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Post by fca47 on Apr 28, 2024 10:36:54 GMT
I don't think I'm going to bother with the forecasts this year, I had us finishing 5th, that's from the top not the bottom of the table.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Apr 28, 2024 10:46:53 GMT
We've barely looked like finishing in the top half since relegation. A top half finish is a realistic aim now, as we don't have the ball and chain of all those high earners we had and we have a few talented players who should only get better, especially if we sign quality around them.
Schumacher came here to be part of a promotion-chasing team, and if you're in the top half in the Championship then anything is possible. I'm hoping for playoffs of course. If everything happens to click (UNLIKELY) then even automatic promotion is a possibility, this being the Championship (I don't subscribe to it being a crap league - most teams in the Championship would still be competitive in other top leagues around the world outside a few).
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Post by LDE76 on Apr 28, 2024 11:19:46 GMT
Am I reading this right? On the one hand we have just had one of the worst seasons in 20 years but it's also realistic to go from that to a promotion campaign? Yep, I'm the worlds most pessimistic man Another poster: "Hopd my beef."
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Post by GrahamHyde on Apr 28, 2024 11:22:33 GMT
12th.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 28, 2024 11:22:42 GMT
Yep, I'm the worlds most pessimistic man Another poster: "Hopd my beef." This will get nowhere near the recognition it deserves.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 28, 2024 11:29:58 GMT
Pedantically, if we get something out of the Bristol City game then it'll actually be the joint worst season in 20 years or second worst season in 20 years. In terms of points, if we draw our last game we will go past last seasons tally (53), A win will take us past the 55 points we got in 18/19 and level with the 56 we finished with in 19/20. Oops. My mistake.
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Post by dirtclod on Apr 28, 2024 11:31:32 GMT
Of course the aim is always promotion, just like you should approach every game as winnable.
But now departing la la land station....11th or 12th would be an accomplishment. This club/team nowhere near ready for promotion, need a decent season first that at least has a couple weeks of stability. Build the progress from where we are at right now, playing like a team. (Who play on the same team) It's a long season, get in the top half and as previously pointed out, nearly anything can happen.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 11:49:15 GMT
Flirting with the playoffs,but finish around 8th.
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 28, 2024 11:55:12 GMT
The margins are so fine in the championship, we should absolutely aiming for too 10, with a realistic flirt on the play offs..
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Post by rushy on Apr 28, 2024 11:57:13 GMT
Looking at this seasons table would suggest that, for a promotion push next year, we need to be conceding around 20 less goals and scoring at least 30 more than this term. So the issues are at both ends of the pitch fairly evenly but emphasis on scoring more I'd say.
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Post by smiler_andy on Apr 28, 2024 12:13:24 GMT
Not sacking the manager after 10 games with another change in direction will help.
On a more serious note hoping off the field we get it right concerning recruitment and having the right DNA at the club.
That there is a clear pathway for academy players to get into the team.
Top half finish should be minimum if we get the above things I mentioned right.
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Post by baconburger on Apr 28, 2024 12:21:24 GMT
Looking at this seasons table would suggest that, for a promotion push next year, we need to be conceding around 20 less goals and scoring at least 30 more than this term. So the issues are at both ends of the pitch fairly evenly but emphasis on scoring more I'd say. So you want to score less than all but 1 of the current top 6 but concede less than 5 of them. Can't say I've ever seen the fascination with defensive matters that seems to afflict such a high proportion of Stoke fans.
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Post by Picasso on Apr 28, 2024 12:26:32 GMT
Our last eleven league games have seen us gain 18 points. That is relatively comfortably play-off form. We’re on an upward trajectory, but Summer recruitment is massively crucial.
This league can easily see play-off contenders one year scrap for survival the next (Barnsley, recently) or vice versa. Look at Ipswich this year, as a newly promoted team, too. Even ourselves, having had a shocker needed to turn just 6 losses into wins over a 46 game season (or thereabouts) which, considering how bad we’ve been and how long the season is, isn’t that huge a difference, really.
