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Post by RAF on Sept 27, 2008 22:51:13 GMT
My fault, but that is my point. I apologise to anyone that may have been confused.
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Post by swanlandtiger on Sept 27, 2008 22:52:01 GMT
So then RAF you can come to that assumption based on 6 league games can you ??? surely it makes sense to compare both sides at the end of the season, when the season has finished, or is your last word final? Hull Fixtures so far: Fulham (H) - fulham have the worst away record in the league by a country and if hull have any hope of staying up these games need to be victories. Blackburn (A) - not a bad result to be fair, but blackburn had only just appointing Ince so you could argue the home side needed time to gel. wigan (H) - well....again for me wigan at home has to be a game you take at least a point in, and the almighty hull got a severe reality check here. Newcastle (A) - playing against a side in crisis, who i think we would beat at the moment. Everton (H) - a draw was a reasonable result, but in fairness everton aren't playing well at the moment, and we were very hard done by when we played them. Arsenal (A) - credit where it is due an impressive result. But let's remember we have travelled to the reebok stadium and the riverside, two sides with good home form, a trip to anfield is a moutainous task for anyone. Villa at home was a magnficent result, everton was unfortunate, and sadly like most sides will find this season, chelsea are a cut above most teams. But to be honest the league table does no justice, hull have beaten a side with embarassing away form, and a side in crisis, two formalitys for a side looking to stay up. And a good win against arsenal. Compare that to us, we had an excellent victory against villa ( a potential top 5 team ) and a magnificent point at anfield, both sides have recorded excellent results, so lets judge stoke on the wigans, fulhams, hulls and west broms at home, and see then if we win our crucial games. Comparing the two teams ( Stoke and Hull ) by no means would i say there side is anymore superior to ours. Come to your assumptions when the season has finished, not after 6 games, of which they fixtures have been easier. People just love to criticise don't they. "But to be honest the league table does no justice......." I think the phrase you are searching for there is "The table doesn't lie".........But keep up the self-dillusion.
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Post by Done it for scfcbuxton on Sept 27, 2008 23:09:46 GMT
Is it just me who read the opening post and could blatantly see RAF on a wind up
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 28, 2008 1:59:02 GMT
At the moment yes Hull are better than us. The idea their easy start was the only reason is nullified now thay have won at Arsenal. One of the hardest games of the season and they won it.
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Sept 28, 2008 2:54:30 GMT
The Daily Telegraph reveals how Hull City won: 1 Hull manager Phil Brown made sure his team stayed solid by getting men around the ball and filling the danger zone whenever a dangerous cross came in from the flanks. They rode their luck at times but stayed compact and organised. 2 They broke with pace and accuracy and in Marlon King and Daniel Cousin Hull had a pair of strikers who could hold the ball up while back-up gathered. The Arsenal defence, while never overworked, knew they could not afford a slip. 3 Finally, when chances arrived, Hull made sure they made the most of them. Geovanni’s strike was right out of the top drawer while Cousin’s header was splendidly glanced towards the far corner. Having gained the lead, Hull then called on an inspired goalkeeper to ensure it stayed that way. Note the use of TWO strikers. We play with no strikers when Fuller isn't on the pitch. Don't goals win matches?
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Post by stokie63 on Sept 28, 2008 7:23:36 GMT
they have better flair players than us and dont play square pegs in round hole. giavani for creswell on the left who do you prefer. they also have a bit of pace in their ranks to us apart from fuller we dont have any. and in phill brown love or hate him he isnt afraid to attack teams home or away unlike our tone who thinks a 2-0 loss to chelsea is a good result. we buy 2 players on deadline day who could play left wing and what do we get cressie playing there.
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Post by Premier League Bluto on Sept 28, 2008 7:38:14 GMT
imo pointless post,the season is a marathon not a sprint,well find out the answer later in the season. to be fair to stoke the current first teamers had no preseason to get to play alongside each other. as long as were comfortably in contention to survive by the next transfer window we should be reasonably happy. credit to hull theyve got off to a super start lets stop comparing ourselves with hull and west brom.
