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Post by Gods on Apr 28, 2024 9:55:43 GMT
Am I reading this right? On the one hand we have just had one of the worst seasons in 20 years but it's also realistic to go from that to a promotion campaign? Yep, I'm the worlds most pessimistic man but I really think it is. There is so little in this league between a team finishing 17th and one finishing 6th. We would need momentum, that precious commodity momentum!
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 28, 2024 9:57:36 GMT
Defence is fine/OK, it's no worse than West Brom or Norwich defence Can't agree at all. Cb's are consistently too weak. Our rb can't defend Our lb is aging and injury prone. Our goalkeeper is on loan and poor at crosses. And our main central and right defenders are also on loan. We need at least 4 new players in defence and goalkeeper slots next season just to replace the ones that are finally looking to gel now (the benefit of loans).
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 28, 2024 9:59:06 GMT
Can't agree at all. Cb's are consistently too weak. Our rb can't defend Our lb is aging and injury prone. Our goalkeeper is on loan and poor at crosses. And our main central and right defenders are also on loan. We need at least 4 new players in defence and goalkeeper slots next season just to replace the ones that are finally looking to gel now (the benefit of loans). And this, I don't want "defenders" who consistently have lapses in concentration either. All of our defence have been guilty of doing this.
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Post by lordb on Apr 28, 2024 10:00:06 GMT
Defence is fine/OK, it's no worse than West Brom or Norwich defence Can't agree at all. Cb's are consistently too weak. Our rb can't defend Our lb is aging and injury prone. Our goalkeeper is on loan and poor at crosses. So why does the goals against column not reflect that? Would suggest that Hoever can and does defend well enough most games, as he did yesterday agree re Stevens He's not poor on crosses at all, iffy with his feet mind but overall he's a decent keeper for this level as he's clearly shown once he had a run of games MacNally wins tons of headers, one of the most in the league They don't get bullied that's an absolute myth Where they are weak is the early ball in behind, we keep getting done by that Very young defence they will all get better as they play more games Meanwhile at the other end we are bottom 3 or 4 for goals scored
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Post by pmjh on Apr 28, 2024 10:01:32 GMT
The last 10 games we've averaged 1.5 points a game . Over a season that's 69 points which is not far off top 6 (last year it was top 6). So with good recruitment i'd say play offs is a realistic aim. I'd be happy with top 10 and flirting with the play offs. The effort shown over the last 2 games would help, coupled with improved home form.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 28, 2024 10:02:11 GMT
Can't agree at all. Cb's are consistently too weak. Our rb can't defend Our lb is aging and injury prone. Our goalkeeper is on loan and poor at crosses. So why does the goals against column not reflect that? Would suggest that Hoever can and does defend well enough most games, as he did yesterday agree re Stevens He's not poor on crosses at all, iffy with his feet mind but overall he's a decent keeper for this level as he's clearly shown once he had a run of games MacNally wins tons of headers, one of the most in the league They don't get bullied that's an absolute myth Where they are weak is the early ball in behind, we keep getting done by that Very young defence they will all get better as they play more games Meanwhile at the other end we are bottom 3 or 4 for goals scored Hoever can defend. Concentration, or lack of, is his problem. Since his mistake v Coventry, when he was clearly absolutely devastated, he’s been largely excellent.
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Post by baconburger on Apr 28, 2024 10:03:31 GMT
Am I reading this right? On the one hand we have just had one of the worst seasons in 20 years but it's also realistic to go from that to a promotion campaign? Since when was being a football fan about realism?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 10:03:38 GMT
Can't agree at all. Cb's are consistently too weak. Our rb can't defend Our lb is aging and injury prone. Our goalkeeper is on loan and poor at crosses. So why does the goals against column not reflect that? Would suggest that Hoever can and does defend well enough most games, as he did yesterday agree re Stevens He's not poor on crosses at all, iffy with his feet mind but overall he's a decent keeper for this level as he's clearly shown once he had a run of games MacNally wins tons of headers, one of the most in the league They don't get bullied that's an absolute myth Where they are weak is the early ball in behind, we keep getting done by that Very young defence they will all get better as they play more games Meanwhile at the other end we are bottom 3 or 4 for goals scored But your eyes surely show that the defence is fucking wank? We don’t have a good enough CB. Not one. Very young? Aren’t they all 25/26?