Basically, we’ve got to go for it!
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Post by lordb on Apr 28, 2024 12:29:43 GMT
Where is Tachyon?
We need his impartial stats Think I'm right in saying our conversion rate is the lowest in the division think we also have a very high proportion of dangerous attacking situations with no shot at the end of it
In other words we are not set up as a defensive side particularly we are just rubbish at turning good attacks into shots and even worse at turning shots into goals
We saw that yesterday, should have scored at least 2 more
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Post by Waggy on Apr 28, 2024 12:34:03 GMT
Let’s be honest, to finish at even having a go to reach the play offs would be a welcome change after the last 5 years. I’m hoping for 9th or above. How we have finished and how the manager seems to have galvanised us we could easily get to the play offs, it’s just about if we sign a commanding centre back and good goal scorer
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Post by baconburger on Apr 28, 2024 12:34:40 GMT
Our last eleven league games have seen us gain 18 points. That is relatively comfortably play-off form. We’re on an upward trajectory, but Summer recruitment is massively crucial. This league can easily see play-off contenders one year scrap for survival the next (Barnsley, recently) or vice versa. Look at Ipswich this year, as a newly promoted team, too. Even ourselves, having had a shocker needed to turn just 6 losses into wins over a 46 game season (or thereabouts) which, considering how bad we’ve been and how long the season is, isn’t that huge a difference, really. Basically, we’ve got to go for it! Sort of my point to the poster above. That what the current league table should be telling us is that whilst it would obviously be nice to improve defensively, it's absolutely essential that we score a lot more goals if we want to do anything other than struggle at the wrong end of the table. our issues are nothing like of an equal nature.
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Post by Picasso on Apr 28, 2024 12:47:01 GMT
Our last eleven league games have seen us gain 18 points. That is relatively comfortably play-off form. We’re on an upward trajectory, but Summer recruitment is massively crucial. This league can easily see play-off contenders one year scrap for survival the next (Barnsley, recently) or vice versa. Look at Ipswich this year, as a newly promoted team, too. Even ourselves, having had a shocker needed to turn just 6 losses into wins over a 46 game season (or thereabouts) which, considering how bad we’ve been and how long the season is, isn’t that huge a difference, really. Basically, we’ve got to go for it! Sort of my point to the poster above. That what the current league table should be telling us is that whilst it would obviously be nice to improve defensively, it's absolutely essential that we score a lot more goals if we want to do anything other than struggle at the wrong end of the table. our issues are nothing like of an equal nature. Definitely! ‘Goals For’ have been by far the biggest problem, this season. I think that chance creation and quality has improved, with Schumacher though, but it’s a proper finisher that will massively boost things. As mentioned above, we should have scored more than 1 yesterday. The efforts on goal were there, including 8 on target…
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Apr 28, 2024 12:50:32 GMT
I'll go with top half.
Given our finishes since we've come down that would be a bonus.
It should be a much more open league next year given who come down. Burnley you would think would be up there but the rest are no great shakes.
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Post by Gods on Apr 28, 2024 12:59:59 GMT
The margins are so fine in the championship, we should absolutely aiming for too 10, with a realistic flirt on the play offs.. Good to see lots of flirting in this thread ! That's what we need next season, some jeopardy, some frisson, just something to get excited about again!
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Post by baconburger on Apr 28, 2024 13:07:43 GMT
Sort of my point to the poster above. That what the current league table should be telling us is that whilst it would obviously be nice to improve defensively, it's absolutely essential that we score a lot more goals if we want to do anything other than struggle at the wrong end of the table. our issues are nothing like of an equal nature. Definitely! ‘Goals For’ have been by far the biggest problem, this season. I think that chance creation and quality has improved, with Schumacher though, but it’s a proper finisher that will massively boost things. As mentioned above, we should have scored more than 1 yesterday. The efforts on goal were there, including 8 on target… Yes definitely we started creating more chances when Schu arrived but we weren't putting anywhere near enough of them away which resulted in him having to swallow his principals (or being told to) and play some very attritional stuff to grind out the necessary points pre Plymouth game. I like the recruitment model of speculating on potential mainly from abroad but would like a known goal scorer to compliment them. Output needs to be emphasised in all outfield positions ie CB's should be getting more from set plays. Players need to be braver on the ball, more positive and make quicker decisions (Junho). They should never feel like there will be an inquest into them trying something positive but a serious monitoring of players who always try to pass the buck and let someone else take responsibility for making something happen. £50 donation into a charity box everytime anyone goes back to the keeper.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 28, 2024 13:08:55 GMT
Top then with more than 65 points and I will say we've had a good season.
