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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 29, 2024 19:43:49 GMT
That’s got nothing to do with it. I’m sorry, you’re talking absolute bollocks. In the nicest possible way I agree. It was a silly remark. What I should have said is , you are too stupid to learn from the experience of the past six seasons where we have targeted promotion each time and have failed utterly, finishing in the bottom half each season. Having such a lofty target have only put too much pressure on the players and they have struggled/failed to respond. But you are right in a way. The championship works in such a way that until fairly late in the season when there's a clearer picture, all teams are either chasing promotion or fighting relegation, sometimes both! There is no big six, where you can fill in the clubs that are always up there, as you can in the PL, and there are no teams who are inherently bottom six, because if there was, at some point they would be relegated. Us next season, perhaps. I had a verbal fight like this with someone earlier this year who blew a fuse when I said we had a below mediocre team and we had no business aiming for promotion. You could say I was proven right, but of course I wish I wasn't. And now I think we have the nucleus of an above mediocre team, if we keep the best of them (more than just the Baes and Burgers) together and don't ruin it by bringing in too many new players who don't fit . But unlike previous tds, sds, and selfcentred managers, this time I believe SJW will rise above that and get the work done. Not sure how to react to that post other than I aren’t stupid and I do understand how football works. I’ll sign off by reiterating that if you don’t hold any aspirations and the people at the top don’t then you’re doomed to failure before you’ve begun. That is true in real life and it is in football which at the end of the day is real life
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Post by thornestein on Apr 29, 2024 19:47:08 GMT
I agree. It was a silly remark. What I should have said is , you are too stupid to learn from the experience of the past six seasons where we have targeted promotion each time and have failed utterly, finishing in the bottom half each season. Having such a lofty target have only put too much pressure on the players and they have struggled/failed to respond. But you are right in a way. The championship works in such a way that until fairly late in the season when there's a clearer picture, all teams are either chasing promotion or fighting relegation, sometimes both! There is no big six, where you can fill in the clubs that are always up there, as you can in the PL, and there are no teams who are inherently bottom six, because if there was, at some point they would be relegated. Us next season, perhaps. I had a verbal fight like this with someone earlier this year who blew a fuse when I said we had a below mediocre team and we had no business aiming for promotion. You could say I was proven right, but of course I wish I wasn't. And now I think we have the nucleus of an above mediocre team, if we keep the best of them (more than just the Baes and Burgers) together and don't ruin it by bringing in too many new players who don't fit . But unlike previous tds, sds, and selfcentred managers, this time I believe SJW will rise above that and get the work done. Not sure how to react to that post other than I aren’t stupid and I do understand how football works. I’ll sign off by reiterating that if you don’t hold any aspirations and the people at the top don’t then you’re doomed to failure before you’ve begun. That is true in real life and it is in football which at the end of the day is real life he’s been patronising ppl all day mate , best just to ignore the fool
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Post by a on Apr 29, 2024 19:47:16 GMT
Do you think Derby will be aiming for promotion? Same for Pompey? I don’t see it. The competitive nature of the league is good, the standard for most clubs is why we are where we are. Of course they will. Don’t be daft I get that every team wants to win every game but teams like Rotherham can’t expect promotion.
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Post by jokker on Apr 29, 2024 19:49:03 GMT
I agree. It was a silly remark. What I should have said is , you are too stupid to learn from the experience of the past six seasons where we have targeted promotion each time and have failed utterly, finishing in the bottom half each season. Having such a lofty target have only put too much pressure on the players and they have struggled/failed to respond. But you are right in a way. The championship works in such a way that until fairly late in the season when there's a clearer picture, all teams are either chasing promotion or fighting relegation, sometimes both! There is no big six, where you can fill in the clubs that are always up there, as you can in the PL, and there are no teams who are inherently bottom six, because if there was, at some point they would be relegated. Us next season, perhaps. I had a verbal fight like this with someone earlier this year who blew a fuse when I said we had a below mediocre team and we had no business aiming for promotion. You could say I was proven right, but of course I wish I wasn't. And now I think we have the nucleus of an above mediocre team, if we keep the best of them (more than just the Baes and Burgers) together and don't ruin it by bringing in too many new players who don't fit . But unlike previous tds, sds, and selfcentred managers, this time I believe SJW will rise above that and get the work done. Not sure how to react to that post other than I aren’t stupid and I do understand how football works. I’ll sign off by reiterating that if you don’t hold any aspirations and the people at the top don’t then you’re doomed to failure before you’ve begun. That is true in real life and it is in football which at the end of the day is real life You're not stupid overall, but you are refusing to learn from experience, If you can't do that, and scfc have failed to do so, then at some point, maybe next season, L1 will be waiting. Although I hope I'm wrong. I believe the SS/SJW/JC combo can turn things around.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Apr 29, 2024 19:53:45 GMT
All depends on the summer signings doesn’t it.
