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Post by RAF on Aug 16, 2008 19:52:44 GMT
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 16, 2008 19:57:07 GMT
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 16, 2008 20:08:15 GMT
Hmmm....
I agree that he's always looked better at left back in the past, but I don't see how switching from one side of the pitch to the other would enable him to run any quicker!
Sadly I think Griff's decline is down to father time prematurely catching up with him, rather than any massive tactical oversight by Pulis. Until we get replacements in though, I would also try him at left back, based on the premise that he can't possibly be worse than he is at right back, rather than through any expectation of him returning to his form of previous years.
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Post by griffoisalegend on Aug 16, 2008 20:11:03 GMT
How can you say that until he's been played and tested in his best position? H...I don't need catnip...just the fact that Pulis has played a right back at left back, a left back at right back and a centre forward at left wing in The Prem is enough to get me dancing madly like my lad's cat after he's been nibbling at it. OS. He's a right footed left back, won't work in the premiership. Ask Derby fans, he got mauled there. He'll be worse on the left, having to cut in all the time .
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Post by RAF on Aug 16, 2008 20:13:54 GMT
Which seems strange the best game I've seen him have and the best goal I've seen him score in the last few years was while he was left back. The real sad fact is that he is not up to Premiership football and hasn't been for 5 years.
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 16, 2008 20:18:29 GMT
Bogdan, if we play him there and he's shyte, I will have absolutely no problem agreeing with you. Until we do, I will consider that the lad has not had a fair chance to prove either way that he is or is not up to the job. Fairynuff?
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 16, 2008 20:19:02 GMT
How can you say that until he's been played and tested in his best position? H...I don't need catnip...just the fact that Pulis has played a right back at left back, a left back at right back and a centre forward at left wing in The Prem is enough to get me dancing madly like my lad's cat after he's been nibbling at it. OS. He's a right footed left back, won't work in the premiership. Ask Derby fans, he got mauled there. He'll be worse on the left, having to cut in all the time . So was Denis Irwin - and he did okay! But, for what it's worth, I agree with Trousers. He is, unfathomably, better at LB. But his legs seem to have gone to the degree that I don't think it'd really matter which position he played.
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Post by boothenpaddock86 on Aug 16, 2008 20:25:37 GMT
tp probably wants to play him on the left BUT has no one better on the right so has to play him their
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Post by RAF on Aug 16, 2008 20:30:13 GMT
Of course.
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Post by garyhackett on Aug 16, 2008 20:32:13 GMT
How many of the 3 goals came from Griffins side or from Griffins mistakes? Exactly mate...NONE
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 16, 2008 20:32:26 GMT
tp probably wants to play him on the left BUT has no one better on the right so has to play him their Wilkinson? Delap? Lewi....nah,
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Post by Beardy200 on Aug 16, 2008 20:50:43 GMT
I'm not going to use Griff as a scape-goat today but the reality is ... left back, right back it doesn't really matter. It's the fact that he seems to have lost 2 yards of pace over the last couple of seasons and in the prem that will generally be exploited. We're big and strong but we could definitley do with some more pace at the back.
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Post by Davef on Aug 16, 2008 22:58:41 GMT
How many of the 3 goals came from Griffins side or from Griffins mistakes? Exactly mate...NONE So the needless free kick he conceded played absolutely no part in the third Bolton goal then?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2008 23:07:10 GMT
What I don't understand about today is why Griff played right back and Wilko left back. Every Stoke fan in the world knows Griff is a better left back and Wilko a right back. So why doesn't SuperTone? That really confused me.