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Post by nathan on Sept 28, 2008 7:54:50 GMT
I think RAF is sick to the back teeth of the delusional on this board perpetually conjuring reasons as to why Hull have made such an excellent start.
Get a grip, people, give credit where it is due and take the Stoke-tinted specs off.
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Sept 28, 2008 8:45:23 GMT
Have to admit it's a bit like comparing yourself with a neighbour that moved in at the same time as you and watching them build an extension, buy two new cars and ponce around in designer clothes all of a sudden.
Watching them go to the home of a frighteningly good Arsenal and then win takes the edge off our "plucky, but ultimately unsuccessful" results of late.
By the end of November I think we will have a feel for how things will pan out in the long run. Do we need a Geovanni type striker?
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Post by lancer on Sept 28, 2008 9:28:36 GMT
Don't know if they're better than us or not, yet, much to early to decide yet, six games into the season. They are playing well though, and getting some good results, and a few points on the board. Best of luck to them. I'm not really bothered about Hull or the Baggies, matter of fact, I'd love them to do well. I have seen enough of Stoke to be fairly confident that we won't go down come May.
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Post by garyhackett on Sept 28, 2008 9:39:12 GMT
I said at the start of the season that Hull had brought in decent players, Brown is no fool he was no.2 to allardyce during those good Bolton days, the big difference to our squad and theirs is they have BALANCE we dont.
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Post by RAF on Sept 28, 2008 10:09:11 GMT
Nail and Head son!
There is nothing wrong with giving some credit to a team that came up with us. If we had beaten Arsenal at their place in any shape or form most on here would be spunking on TP's car bonnet and screeching for him to be knighted ffs.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 28, 2008 11:32:12 GMT
As has been said there's very little between the two groups of players, if you were going to pick a best 11 out of the two teams you would end up with roughly half theirs and half ours. Their attitude is superb though.
Stoke under TP would never go to Highbury or whatever it's called these days and play the way they did. Consequently the best we could ever do there is draw.
I tend to agree that Hull will probably end up with a few worse beatings than us over the season but they way things are looking they'll get far more points.
There's no point getting in silly debates with understandably cock a hoop Hull fans about who they've played so far, the fact is they are doing brilliantly and they are a breath of fresh air and fair play to them.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 28, 2008 11:40:44 GMT
The difference is mainly that they have more options in their squad for example a player like Giovanni. We are doing ok in 6 or 7 positions but we must sort wide areas out and give players like tonge and soares a chance , also in January we must add players with pace to the squad we are far too slow in getting forward
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 28, 2008 11:44:08 GMT
Watching Hull it stuck out how many players they had forward when they attacked.
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Post by YarnfieldStokie on Sept 28, 2008 12:56:14 GMT
Hull have had a brilliant start and fair fucks to em for it! But it has no bearing on us at the moment and I still think we are doing ok. We now need to start getting points to match the passion, workrate and courage being shown. IMHO we still see the games against Hull, West Brazil, Fulham etc as the "Must win" games and the longer Castle and Spurs fail to get it together they must fall into that category also.
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Post by McLovin on Sept 28, 2008 13:08:27 GMT
why keep on about "giving Dull credit"? It's a Stoke board, not a Dull one.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Sept 28, 2008 13:12:06 GMT
Surely it's about Football in general as well though?
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 28, 2008 13:26:24 GMT
Hull are clearly playing better football than us and getting the results and the Arsenal result was a stunner and deserved. They have attack minded players and play with some flair...We have defensive muscle and grafters so TP plays to this......lets face it TP would NEVER sign a player like Geovanni
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Sept 28, 2008 13:33:47 GMT
Great result for Hull yesterday but to be honest I dont give two hoots about them. We need to focus on ourselves and our own performances.