With the right players we can have a tilt at the play-offs. I’d settle for top half for a change and continue to build from there.
Anything could happen, I just hope it’s not another relegation battle like this season.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 29, 2024 19:56:34 GMT
Of course they will. Don’t be daft I get that every team wants to win every game but teams like Rotherham can’t expect promotion. They will aim for it at the start of the season, no doubt about it
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 29, 2024 20:00:34 GMT
Not sure how to react to that post other than I aren’t stupid and I do understand how football works. I’ll sign off by reiterating that if you don’t hold any aspirations and the people at the top don’t then you’re doomed to failure before you’ve begun. That is true in real life and it is in football which at the end of the day is real life You're not stupid overall, but you are refusing to learn from experience, If you can't do that, and scfc have failed to do so, then at some point, maybe next season, L1 will be waiting. Although I hope I'm wrong. I believe the SS/SJW/JC combo can turn things around. Previous experience has nothing to do with it. Full pre season with the manager, transfer window and why not? Teams do not have a few bad seasons and throw the towel in and say “well this is us, expect more of the same”. You really need to be more positive. We have as much chance of promotion as anyone, this season is done, it’s been bad, get over it and look forward to 46 games next season to push for the premier league.
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Post by apb1 on Apr 29, 2024 20:04:55 GMT
Luton Town went up. So can we
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Post by yellowsnowman on Apr 29, 2024 20:05:16 GMT
I think the club will set out for a top ten finish. But clearly hope we make the top 6.
Just get the signings right.
As well as the lads leaving at the end of the season. I think they will look to move on vidigal, johnson, leris.
I think Thompson, Stevens will end up signing new deals not so sure on Ty. But him possibly also.
Do we have much dosh in the summer? Do we think or?
Wonder how SJW, Jared and SS work together.
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Post by baconburger on Apr 29, 2024 20:14:58 GMT
That’s got nothing to do with it. I’m sorry, you’re talking absolute bollocks. In the nicest possible way I agree. It was a silly remark. What I should have said is , you are too stupid to learn from the experience of the past six seasons where we have targeted promotion each time and have failed utterly, finishing in the bottom half each season. Having such a lofty target have only put too much pressure on the players and they have struggled/failed to respond. But you are right in a way. The championship works in such a way that until fairly late in the season when there's a clearer picture, all teams are either chasing promotion or fighting relegation, sometimes both! There is no big six, where you can fill in the clubs that are always up there, as you can in the PL, and there are no teams who are inherently bottom six, because if there was, at some point they would be relegated. Us next season, perhaps. I had a verbal fight like this with someone earlier this year who blew a fuse when I said we had a below mediocre team and we had no business aiming for promotion. You could say I was proven right, but of course I wish I wasn't. And now I think we have the nucleus of an above mediocre team, if we keep the best of them (more than just the Baes and Burgers) together and don't ruin it by bringing in too many new players who don't fit . But unlike previous tds, sds, and selfcentred managers, this time I believe SJW will rise above that and get the work done. So let me get this right you don't set ambitious targets because the players are mentally weak and many fans haven't learned to cope with disappointment FFS. Lets just make it one of those games where everybody wins
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 29, 2024 20:16:47 GMT
I agree. It was a silly remark. What I should have said is , you are too stupid to learn from the experience of the past six seasons where we have targeted promotion each time and have failed utterly, finishing in the bottom half each season. Having such a lofty target have only put too much pressure on the players and they have struggled/failed to respond. But you are right in a way. The championship works in such a way that until fairly late in the season when there's a clearer picture, all teams are either chasing promotion or fighting relegation, sometimes both! There is no big six, where you can fill in the clubs that are always up there, as you can in the PL, and there are no teams who are inherently bottom six, because if there was, at some point they would be relegated. Us next season, perhaps. I had a verbal fight like this with someone earlier this year who blew a fuse when I said we had a below mediocre team and we had no business aiming for promotion. You could say I was proven right, but of course I wish I wasn't. And now I think we have the nucleus of an above mediocre team, if we keep the best of them (more than just the Baes and Burgers) together and don't ruin it by bringing in too many new players who don't fit . But unlike previous tds, sds, and selfcentred managers, this time I believe SJW will rise above that and get the work done. So let me get this right you don't set ambitious targets because the players are mentally weak and many fans haven't learned to cope with disappointment FFS. Lets just make it one of those games where everybody wins Pretty much I’d say
