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Post by Titan Uranus on Jul 4, 2008 11:42:22 GMT
Is there a place for this in our society?
Is this the start of the road to a separate Muslim society and legal code within the UK.?
Where will this lead?
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Post by vestanpance on Jul 4, 2008 11:44:45 GMT
Where the bloody hell has this come from?
You can't stir the shitpot and then go offline as well, it's considered poor form.
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Post by serpico on Jul 4, 2008 11:47:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2008 11:47:52 GMT
Is this the law that makes it illegal to fuck farm animals?
You’re screwed vestan.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jul 4, 2008 11:49:21 GMT
The Lord Chief Justice
no sh*t stirring, just asking you well informed, intelligent, balanced individuals your opinion.
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Post by vestanpance on Jul 4, 2008 11:50:35 GMT
No, i'm alright. I've still got a pass from the Duke of Renfrewshire.
Before all the idiots get going, let's clarify that they are not suggesting a change to English Common Law, but that it may be useful to use certain areas of Sharia for civil disputes (divorces etc). It makes sense when a Muslim edict is involved that judges get the opportunity to utilise Sharia where appropriate.
I'm not really fucking bothered, as it won't affect me. I'm sure those who enjoy the Daily Hate & Fear with their morning toast will be up in arms about it though, especially seeing as there has been no news on Diana for a while.
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Post by frasier37 on Jul 4, 2008 11:56:36 GMT
Would that give me the right to swap my wife for two camels?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2008 11:58:16 GMT
Yes, 2 one humped camels or 1 two humped camel.
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Post by santy on Jul 4, 2008 12:04:11 GMT
At the end of the day, if you want to live by sharia law there are plenty of countries out there which adopt it and use it, and those are the countries you should live in. Let's face it, if you want to live by american law you should live in america then you can have guns in the house etc and not get in trouble for it.
You can't please everyone, so there is no point in adjusting things to try to do so, how do you prove your muslim? Surely there will be aspects of this law which are basically a workaround for some things we aren't legally allowed to do. I don't think it has a part in English society because, american law has no part in English society, Brazillian law has no part in English society, so why therefore, should Muslim law? If we were to include sharia law for the muslims, surely then it would be discriminatory not to do the same for Jews, Sikhs, Buddhists etc etc.
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Post by vestanpance on Jul 4, 2008 12:04:47 GMT
Frasier,
I've told you before, your not getting two camels for your Mrs.
I'll stretch to a donkey, two ocelots and a ferret with a ropey banjo srting.
I'll say no more about it.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jul 4, 2008 12:05:54 GMT
very public spirited.
NIMBY attitudes on this particular issue somehow don't seem to fit. Society as a whole WILL be affected, good or bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2008 12:07:40 GMT
I will wager you a fiver it doesn't fucking affect me.
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Post by vestanpance on Jul 4, 2008 12:12:22 GMT
No it won't.
The use of Sharia will apply only in civil circumstance. I am pretty sure (and i'm happy to find examples if it appeases your delicate sensibilities) that civil allowances are made for those of the Jewish faith.
You're just trying to stir up a shitstorm with a thinly disguised piece of racial intolerance. Even the BBC article clearly states that this ability to refer to Sharia in civil cases will in no way affect English common law, so what have you got to get offended about?
Bugger all, that's what. It's just another attempt, presumably from someone with right-wing tendancies, to try to push their own agenda when there is no case to argue.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2008 12:14:04 GMT
That's what I said vestan.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jul 4, 2008 12:23:56 GMT
If it's not going to affect society then why is it being introduced into our legal system?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2008 12:25:21 GMT
It’s something to do with global warming and Hugh Jackman.
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Post by vestanpance on Jul 4, 2008 12:26:47 GMT
It is not being introduced into our legal system. That's what the Daily Mail & the BNP want you to believe.
It will be either refered to, or used, where appropriate, in civil cases between two consenting Muslims. Under absolutely no circumstances will it affect English Common Law. Absolutely no circumstances whatsoever.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jul 4, 2008 12:34:03 GMT
UK Muslims will have the right to decide matrimonial, financial and other disputes outside the confines of established British and social boundaries.
That's not affecting society.?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2008 12:39:55 GMT
It is not being introduced into our legal system. That's what the Daily Mail & the BNP want you to believe. It will be either refered to, or used, where appropriate, in civil cases between two consenting Muslims. Under absolutely no circumstances will it affect English Common Law. Absolutely no circumstances whatsoever. What happens if a Muslim man marries an English woman - which law applies??
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Post by vestanpance on Jul 4, 2008 12:48:32 GMT
Any outcome involving Sharia will only be applicable and acceptable if it complies fully with the laws and statutes currently in place. There will be no superceding of English law in any way. Sharia, like the currently used Beit Dinim law regarding the Jewish faith, will be used as negotiating tools. Nobody is going to get their hands chopped off*
There is also no such thing as a social perameter. Society will always grow, change & evolve and the legal system has to adapt also. It's one of the things you should be immensely proud of. The rest of western society seems to like it, they've all modelled their system on ours.
And thinly veiled racism is a bit much on a friday afternoon isn't it? Where you going on your holidays?
* Go on, get it off your chest....."It's only a matter of time"
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Post by powchirper on Jul 4, 2008 12:49:11 GMT
We should take the same attitude as our Australian cousins.
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Post by vestanpance on Jul 4, 2008 12:49:47 GMT
English common law would apply in this case. Sharia law can only be refered to should both parties fully consent.
Seriously, this is BNP mountain out of molehill bollocks.
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Post by powchirper on Jul 4, 2008 12:51:53 GMT
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jul 4, 2008 12:52:19 GMT
don't agree
and you still didn't answer my question
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Jul 4, 2008 12:52:22 GMT
I prefer her brother, Denis.
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Post by vestanpance on Jul 4, 2008 12:55:36 GMT
I did.
"Any outcome involving Sharia will only be applicable and acceptable if it complies fully with the laws and statutes currently in place"
How does that not answer your question?.
I'm glad you disagree with me. I think if we met there would be an awful lot we wouldn't agree upon. Thank you for not labelling me a "leftie" though, or a "bleeding heart liberal". Isn't that what you lot normally call people who prefer to keep a sense of perspective on things and don't get excited because the BNP or the Daily mail tell us to?
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jul 4, 2008 13:02:02 GMT
You are the one who brought politics into the discussion.
The only thing I would suggest "labelling" you is over-sensitive.
Methinks the lady/gentleman doth protest too much.
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Post by powchirper on Jul 4, 2008 13:04:03 GMT
Easy solution, One law for all, No exceptions at all, Zero tollerence, Break the law and pay the penalty and if it means being deported back to where they chop ones head off so be it.
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Post by vestanpance on Jul 4, 2008 13:04:22 GMT
Possibly. I'm happy to label you a racist though. But only because that's what you are.
If you weren't a racist, I wouldn't.
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Post by BrianLeicsStokie on Jul 4, 2008 13:04:41 GMT
I used to know a girl called Sharia Law, a slag by all accounts.
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