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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 16, 2008 16:57:49 GMT
From the first game he rejoined us on loan, Pulis was practically spunking his trousers over an average debut performance, describing it as "one of the best full-back displays I've ever seen."
At the time most people interpreted this as "I hate Carl Hoefkens because Boskamp signed him, so I'm going to big-up his replacement, who i signed."
Surely he isn't still trying to prove this point is he? Griffin used to be a very good player at championship level,and an OK one in the top flight when he could still run. However, it's been obvious for the last 12 months or so that at the relatively young age of 29, Griffin is on a steep decline in terms of his ability as a footballer. I honestly think i'd have a chance of beating him in a sprint, and believe me, I run about as fast as a slug on crutches.
I've been in a state of alarm all summer about our lack of full-back shaped targets, and it's dawned on me today...does Pulis actually think that Griffin is good enough for the Premiership?
If so, that is really, very, very frightening.
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Post by mosscat on Aug 16, 2008 17:00:37 GMT
a charity case
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2008 17:02:31 GMT
If we can only bring in one new fullback, Griffin will have to stay (unless Dicko can make a bigger step up than wilko managed ... and assuming pugh can't). Shawsy also needs some time to adjust, and will be replaced by Faye I should think. Griff has had worse games than he had today (though that isn't saying much). None of our 14 players woulld have made the Bolton team, on that showing. We have to hope we can find a couple more signings, and a new way to play without relying on Mama as an out ball. It will be a long, hard week for pulis and two very important weeks in the transfer market.  (I'm off to bed, before I start feeling any worse) ah |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Aug 16, 2008 17:02:52 GMT
I've just started a similar thread but seeing as you've written more, i'll stick to this one.
I am very frightened that Pulis will stick with Griffin, and if he does, relegation is a certainty. He is shockingly slow, gets left for dead all the time, and has never looked good since his return to Stoke. Surely his time with Derby last season showed that he isn't good enough for the Premier League?!
This area of the team (full back) has pretty much been ignored by Pulis all summer. And even if he does bring a new full back in, we all know that it will be Wilkinson being dropped!
Hoefkens or Griffin? Hmmmmm...
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 16, 2008 17:04:20 GMT
It's hard not to like his deadpan, dry personality - and you can see him being a good influence in the dressing room.
And he has been a bloody good player. Even as recently as when he first came back on loan in 06-07 he was a damn good player once he got his match fitness up.
But, Christ on a bike, he's been bloody awful since he signed permanently.
I think his injury at Cov played a sizeable role in us going up.
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 16, 2008 17:06:11 GMT
Trousers, Griff at right back is one of the poorest full backs I've seen at Stoke. Griff at left back is a far better proposition. Where did he play today? Work it out for yourself.  OS. |
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Post by Northy on Aug 16, 2008 17:10:09 GMT
Griff at right back, Wilko at left back says it all really. My post at about 12.30 yesterday about the back four was certainly right, it is not a premiership back four, none of them at the moment . Hopefully we will get another 4 or 5 decent players in before the end of August otherwise it is a long Autumn
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Post by Gav_Uttox on Aug 16, 2008 18:29:53 GMT
Griffin since leaving portsmouth is a useless fat greedy shithouse
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Post by DannyStokie on Aug 16, 2008 18:31:31 GMT
Griffin was a disgrace, pulis needs to get rid of him.
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Post by ashbournepotter on Aug 16, 2008 18:36:49 GMT
Griffin was a disgrace, pulis needs to get rid of him. more chance of zigic signing |
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Post by serpico on Aug 16, 2008 18:39:39 GMT
Griffin was a disgrace, pulis needs to get rid of him. more chance of zigic signing  |
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Post by ashbournepotter on Aug 16, 2008 18:41:46 GMT
more chance of zigic signing i share your tears... |
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Post by onebollockbarry on Aug 16, 2008 18:46:47 GMT
Can't pass
Can't run
Reckless tackles
I lost all respect for him when he ran off to Derby then came back here for an easy ride as no bugger else wanted him.
He's just shit and the fact he used to be alright means nothing for the 37 matches.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Aug 16, 2008 18:48:06 GMT
Griffin since leaving portsmouth is a useless fat greedy shithouse You obviously can't possibly be a genuine Stoke fan? No player deserves infantile drivel like that. |
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Post by MrMagic on Aug 16, 2008 18:50:01 GMT
I suspect that what Pulis sees in Griff is a player that he decided he wanted and worked his bag off to bring in. Now that it looks like it might have been a mistake, he is probably reluctant to admit it.
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Post by andypleedsstokie on Aug 16, 2008 18:50:02 GMT
From what I've seen today we need a new right-back and new left-back of Premiership quality, and if possible some new backup cover there too. Who we currently have try hard but I don't think they will be up the necessary standard.
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Post by serpico on Aug 16, 2008 18:52:41 GMT
Arrd work trumps talent every time with TP.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 16, 2008 18:55:21 GMT
He helped Derby to an appalling season and relegation from the Prem and make no mistake about it, he'll do exactly the same for us unless replaced. Every team will go for him.