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Post by flea79 on Apr 29, 2024 20:18:02 GMT
Financially the prem is great but it’s a shit league unless your one of the established big teams, the best we could ever hope for every season is just not getting relegated, wait what am I saying that’s what we are doing already…
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Post by walrus on Apr 29, 2024 20:21:32 GMT
We should aim for promotion. Anything else is defeatist for a club of our financial clout. However, realistically I’d be pretty happy if we finish in the top half, which we’ve done only three times in the last sixteen seasons, and win more league games than we lose, which we’ve done only once in the last sixteen seasons. It would also be nice if we could retain a manager for the entire season, which we’ve only done twice in the last seven seasons. I’d also like to not leave any home games thinking “Why did I bother today?”. Does FFP still apply? I thought that’s what is stopping us using our “financial clout”? We could get playoffs, or could get 21st. Its not Football Manager… Yes it absolutely still applies. But even within the confines of that we still have financial backing that would be the envy of the most other clubs. The Bet365 Group (IE the Coates family) wrote off £120 million of the club’s debt. Few other owners would be capable of doing that, let alone willing. What’s Football Manager got to do with it? A team on that could get playoffs or 21st too.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Apr 29, 2024 21:20:15 GMT
I agree. It was a silly remark. What I should have said is , you are too stupid to learn from the experience of the past six seasons where we have targeted promotion each time and have failed utterly, finishing in the bottom half each season. Having such a lofty target have only put too much pressure on the players and they have struggled/failed to respond. But you are right in a way. The championship works in such a way that until fairly late in the season when there's a clearer picture, all teams are either chasing promotion or fighting relegation, sometimes both! There is no big six, where you can fill in the clubs that are always up there, as you can in the PL, and there are no teams who are inherently bottom six, because if there was, at some point they would be relegated. Us next season, perhaps. I had a verbal fight like this with someone earlier this year who blew a fuse when I said we had a below mediocre team and we had no business aiming for promotion. You could say I was proven right, but of course I wish I wasn't. And now I think we have the nucleus of an above mediocre team, if we keep the best of them (more than just the Baes and Burgers) together and don't ruin it by bringing in too many new players who don't fit . But unlike previous tds, sds, and selfcentred managers, this time I believe SJW will rise above that and get the work done. Not sure how to react to that post other than I aren’t stupid and I do understand how football works. I’ll sign off by reiterating that if you don’t hold any aspirations and the people at the top don’t then you’re doomed to failure before you’ve begun. That is true in real life and it is in football which at the end of the day is real life You're not stupid Badger, you're just a very naughty boy.
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Post by a on Apr 29, 2024 21:39:44 GMT
Does FFP still apply? I thought that’s what is stopping us using our “financial clout”? We could get playoffs, or could get 21st. Its not Football Manager… Yes it absolutely still applies. But even within the confines of that we still have financial backing that would be the envy of the most other clubs. The Bet365 Group (IE the Coates family) wrote off £120 million of the club’s debt. Few other owners would be capable of doing that, let alone willing. What’s Football Manager got to do with it? A team on that could get playoffs or 21st too. I don’t know enough about the finances of the club to provide any comment but I know many others have dabbled in it and I’ve not seen anything to suggest we can spend a fortune to be honest.
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Post by hotterpotter on Apr 30, 2024 9:13:21 GMT
While anything can happen, realistic aim would be lower play-off slot (say 5 or 6 more wins over the season). Top end of play-offs/auto promotion seems unrealistic.
On a game by game basis, of course you try and win every one you start, or what would be the point.