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 28, 2024 10:06:38 GMT
Can't agree at all. Cb's are consistently too weak. Our rb can't defend Our lb is aging and injury prone. Our goalkeeper is on loan and poor at crosses. So why does the goals against column not reflect that? Would suggest that Hoever can and does defend well enough most games, as he did yesterday agree re Stevens He's not poor on crosses at all, iffy with his feet mind but overall he's a decent keeper for this level as he's clearly shown once he had a run of games MacNally wins tons of headers, one of the most in the league They don't get bullied that's an absolute myth Where they are weak is the early ball in behind, we keep getting done by that Very young defence they will all get better as they play more games Meanwhile at the other end we are bottom 3 or 4 for goals scored Teams play Stoke knowing we can’t score. They score early on, usually through a soft goal, then shut up shop. They know it’s a limited risk strategy as we can’t score. They don’t need to score 2/3 and risk getting caught on the counter. When we go a goal down, how often are we playing backs to the walls? Very rarely, I feel. If the defence was stronger, we wouldn’t concede soft goal after soft goal. I would say that the defence has looked better in the last few weeks. It’s a shame that 3 of the 5 aren’t ours and any gelling they have done is likely now for nothing.
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Post by baconburger on Apr 28, 2024 10:08:08 GMT
So why does the goals against column not reflect that? Would suggest that Hoever can and does defend well enough most games, as he did yesterday agree re Stevens He's not poor on crosses at all, iffy with his feet mind but overall he's a decent keeper for this level as he's clearly shown once he had a run of games MacNally wins tons of headers, one of the most in the league They don't get bullied that's an absolute myth Where they are weak is the early ball in behind, we keep getting done by that Very young defence they will all get better as they play more games Meanwhile at the other end we are bottom 3 or 4 for goals scored But your eyes surely show that the defence is fucking wank? We don’t have a good enough CB. Not one. Very young? Aren’t they all 25/26? WTF would you know about it?
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Post by lordb on Apr 28, 2024 10:08:29 GMT
So why does the goals against column not reflect that? Would suggest that Hoever can and does defend well enough most games, as he did yesterday agree re Stevens He's not poor on crosses at all, iffy with his feet mind but overall he's a decent keeper for this level as he's clearly shown once he had a run of games MacNally wins tons of headers, one of the most in the league They don't get bullied that's an absolute myth Where they are weak is the early ball in behind, we keep getting done by that Very young defence they will all get better as they play more games Meanwhile at the other end we are bottom 3 or 4 for goals scored But your eyes surely show that the defence is fucking wank? We don’t have a good enough CB. Not one. Very young? Aren’t they all 25/26? Rose is 28 Hoever us 22 Wilmot and McNally both 24 Thats a young defebce For a side with no good CB's we have somehow kept the ball out of the net a lot What do you put that down to? Pure luck? The defence is fine/OK/not bad The problem is absolutely at the other end
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Post by thornestein on Apr 28, 2024 10:09:47 GMT
Am I reading this right? On the one hand we have just had one of the worst seasons in 20 years but it's also realistic to go from that to a promotion campaign? Yes. Plenty of teams have turned that around in this league. It pretty much happens every year. It’s a fucking shit league. Forest did it in the same season with Cooper
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Post by baconburger on Apr 28, 2024 10:11:06 GMT
So why does the goals against column not reflect that? Would suggest that Hoever can and does defend well enough most games, as he did yesterday agree re Stevens He's not poor on crosses at all, iffy with his feet mind but overall he's a decent keeper for this level as he's clearly shown once he had a run of games MacNally wins tons of headers, one of the most in the league They don't get bullied that's an absolute myth Where they are weak is the early ball in behind, we keep getting done by that Very young defence they will all get better as they play more games Meanwhile at the other end we are bottom 3 or 4 for goals scored Teams play Stoke knowing we can’t score. They score early on, usually through a soft goal, then shut up shop. They know it’s a limited risk strategy as we can’t score. They don’t need to score 2/3 and risk getting caught on the counter. When we go a goal down, how often are we playing backs to the walls? Very rarely, I feel. If the defence was stronger, we wouldn’t concede soft goal after soft goal. I would say that the defence has looked better in the last few weeks. It’s a shame that 3 of the 5 aren’t ours and any gelling they have done is likely now for nothing. Correct you can't mitigate scoring goals at our rate of this season. You shouldn't even try.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 10:12:20 GMT
But your eyes surely show that the defence is fucking wank? We don’t have a good enough CB. Not one. Very young? Aren’t they all 25/26? WTF would you know about it? Sorry yeah we’ve just had a great season where we didn’t look like a clusterfuck at the back with our players looking really solid. Fucking hell fire. It’s like the Twilight Zone.
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Post by lordb on Apr 28, 2024 10:13:06 GMT
Yes. Plenty of teams have turned that around in this league. It pretty much happens every year. It’s a fucking shit league. Forest did it in the same season with Cooper They got to the plays offs ,fantastic (& won them) I'm talking about automatic promotion, that's not a realistic aim
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 10:14:04 GMT
But your eyes surely show that the defence is fucking wank? We don’t have a good enough CB. Not one. Very young? Aren’t they all 25/26? Rose is 28 Hoever us 22 Wilmot and McNally both 24 Thats a young defebce For a side with no good CB's we have somehow kept the ball out of the net a lot What do you put that down to? Pure luck? The defence is fine/OK/not bad The problem is absolutely at the other end It’s about average for football as it is today. Luck has had a lot to do with the mistakes McNally and Rose make not being capitalised on yeah. Wilmot didn’t have luck and has looked an absolute clusterfuck. Hoever just can’t defend. The defence is a shambles.