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Post by yellowsnowman on Apr 28, 2024 13:41:09 GMT
Automatic promotion would be unrealistic but not at the same time this league is so unpredicatble. Clearly we need a great summer wheeling and dealing. And if we can do that then anywhere from 1 - 6 would be a great season and 6-10 would be a good one.
All depends who comes in who leaves. What can we spend? Has SS and Walters already got a list of players they want? Have we already got wheels in motion for some players?.
Id be happy if we could manage a top 10 finish and thrilled if in the top 6.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 28, 2024 13:57:31 GMT
I think we should set our goal high and aim to be in the playoff picture but not be disappointed with a mid table finish.
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Post by baconburger on Apr 28, 2024 14:23:18 GMT
I think we should set our goal high and aim to be in the playoff picture but not be disappointed with a mid table finish. I don't know why you want to set your goal so low. 1st, then 2nd, then 3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th, then 7th to 10th, then top half, then just enjoy more games than last season, then avoid relegation. Not sure why people are so keen to avoid disappointment it's something they should really have got over by the time they leave infants school.
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Apr 28, 2024 14:33:35 GMT
1. Better home record 2. Better strikers/more goals 3. 9th place or better 4. More consistent starting XI 5. Get an identity as a team 6. The fans look forward, not back
Would do for me, as progress.
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Post by apb1 on Apr 28, 2024 15:20:35 GMT
We have to aim for playoffs. If Manhoef, Burger and Bae develop enough to really deliver on their early promise, and we can add a couple more of their calibre, I don't see why we shouldn't get there. Our new manager's record over his 23 games is not great - around 1.25 points per game. But in our last 12 it's 1.5 per game. With 2 or 3 high quality additions you'd expect that or a bit more to be our average return.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2024 15:22:37 GMT
1st with record points.
In all seriousness anything less than play offs is a failure. The league is full of absolute garbage.
I can count on one hand the amount of teams I saw down the Brit and thought they’re half decent. The rest were all much and much the same.
With our facilities and financial backing (if we can spend it) top 6 should be the aim and nothing less.
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Post by deeside2 on Apr 28, 2024 15:26:25 GMT
Big transfer window ahead but if it goes well (ins and outs) I'm hoping for top half and think we'll finish around 9th or 10th. The following season is the playoff/automatic aim.
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Apr 28, 2024 15:30:10 GMT
Promotion. This league is fucking shit. You don’t need to be good to get out of it. I agree you don't have to be good to get out of the league but disagree about the league being shit 😂 for a second division, there are quite a lot of teams that play decent football
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on Apr 28, 2024 15:50:53 GMT
Now we know we have a 7th consecutive crack at this Championship thing starting in August. We'll thankfully be shut of Leicester and hopefully Leeds as well and Sheffield United and likely Burnley and Luton coming down from the Prem won't exactly tear up any trees. It must be to get involved at the business end of the table, a flirtation with the play-off competition at least? Last time Burnley were in this league under Kompany they romped it. The league is low on quality and anyone half decent will do well if they can cope with the attritional nature of the fixtures coming thick and fast. It does astonish me how many fans of Leicester and Southampton have seemingly moaned about possession focused football this season, despite the fact it’s pretty obvious that a lot of their success is getting 40 odd games out of most of their best players. Compare it to us where only 4 players have managed that tally. It’s not just because we’re having to spend a lot more game time chasing the ball, but it’s not a complete coincidence either.
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