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Post by jokker on Apr 30, 2024 9:21:06 GMT
You're not stupid overall, but you are refusing to learn from experience, If you can't do that, and scfc have failed to do so, then at some point, maybe next season, L1 will be waiting. Although I hope I'm wrong. I believe the SS/SJW/JC combo can turn things around. Previous experience has nothing to do with it. Full pre season with the manager, transfer window and why not? Teams do not have a few bad seasons and throw the towel in and say “well this is us, expect more of the same”. You really need to be more positive. We have as much chance of promotion as anyone, this season is done, it’s been bad, get over it and look forward to 46 games next season to push for the premier league. I'm the one who kept saying we weren't going down when everyone seemed to think we already were in the final few weeks, pointing out how relatively good the table looked for us. You have to be realistic as well as hopeful. There's no way that you can categorically say we won't get promoted - all it will take is for us to win all our games next season, but again that's not very realistic. A few unbeaten runs of several wins in a row would make a world of difference, but when was the last time we were capable of that. Not since O'Neill's first year has that been done. We don't have a good record of this 'gel' business. None of Neil/Martin's 18 new boys hit the ground running, many never did, and the five coming in since SS arrived haven't been instant hits either. So what are our chances of having a settled team if we bring in 10 new players in August? Not good, I'd say. If it takes until April before the manager dares to select unchanged teams, then I don't have to tell you what's not happened. Therefore I say set realistic targets, concentrate on having a sustainable team squad, and then we can change the targets, if we have a good team.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Apr 30, 2024 9:27:07 GMT
Previous experience has nothing to do with it. Full pre season with the manager, transfer window and why not? Teams do not have a few bad seasons and throw the towel in and say “well this is us, expect more of the same”. You really need to be more positive. We have as much chance of promotion as anyone, this season is done, it’s been bad, get over it and look forward to 46 games next season to push for the premier league. I'm the one who kept saying we weren't going down when everyone seemed to think we already were in the final few weeks, pointing out how relatively good the table looked for us. You have to be realistic as well as hopeful. There's no way that you can categorically say we won't get promoted - all it will take is for us to win all our games next season, but again that's not very realistic. A few unbeaten runs of several wins in a row would make a world of difference, but when was the last time we were capable of that. Not since O'Neill's first year has that been done. We don't have a good record of this 'gel' business. None of Neil/Martin's 18 new boys hit the ground running, many never did, and the five coming in since SS arrived haven't been instant hits either. So what are our chances of having a settled team if we bring in 10 new players in August? Not good, I'd say. If it takes until April before the manager dares to select unchanged teams, then I don't have to tell you what's not happened. Therefore I say set realistic targets, concentrate on having a sustainable team squad, and then we can change the targets, if we have a good team. I agree and therefore declare that we must go into the season with the realistic aim of winning every game, going up as champions with an open top bus parade to finish off a memorable season.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 30, 2024 9:29:52 GMT
Top half, for the first time since we were relegated back into the Championship.
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Post by vidigoals on Apr 30, 2024 9:53:52 GMT
I don't think this seasons position will have any bearing on next, take last years table for example -
6 - Sunderland 7 - Blackburn 8 - Millwall.
Currently occupying 15, 16 and 19 respectively.
Hull finished 15th last year & after some good recruitment this year they're in with a chance of the play-offs with a game to go. Norwich finished 13th, comfortable play-off spot this year. And of course Ipswich weren't even in the division.
We have a platform now to go on and secure 6-7 first team players that will take this team from consistently average, to performing at a good level week-in, week-out. And in reality that's all you need to do well in this league. We've shown we can perform at a top-level recently, but just as much we've shown we can be utterly awful. Consistency and a constant flow of points and we'll do just fine.
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Post by SCFC92 on Apr 30, 2024 10:22:21 GMT
Take the PPG since Middlesborough in March. (I take this match as the start point as it was the first game afer RM where JW and SS actually had a chance to sit down and discuss plans / requirements).
PPG Since then is 1.64 (rounded) That over a 46 game season is 75pts (rounded)
That would get us in the playoffs this year. And would only be 4 points off our promotion season.
This should be the aim, it hopefully won't take the threat of relegation to ignite the team next season.
Playoffs minimum for me.
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Post by stokiemac on Apr 30, 2024 11:15:33 GMT
Our aim every season should be play-offs minimum regardless of what's gone before. We have ridiculous backing compared to almost every other team and regardless of FFP there is no team we can't compete with for recruitment outside of the relegated Prem teams. In this league your fortunes can change very fast, get the recruitment right and we have a more than sporting chance of being in the conversation
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 30, 2024 11:22:13 GMT
Of course they will. Don’t be daft I get that every team wants to win every game but teams like Rotherham can’t expect promotion. There's a difference between expecting and aiming. We have to have ambition or what's the point?