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Post by lordb on Apr 28, 2024 10:15:15 GMT
Rose is 28 Hoever us 22 Wilmot and McNally both 24 Thats a young defebce For a side with no good CB's we have somehow kept the ball out of the net a lot What do you put that down to? Pure luck? The defence is fine/OK/not bad The problem is absolutely at the other end It’s about average for football as it is today. Luck has had a lot to do with the mistakes McNally and Rose make not being capitalised on yeah. Wilmot didn’t have luck and has looked an absolute clusterfuck. Hoever just can’t defend. The defence is a shambles. So it's pure luck then Over 45 games Right you are
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 10:16:09 GMT
It’s about average for football as it is today. Luck has had a lot to do with the mistakes McNally and Rose make not being capitalised on yeah. Wilmot didn’t have luck and has looked an absolute clusterfuck. Hoever just can’t defend. The defence is a shambles. So it's pure luck then Over 45 games Right you are We nearly got fucking relegated 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by baconburger on Apr 28, 2024 10:19:14 GMT
Rose is 28 Hoever us 22 Wilmot and McNally both 24 Thats a young defebce For a side with no good CB's we have somehow kept the ball out of the net a lot What do you put that down to? Pure luck? The defence is fine/OK/not bad The problem is absolutely at the other end It’s about average for football as it is today. Luck has had a lot to do with the mistakes McNally and Rose make not being capitalised on yeah. Wilmot didn’t have luck and has looked an absolute clusterfuck. Hoever just can’t defend. The defence is a shambles. So shambolic it's conceded less than Southampton, Norwich, PNE & Cardiff and that's just teams from the top half.
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Post by banksy1art on Apr 28, 2024 10:19:24 GMT
More than happy with a top half finish, delighted with a play off push, ecstatic with a play off place
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Post by stokeoptimist on Apr 28, 2024 10:19:57 GMT
The inability to score has been our biggest failing this year. We have played well and created chances dominated games and then lost to a breakaway goal. Next season will stand or fall on the signing of a quality striker. One that can hold it, head it and stuff it in the net consistently
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Post by baconburger on Apr 28, 2024 10:21:17 GMT
So it's pure luck then Over 45 games Right you are We nearly got fucking relegated 🤣🤣🤣🤣 We scored 1 goal per game in a division where there are an average of 3 goals per game. Who'd a thought it
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Post by lordb on Apr 28, 2024 10:21:36 GMT
So it's pure luck then Over 45 games Right you are We nearly got fucking relegated 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Because we don't Score! Look at the fucking table Look at the goals scored column Looks at the goals against column Are you really that stupid?
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Post by andystokey on Apr 28, 2024 10:22:34 GMT
Forest did it in the same season with Cooper They got to the plays offs ,fantastic (& won them) I'm talking about automatic promotion, that's not a realistic aim The Ipswich bounce and the year before Sunderland is an interesting phenomenon. A team with momentum a settled core and some shrewd signings should get you thereabouts. The likely relegated teams this year are not "all that" and Portsmouth and Derby might get a bounce. If Soton or Leeds miss out then one of those will be in the mix. So from: Burnley Sheff Utd Forest/Luton WBA Norwich Hull Soton/Leeds Portsmouth Derby Bristol Coventry We could get amongst half of them, tbh I think aim to break 65 pts and go from there.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 10:22:42 GMT
We nearly got fucking relegated 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Because we don't Score! Look at the fucking table Look at the goals scored column Looks at the goals against column Are you really that stupid? And can’t defend. No one can actually watch that defence and think it’s fine. You just can’t understand football.
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Post by baconburger on Apr 28, 2024 10:26:06 GMT
We nearly got fucking relegated 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Because we don't Score! Look at the fucking table Look at the goals scored column Looks at the goals against column Are you really that stupid?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 10:27:42 GMT
Because we don't Score! Look at the fucking table Look at the goals scored column Looks at the goals against column Are you really that stupid? Yeah what is funny is people actually watch the mistakes the centre halves make week in week out and don’t think it’s an issue.
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Post by baconburger on Apr 28, 2024 10:30:45 GMT
Yeah what is funny is people actually watch the mistakes the centre halves make week in week out and don’t think it’s an issue. Yeah sure it's far more pertinent than goals for and against.
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Post by Silkystoke on Apr 28, 2024 10:31:01 GMT
I’d be happy with a top 10 finish, a good home record, a goalscorer of 15+, a decent LB and CB … and a team of topless women running on the pitch when we score..!!!!
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Post by march4 on Apr 28, 2024 10:32:57 GMT
I’ll be happier once we’ve signed a dominant leader at centre back just like most teams in this division have.
I’ll be over the moon if we sign a strong goalscorer to play centre forward.
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