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Post by vestanpance on Jul 4, 2008 13:06:36 GMT
It's Denis' sister, according to reports*.
*The reports were from Al-Jazeera though, fuzzy-wuzzies.......
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jul 4, 2008 13:19:56 GMT
"Some democrats and several official institutions in democratic countries (as the European Court for Human Rights) argue that Sharia is incompatible with a democratic state.."
"Some controversial sharia laws favour Muslim men, including polygamy and rejection of alimony."
If the two statements above are anything to go by I reckon it's me who should be claiming the "leftie bleeding heart liberal" ground.
As for the name calling. That perhaps points to your own inadequacies.
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Post by vestanpance on Jul 4, 2008 13:21:19 GMT
It probably does. I'll go and ponder my inadequacies.
I must warn you, it may take me a while.
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Post by powchirper on Jul 4, 2008 13:26:20 GMT
Here are the top ten reasons why sharia or Islamic law is bad for all societies.
10. Islam commands that drinkers and gamblers should be whipped. 9. Islam allows husbands to hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives.
8. Islam allows an injured plaintiff to exact legal revenge—physical eye for physical eye.
7. Islam commands that a male and female thief must have a hand cut off. 6. Islam commands that highway robbers should be crucified or mutilated. 5. Islam commands that homosexuals must be executed. 4. Islam orders unmarried fornicators to be whipped and adulterers to be stoned to death. 3. Islam orders death for Muslim and possible death for non—Muslim critics of Muhammad and the Quran and even sharia itself. 2. Islam orders apostates to be killed. 1. Islam commands offensive and aggressive and unjust jihad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2008 13:37:10 GMT
Possibly. I'm happy to label you a racist though. But only because that's what you are. If you weren't a racist, I wouldn't. You are starting to make a bit of a bell end out of yourself here!
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Post by serpico on Jul 4, 2008 14:12:03 GMT
Here are the top ten reasons why sharia or Islamic law is bad for all societies. 10. Islam commands that drinkers and gamblers should be whipped. 9. Islam allows husbands to hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives. 8. Islam allows an injured plaintiff to exact legal revenge—physical eye for physical eye. 7. Islam commands that a male and female thief must have a hand cut off. 6. Islam commands that highway robbers should be crucified or mutilated. 5. Islam commands that homosexuals must be executed. 4. Islam orders unmarried fornicators to be whipped and adulterers to be stoned to death. 3. Islam orders death for Muslim and possible death for non—Muslim critics of Muhammad and the Quran and even sharia itself. 2. Islam orders apostates to be killed. 1. Islam commands offensive and aggressive and unjust jihad. Thats not what is being proposed though.
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Post by supersmashinggreat on Jul 4, 2008 14:38:50 GMT
If these people want some Sharia Law, then they should F*** off somewhere else, its bad enough that these sort are here at all, but if they want to stay they should go by the law of England.
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Post by santy on Jul 4, 2008 14:38:52 GMT
At what point does this stop though, because surely if you draw up a contract saying if someone fails to do something you have developed your own legal code between the two of you, which you both agree to and have signed etc you could kill the milkman for bringing your milk 15 minutes late.
It's a trivialised example, but it goes to show, in theory what can be done with a similar template, it would be classed as discriminatory to only include muslim sharia law, and therefore any one of any religion (and considering I think it takes 3 people on a census to actually make a religion) can make such proposals and the courts would either have to admit to discrimination or accept it too.
It's better to not make any exceptions for any reason, if they wish to live by the sharia laws, as I said before, they can live in the countries that support them in their legal system, you should take the good with the bad, not expect to move to another country, take the good and then change it all to suit what you want without any of the repercussions it used to have.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 4, 2008 14:38:59 GMT
Mary has raised an interesting point
Nothing wrong with that
Why is she being labelled a "racist"?
Whatever happened to freedom of speech?
Strange how some people want to benefit from all the trappings of being a UK Citizen, i;e. schools, hospitals, benefits, public-transport...whilst claiming that their Religion is the most important thing to them.
If Islam is so important, and I respect that, why not live in an Islamic State?
But some people want all the trappings of a Western Democracy AS WELL AS an imported Islamic Religion
Having your cake and eating it I think, it's called, and when you point this out you are immediately labelled "racist" and a card carrying member of the BNP.
Good post Mary
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2008 14:40:00 GMT
Wizard, I'm almost 100% sure vestan wasn't being serious.
He has a warped sense of humour (much like myself).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2008 14:44:12 GMT
Wizard, I'm almost 100% sure vestan wasn't being serious. He has a warped sense of humour (much like myself). You haven't got a warped sense of humour - you are just a cock!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2008 14:47:36 GMT
Like I said, I have a warped sense of cock.
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Post by supersmashinggreat on Jul 4, 2008 14:48:05 GMT
Get it into your heads, There’s no god, no ghost's & a perfectly rational explanation for any* type of phenomena you encounter.