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Post by bigb35 on Aug 16, 2008 23:31:39 GMT
he isnt good enough but how can you drop your captain, he hasnt been appointed that just to be dropped. He needs to do what he did at Coventry last year (and it pains me to say this)he needs to get injured for the team, he hadnt "tweaked" his hamstring last year we wouldnt have gone up, same now, we need him to be out for a couple of games and for his replacement to play a blinder so Griff cant get back in the side. I'm sorry but that is what needs to happen because Pulis wont drop him. The fans can see it, I think Pulis must be able to see it and I think it is getting to the stage where Griff himself is starting to see that he isnt good enough and we would be better off without him
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Post by stokeyy14 on Aug 16, 2008 23:34:05 GMT
I for one do not understand why we are talking about why TP played wilko at left and griff on the right. It really wouldn't of made a pissing diffrence in the end. they are both utter wank. and if we dont sign fullbacks pretty fucking soon then we can just look forward to perfomances like today.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2008 23:34:30 GMT
Griffin getting injured did win us promotion! I agree!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2008 23:35:46 GMT
I for one do not understand why we are talking about why TP played wilko at left and griff on the right. It really wouldn't of made a pissing diffrence in the end. they are both utter wank. and if we dont sign fullbacks pretty fucking soon then we can just look forward to perfomances like today. Erm because ones a left back and ones a right back and the one that is a right back played left and vice versa. Pretty fucking daft don't You agree? ;D
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Post by MrMagic on Aug 16, 2008 23:40:20 GMT
So the needless free kick he conceded played absolutely no part in the third Bolton goal then? Thankyou dave. The voice of reason at last. What everyone needs to realise is that it is not just the 5 or 6 seconds that lead up to a bit of action, but the minutes before them. We do not retain the ball, and we give away needless set pieces. Then, everyone blames one of the centre halves or the keeper because we conceed.
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Post by RAF on Aug 16, 2008 23:43:34 GMT
There are a few supporters today with brown cuffs from polishing turds I'll guarantee.
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Post by jarhead on Aug 16, 2008 23:53:16 GMT
chesterfieldstokie...the 3rd goal came from a free kick that Griffin gave away stupidly right on half time which killed us.
Maybe a tad harsh but you did ask the question and sriously you cannot tell me that Griffin is up to it at this level!?
Oldstokie your so right on the basis Griffin if has to playby our stubborn pig headed manager then he has to play him at left-back.
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Post by cotswoldstokie on Aug 17, 2008 6:30:07 GMT
Griff better at left back? He waswitched to LB at Southampton and he got skinned for pace (admittedly by a player known to be pacey) doesn't that strike you are alarming pacey in the Premiership is the norm, Griff is past it beyond redemption he must be replaced. i have been worried about his role since we got promoted (both full backs need to be replaced) Here's hoping he's replaced before he starts getting booed by his own fans. He isn't carrying an injury this year he's just slow and cannot pass / cross the ball.
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Post by GazMcNicol on Aug 17, 2008 7:14:27 GMT
Does anyone think Griff is having a crisis of confidence? He is lacking pace, but what worries me more is his ball control. How many times at the back end of last season (and a few times in preseason) have we seen him get the ball tangled up beneath his feet. This basic lack of control can lead to opportunities for the opposing side. He does need to be dropped, but the wholesale slating seems to be spreading, and I'm worried this might be projected from the stands. This will only make him less confident, exacerbating the problem. Sooner or later TP has to make a decision on him, but please don't let it get to him being booed, it helps no-one.
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Post by stokeyy14 on Aug 17, 2008 19:47:04 GMT
Bayern, yes daft but really wouldnt of made a diffrence would it?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2008 19:53:15 GMT
Nah playing players in their positions never helps!
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Post by pottersrule on Aug 17, 2008 21:23:57 GMT
When we played Newcastle in the FA cup i thought Wilko and Diko were superb as fullbacks
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Post by BuzzB on Aug 17, 2008 21:52:31 GMT
mcnicol may have a point, could partly be confidence. I say partly because the Griff that came back to us in 2006 used to put his foot on the ball, be composed and timed his tackles. Injuries may be catching up cos he aint been anywhere near the same player since he went to Derby, I for one hope he gets "left out" before the boos start, I'd hate to see that and sure as eggs are eggs he goes out onto that pitch with all the pride in the world. Sadly though it's not good enough.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2008 21:56:10 GMT
What does Pulis see in Griffin? A decent blow job and a stunning cup of tea! Allegedley! Not at all really!
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Post by Winge on Aug 17, 2008 22:01:56 GMT
Griffin left or right back is no good in the premier league. Griffin is he only player i know who plays left back and kicks the ball with his right foot.... poor poor poor .... come on Toni he needs a kick up the back side and needs dropping to show you mean business or else he will do what he did at Derby
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Post by stokieblokie on Aug 17, 2008 22:23:23 GMT
"Does anyone think Griff is having a crisis of confidence?"
Well I would think so if he reads these boards to find everyone blames him for everything.
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