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 30, 2024 11:25:02 GMT
I don't think this seasons position will have any bearing on next, take last years table for example - 6 - Sunderland 7 - Blackburn 8 - Millwall. Currently occupying 15, 16 and 19 respectively. Hull finished 15th last year & after some good recruitment this year they're in with a chance of the play-offs with a game to go. Norwich finished 13th, comfortable play-off spot this year. And of course Ipswich weren't even in the division. We have a platform now to go on and secure 6-7 first team players that will take this team from consistently average, to performing at a good level week-in, week-out. And in reality that's all you need to do well in this league. We've shown we can perform at a top-level recently, but just as much we've shown we can be utterly awful. Consistency and a constant flow of points and we'll do just fine. The volatile nature of the league means that anything can happen. Work hard on and off the pitch, get your recruitment right, start well and get momentum and good things will happen. Walters and Schumacher are desperate to do well and will put in the effort, unlike the two previous no marks.
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Post by a on Apr 30, 2024 11:55:51 GMT
I get that every team wants to win every game but teams like Rotherham can’t expect promotion. There's a difference between expecting and aiming. We have to have ambition or what's the point? A agree. It’s a very good point you make. Everyone has ambitions of achieving great things but there must be an element of realism in there, otherwise all fans would be disappointed every season unless they win something like a cup or promotion etc.
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Post by dirtclod on Apr 30, 2024 11:56:49 GMT
Go into each match expecting to win then let the chips fall where they may. No more "setting up to not lose." We have nothing to fear from any team in this league. I gave up predicting any results last year after missing yet again on another 11th place predicted finish. There's a lot of parity in this league and we never know who we've got until the end of the transfer window. So only expecting that we continue to establish an identity, play as a team, learn how to score goals, defend and play for 90+. Not a night and day difference, but something that at least resembles consistency and a grasp of fundamentals. If we did just that then we'd certainly be in the top half or higher.
I think Schu realizes the value of player-rotation and knows how to make substitutions. That's one thing past managers here ignored, or were too scared to employ because we had a bloated, but shallow squad talent-wise. We'd end up with a festival of injuries because none of them ever got our players properly fit. I want to see the end of that. Shore up the squad as best we can, let Bae Junho bring back 4 of his football-playing friends, get them all in playing trim and go again.
Glad to see Schu get a preseason with whatever we assemble. That alone should make a positive difference.
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Post by jokker on Apr 30, 2024 12:14:26 GMT
I'm the one who kept saying we weren't going down when everyone seemed to think we already were in the final few weeks, pointing out how relatively good the table looked for us. You have to be realistic as well as hopeful. There's no way that you can categorically say we won't get promoted - all it will take is for us to win all our games next season, but again that's not very realistic. A few unbeaten runs of several wins in a row would make a world of difference, but when was the last time we were capable of that. Not since O'Neill's first year has that been done. We don't have a good record of this 'gel' business. None of Neil/Martin's 18 new boys hit the ground running, many never did, and the five coming in since SS arrived haven't been instant hits either. So what are our chances of having a settled team if we bring in 10 new players in August? Not good, I'd say. If it takes until April before the manager dares to select unchanged teams, then I don't have to tell you what's not happened. Therefore I say set realistic targets, concentrate on having a sustainable team squad, and then we can change the targets, if we have a good team. I agree and therefore declare that we must go into the season with the realistic aim of winning every game, going up as champions with an open top bus parade to finish off a memorable season. Sleep well in your continued dreams...
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Post by mtrstudent on Apr 30, 2024 14:21:26 GMT
I don't think this seasons position will have any bearing on next, take last years table for example - 6 - Sunderland 7 - Blackburn 8 - Millwall. Currently occupying 15, 16 and 19 respectively. Hull finished 15th last year & after some good recruitment this year they're in with a chance of the play-offs with a game to go. Norwich finished 13th, comfortable play-off spot this year. And of course Ipswich weren't even in the division. We have a platform now to go on and secure 6-7 first team players that will take this team from consistently average, to performing at a good level week-in, week-out. And in reality that's all you need to do well in this league. We've shown we can perform at a top-level recently, but just as much we've shown we can be utterly awful. Consistency and a constant flow of points and we'll do just fine. Top post mate. I'd be happy with showing some spirit, entertaining football and the top half, but the league's a bit crap so no reason we can't hope for playoffs.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Apr 30, 2024 15:19:55 GMT
I agree and therefore declare that we must go into the season with the realistic aim of winning every game, going up as champions with an open top bus parade to finish off a memorable season. Sleep well in your continued dreams... I do mate every night.
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Post by jokker on Apr 30, 2024 15:43:43 GMT
Sleep well in your continued dreams... I do mate every night. And in the daytime
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