What worries me the most is that we seem to treat every game like an away match by the way we setup. There were times yesterday when we had the chance to break but looked scared to come forward, and when we did eventually try and come forward we were so slow in doing so. I thought we really missed Delap yesterday and not just for his throws. I feel sorry for Cresswell being played out of position but Pulis cannot keep starting him on the left. He was awful again yesterday. He tried his best but he isnt a left winger simple as. I also thought Lawrence looked poor again yesterday.
I honestly dont know why Pulis signed Kitson if he is going to play him in the mama role. Kitson is a goal poacher. Most of his goals at Reading were scored in or around the 6 yard box, and yet at times yesterday he was sitting deeper than mama. He is being played totally out of position imo. If Pulis wants to keep playing this way we would have been better keeping mama in the mama role and instead of signing Kitson signed Henri Camara to play in Fullers place as the striker if he is going to bring fuller on for the last 45 minutes. Someone with pace who is similar to Fuller in that he can take a man on.
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Post by landofgreenginger on Sept 28, 2008 13:36:08 GMT
I disagree RAF, They have taken an hammering which I don't think we will!! We have played 4 out of the top 6 teams and have done well against them! Although not got the points, we maybe deserved! Our players are better than theirs! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL I REPEAT LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL WHAT A COMPLETE AND UTTER FUCKIN DIMWIT JUST ACCEPT IT CHAPS, 4 POINTS FROM 6 GAMES BUT I'M SURE YOU'LL STAY UP EH COME BACK WHEN YOU'VE ACTUALLY LOOKED ANYTHING OTHER THEN ABSOLUTE SHITE EH?
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Sept 28, 2008 13:40:49 GMT
Have you got nowt better to do than prowl other message boards??
Get a life you sad twat!!!
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Post by You want salad on kebab boss? on Sept 28, 2008 13:41:34 GMT
I agree with RAF which means we ARE better than spurs and castle ;D Spot on reply to an otherwise head mess thread
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Post by landofgreenginger on Sept 28, 2008 13:46:40 GMT
Have you got nowt better to do than prowl other message boards?? Get a life you sad twat!!! seething with rage what an absolute mess of a man you are
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Post by PolPotter on Sept 28, 2008 14:32:32 GMT
You're wrong RAF. (I can't believe he said that, the mad man)
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Post by Bullseye on Sept 28, 2008 14:43:24 GMT
I think we all should admit that Hull have had a good start to the season, and regardless of who they have played, have done well, bar one hammering.
What appears to upset most posters on here RAF, including myself at times, is the fact that Hull SHOULDNT be better than us. They were shite for a few seasons, were 4 points worse than us last season and had to battle through the playoffs while we apparently had 'irons in the fire' for many a signing.
On a personal note, I'd like to thank those useless, overpaid, overhyped, continental, tippy-tappy, mercenary soft-lad shower of shit that call themselves the Arsenal squad. Thanks for not trying against one of our fiercest relegation rivals. We owe you one!
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Post by PolPotter on Sept 28, 2008 14:50:26 GMT
What a load of c**ting rubbish!!!!
Hull have started better than us. That doesn't make them better than us. We shall see who is better when the f**king two teams meet!!
I can't believe this thread.
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Post by RAF on Sept 28, 2008 15:02:21 GMT
Well the table doesn't lie. Some people just need to realise that maybe , just maybe Dull and Brazil have got their shops in order well before us. At the moment Hull are better than us, I'm not saying we can't pull it around, but for those who were predicting Dull to do a Derby, they are certainly making a better go of it than predicted.
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While I agree with that in principle, what pisses me off is that some of our fans have this arrogant chip on their shoulders that we are or should do so much better than Brazil or Dull. Well I prefer the realistic approach and let results do the talking.
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Post by slangking on Sept 28, 2008 15:41:00 GMT
Has this tit now become a Hull fan?
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Post by canadianmoose on Sept 28, 2008 18:45:08 GMT
I know one thing for certain......3 points is 3 points. It doesn't matter at what point of the season you get them, they all count the same in the end. Fair play to Hull. Winning at Arsenal is a MASSIVE result. It puts pressure on us no matter which way you look at it.
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