to the 7/7 bombers suicide tape message to see that the Iraq war radicalized them. Isn't that strange, they say the terrorists attack because of a hatred of our freedom, yet they are now happily hacking away at our civil liberties, strange that isn't it ?. |
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Post by powchirper on Oct 26, 2008 13:13:47 GMT
All of you have given us a great insight into the history of all things bad about the world today but not one of you have answered my question;
Why are there people in this country that want to kill me as i dont give a two-penny fuck about them or their religion, I dislike Port Vale a lot more than these mongrels but cant for the life of me see Twatters and co planning a suicide mission anytime soon.
Serps; Your sig stinks and mine rocks by the way. ;D
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Post by serpico on Oct 26, 2008 13:15:46 GMT
Absolutely spot-on Sepico... Throughout the 1980's (including the Hunger Strike) the British Government talked with the IRA's Army Council..they were either taken (by helicopter) to London..or British Ministers met them in Derry whilst at the same time appearing on the TV saying that they never spoke to 'Terrorists'... Both the IRA and The British Government reached the (inevitable) conclusion that there was no military solution to Northern Ireland..only a political one.. The IRA's strategy and tactics bought the Government to the 'negotiating-table' and a deal was (eventually) done..The Good Friday Agreement.. And as you so rightly say.. only a negotiated political-solution can deal permanently with what is..an extremely comlplex-political-situation...invading Countries will only make matters far, far worse..as we are now seeing in Afghanistan..Iraq..etc etc and the deep political turmoil in Pakistan as a result of their stance towards the West..in effect the actions of the USA have de-stabilised the whole region and has made The World a much more dangerous place... I agree, but the problem is, our government won't level with us and admit the real reasons why this terrorism exists in the first place, and they want to continue the failed "war on terror" strategy. They tell us the terrorists don't have any grievances and that their motivation is purely based on a hatred for freedom and democracy so there can be no political settlement, which of course, is a wrong diagnosis of the problem, not only wrong, but dangerously wrong imo, they're either lying to us, or are really clueless in saying terrorism exists soley due to a hatred of our way of life and freedom, which is quite handy isn't it ? saying that it has nothing to do with our foreign policy means they can continue it, because it has nothing to do with radicalization, when in actual fact it has EVERYTHING to do with radicalization, you only have to listen to the 7/7 bombers suicide tape message to see that the Iraq war radicalized them. Isn't that strange, they say the terrorists attack because of a hatred of our freedom, yet they are now happily hacking away at our civil liberties, in the name of protecting us from terrorism, strange that isn't it ?. They want to have their cake and eat it, it seems. Just wish they'd stop treating us all like children and come clean, our foreign policy has unintended consequences, we can't expect to go around bombing/occupying countries and not expect blowback from it, not matter how well intended the cause, when you bomb/occupy a country, particularly in that part of the world, there's going to be consequences, it's not hard to understand, really. |
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Post by powchirper on Oct 26, 2008 13:22:09 GMT
We, Who the fuck is this we, not in my name mate, they may steal my money in taxes to do this but cant remember them asking me for my approval, on a tax form they should ask what you want them to spend your hard earned on.
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,2 wow,s 
are i won,t sleep tonight because of those wow,s. bloody hell, debate my arse. if i had the time like you WOW, wankers on Wednesday, i could give you one hell of a debate. but sadly gladly i have not. far too busy . if i spent more time on here i might just miss a stoke mug, or programme i have not got or a book video etc. any way i might have a national socialist perspective but i do not and will not hide, everybody knows who i am. i have broad enough shoulder to take it as well as give it. the main reason why i do not go into great detail like yourselves is that to a every day type, is that your detailed shit is boring. say it like everybody understands not just you tossers. your pal may love them. but i fucking do not. Born British By The Grace of God.