*except UFO's
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Post by serpico on Jul 4, 2008 14:49:41 GMT
If these people want some Sharia Law, then they should F*** off somewhere else, its bad enough that these sort are here at all, but if they want to stay they should go by the law of England. It's the judge who proposed it, probably intentionally trying to cause a friction between us, most muslims in this country don't even want it anyway.
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Post by supersmashinggreat on Jul 4, 2008 14:58:36 GMT
Mmmm, true, true.
My muslim mate, Ayri bi rabbak is against it.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jul 4, 2008 18:09:37 GMT
"Sharia law is already operating in some communities in the UK for civil matters.
But the rulings of the court have no recognition in British law and participants abide by them voluntarily.
Mohammed Sharfiq, of the Ramadhan Foundation, told Sky News it was time for the court rulings to be recognised by British law..."
Thin end of the wedge?
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 4, 2008 18:20:25 GMT
You can hear the cogs whirring...now...shall we support Womens-Emancipation and celebrate Emily Pankhurst and those women who fought for Universal Suffrage...er...but that might offend some Asians who don't regard women as being their equals...er...who should we side with...er..tell you what...lets sit this one out...and call Mary a racist
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jul 4, 2008 18:33:14 GMT
Wizzard
thing is though, I got called a racist on this board by an individual who hasn't got a clue about my race, creed and colour.
the individual obviously hasn't got a clue about the true implications of Sharia.
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Post by Zippy Moon Dust on Jul 4, 2008 18:44:50 GMT
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jul 4, 2008 19:11:20 GMT
;D
very funny Zippy
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Post by DansViews on Jul 4, 2008 19:16:36 GMT
No, if they want their own laws, fuck off to a muslim country.
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Post by Nick1984 on Jul 4, 2008 19:42:22 GMT
There's a place they can already have their lovely Shariah law, it's called the Middle East!
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Jul 4, 2008 19:49:37 GMT
Am I the only person to see the irony that some of the most brutal sentences in Sharia Law, such as cutting off the hand of thieves, executions (all in public) are just the kind of punishments the extreme right-wing politicians in this country who are most vehement in their opposition to all things (they see as ) Islam would love to introduce?
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Post by Nick1984 on Jul 4, 2008 19:52:30 GMT
Isn't it also ironic that the left wing liberals seem to be wanting to hand power to people who don't believe in liberty?
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Post by daverichards on Jul 4, 2008 19:58:18 GMT
its already in use , if a msulim couple want to divorce they goto a sharia court of local muslim elders, if THEY grant a divorce they then get it made legal in a british court .
if thats all they are doing fine, no problem with that
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Jul 4, 2008 20:00:03 GMT
Isn't it also ironic that the left wing liberals seem to be wanting to hand power to people who don't believe in liberty? Entirely agree, and although I'd probably fit into some people's definition of a "left wing liberal", it would be stupid to give religious extremists who don't, as you say, believe in liberty, any power whatsoever.
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Post by Miniman on Jul 4, 2008 20:07:30 GMT
It's terrible that this has arisen at the same time as my thread about my school teacher teaching kids to pray to Allah also came about!!!
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Post by DansViews on Jul 4, 2008 20:20:09 GMT
The Muslim Faith Preaches Hate Anyway!
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Post by powchirper on Jul 4, 2008 20:37:38 GMT
Sharia law / muslims /angry young asians can all fuck off, come Monday morning most police forces in this country will waiting for something like this to happen again by scum like these. Happy 7/7 you Englanders.
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Jul 5, 2008 11:22:33 GMT
This seems to be a good & well-balanced explanation, from today's Guardian:-
Could sharia law work in Britain? Why do pillars of the establishment keep saying that sharia law is inevitable in Britain? First the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, now the lord chief justice, Lord Phillips. They're not part of a giant Muslim conspiracy. The point they are making is that some forms of sharia law have to be permitted in this country if we are to retain important freedoms.
That's a hard point to make when the image of sharia law is of hangings, stonings, and amputations. But that sharia is not the kind of law they are referring to. Phillips and the archbishop are thinking of sharia law as a way of resolving disputes between consenting adults.
This is something British law already allows and the government encourages. There is a huge business in sharia compliant "Islamic finance": sharia compliant bonds are traded on the stockmarket and 21 banks offer sharia-compliant loans. These are more complicated than western ones, because sharia prohibits the payment of interest, so some of the sharpest minds in the Islamic world have been employed to find ways of lending which still reward the lender.
The real trouble comes not with financial instruments of the rich but with the other area where sharia is already practised: family law for the poor. Here it is much more difficult to be sure that the parties involved really are consenting. But that is a difficulty of practice and not of principle.
There is no reason in principle why two believers should not choose to have their divorce arbitrated according to their beliefs and if the result is not repugnant to English law, no reason why it should not be recognised. Andrew Brown
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