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Post by Gav_Uttox on Aug 16, 2008 18:59:30 GMT
Griffin since leaving portsmouth is a useless fat greedy shithouse You obviously can't possibly be a genuine Stoke fan? No player deserves infantile drivel like that. I am a genuine stoke fan and thats my take on him I used to be a big fan of Griff and he still looked a class act when rejoining on loan from pompey, but he's never done a stroke since rejoining just turning into walking car crash for Stoke. |
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Post by starkiller on Aug 16, 2008 19:06:56 GMT
Simonsen strikes me as one of only very few dropped by Pulis because of continued poor form.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Aug 16, 2008 19:13:26 GMT
I am a genuine stoke fan and thats my take on him I used to be a big fan of Griff and he still looked a class act when rejoining on loan from pompey, but he's never done a stroke since rejoining just turning into walking car crash for Stoke. Fair enough - that comment I can understand - I know it's easy to get frustrated with our lot at times. |
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 16, 2008 19:23:41 GMT
Ferfuxake, I don't see any fair critisism on here at all. Yes, he is fucking awful playing at right back: yes, he will continue to be fucking awful at right back but Griff is, and always has been, a fucking LEFT BACK! He played at left back when he began his career at Stoke and it was his great performances at LEFT BACK which brought him a move to the top flight. If Pulis moves him to his best position and he is still poor, then that is the time for scathing critism. So, instead of criticising the lad for having a poor game in his worst position, why not direct the same vitriol at the fucking idiot who insists on him playing there?
I've lost count of the number of players who have been villified by the fans at Stoke because Pulis has played them out of position. It's what he does and it's fucking infuriating! One of main reasons we were promoted last season was because Griff got injured while Pulis was playing him at right back. As soon as he put a better right back in his place, we tightened up our defence and never looked back.
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Post by andypleedsstokie on Aug 16, 2008 19:38:29 GMT
I think you make a very valid argument OS, Griffin is a Left Back and will play better in that position. But even there I still wouldn't have him as first choice nowadays if we could bring in another Prem quality Left Back. The decision to play him out of position is of course vintage Pulis and one I don't understand today.
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Post by Irish Stokie on Aug 16, 2008 19:40:38 GMT
Ferfuxake, I don't see any fair critisism on here at all. Yes, he is fucking awful playing at right back: yes, he will continue to be fucking awful at right back but Griff is, and always has been, a fucking LEFT BACK! He played at left back when he began his career at Stoke and it was his great performances at LEFT BACK which brought him a move to the top flight. If Pulis moves him to his best position and he is still poor, then that is the time for scathing critism. So, instead of criticising the lad for having a poor game in his worst position, why not direct the same vitriol at the fucking idiot who insists on him playing there? I've lost count of the number of players who have been villified by the fans at Stoke because Pulis has played them out of position. It's what he does and it's fucking infuriating! One of main reasons we were promoted last season was because Griff got injured while Pulis was playing him at right back. As soon as he put a better right back in his place, we tightened up our defence and never looked back. OS. Cant argue with that, he is useless since joining from Derby. I tught TP had turned over new leaf in getting rid of players with heart but who dont have the quality needed, like he did when replacing Simmo and SJE last season but he seems to have his heart set on Griff at RB. If anyone seen the Arsenal match today they sent everything down Hoefkens side and really identified him as a weak link and thats exactly what every team will do to Griff. We need to replace him soon or we are in big trouble. O and as for his lack of pace, we have Villa with a certain Mr Agbonlahor to expose him so that could be a big problem |
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Post by RAF on Aug 16, 2008 19:41:37 GMT
OS has been at the catnip the senile old scrote. H |
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Post by griffoisalegend on Aug 16, 2008 19:43:00 GMT
From the first game he rejoined us on loan, Pulis was practically spunking his trousers over an average debut performance, describing it as "one of the best full-back displays I've ever seen." At the time most people interpreted this as "I hate Carl Hoefkens because Boskamp signed him, so I'm going to big-up his replacement, who i signed." Surely he isn't still trying to prove this point is he? Griffin used to be a very good player at championship level,and an OK one in the top flight when he could still run. However, it's been obvious for the last 12 months or so that at the relatively young age of 29, Griffin is on a steep decline in terms of his ability as a footballer. I honestly think i'd have a chance of beating him in a sprint, and believe me, I run about as fast as a slug on crutches. I've been in a state of alarm all summer about our lack of full-back shaped targets, and it's dawned on me today...does Pulis actually think that Griffin is good enough for the Premiership? If so, that is really, very, very frightening. Because there's no one better in our squad. Dickinson and Wilkinson are no better. We need signings , Pulis knows that - he SHOULD sign two new full backs. If we stay with Griffin ,we've got a problem. |
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Post by serpico on Aug 16, 2008 19:46:55 GMT
Didn't he play at left back at Derby as well ? I'm sure i saw him highlighted on match of the day by the mighty Alan Hansen a few times.
I like Griff, seems like a good lad and he used to be a great player, i can remember watching him come through the ranks at the back end of the 90's and he was a great little player, tough tackler and quick, i think injuries have taken their toll on him though, he's clearly not the player he once was, wether or not he can recapture the old Griff if moved to his natural position i don't know, but he was part of that defence that set a record for clean sheets.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Aug 16, 2008 19:47:39 GMT
How many of the 3 goals came from Griffins side or from Griffins mistakes?
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Post by GeoffT on Aug 16, 2008 19:50:23 GMT
I'll probably bring on the sliteing, but I agree Griff was awful for the first half, but I think he OK in the second half.
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 16, 2008 19:50:33 GMT
How can you say that until he's been played and tested in his best position? H...I don't need catnip...just the fact that Pulis has played a right back at left back, a left back at right back and a centre forward at left wing in The Prem is enough to get me dancing madly like my lad's cat after he's been nibbling at it. OS. |
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