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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 8:23:51 GMT
And you clearly don’t like winning. SS deserves the opportunity to train and recruit in the close season. I'm happy to reserve jusgement for now, your moaning is getting really tiresome. Recruit? He should be nowhere near the recruitment after Cundle and Ennis.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 28, 2024 8:26:10 GMT
Of course the season isn’t worthy of celebrating overall, however, I do think we’ve been really good since February on the whole. There’s been the odd fuck up, but if you can’t see the improvements that have been made then it’s because you simply don’t want to see them.
Everything has been below average overall, but I’m at least excited now heading into next season because we’ve put in some excellent performances in the last 10 games and we haven’t played like a team with pressure on us. Away we’ve been very good and even the home form and performances (+ atmosphere) have actually been verging on excellent I think.
I certainly think Schumacher can be celebrated. Most other seasons we’d have been fine with the points we’ve picked up, but this season has been a mad one in terms of the relegation picture, but maybe it needed to be that way in order for the last few weeks to have been as positive as they have been.
Not a celebration, but certainly a really good end to a season.
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Post by andystokey on Apr 28, 2024 8:26:38 GMT
SS deserves the opportunity to train and recruit in the close season. I'm happy to reserve jusgement for now, your moaning is getting really tiresome. Recruit? He should be nowhere near the recruitment after Cundle and Ennis. Do you not think there is a decent player in the 22 yo Luke Cundle?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 8:28:57 GMT
Recruit? He should be nowhere near the recruitment after Cundle and Ennis. Do you not think there is a decent player in the 22 yo Luke Cundle? He’s a tidy footballer but no. I think last week showed him up for what he is. He turned into an all action tackling, lots of running, up and down midfielder when we just haven’t seen anything like that. He turned it on. Massive red flag for me. Where’s it been before? And you don’t need to have confidence to tackle. Showed the mentality of the man. We don’t need more players with that mentality. We need to get rid of them.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 28, 2024 8:31:16 GMT
SS deserves the opportunity to train and recruit in the close season. I'm happy to reserve jusgement for now, your moaning is getting really tiresome. Recruit? He should be nowhere near the recruitment after Cundle and Ennis. Cundle is clearly a very good little player but needs to be played in a certain way, which is thankfully a way that Schumacher does prefer. I think he’ll stay and be good for us. Ennis not so much but he was cheap, available and Schumacher knows him. He probably deserves a pre season with us to judge him properly after his injury record.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 28, 2024 8:31:56 GMT
Recruit? He should be nowhere near the recruitment after Cundle and Ennis. Do you not think there is a decent player in the 22 yo Luke Cundle? I do. Bayern doesn't.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 8:32:44 GMT
Recruit? He should be nowhere near the recruitment after Cundle and Ennis. Cundle is clearly a very good little player but needs to be played in a certain way, which is thankfully a way that Schumacher does prefer. I think he’ll stay and be good for us. Ennis not so much but he was cheap, available and Schumacher knows him. He probably deserves a pre season with us to judge him properly after his injury record. Neither are very good. Cundle has a terrible mentality and Ennis is good for the league below.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 28, 2024 8:34:15 GMT
Cundles hit a nice vein of form. I’ve noticed he links up well with Junho.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Apr 28, 2024 8:34:48 GMT
Absolutely nothing to celebrate. Another shite season where we got closer to relegation than any other. Well done lads. Part of the joy of being a football fan is being able to appreciate both the small picture and the big picture. As well as the overall achievements for the season there are always countless interesting sub-plots and stories week to week. The big picture’s been very poor this season but the last two wins have been great. If we can’t celebrate a thumping 3-0 home win over our manager’s bitter former club and an excellent away victory against one of the best teams in the division there’s really no point following the team week after week. We suffer the shite in order to enjoy wins like that. Absolutely. The problem on here (and in pretty much all "debates") is that everything tends to be binary. Nuance is not in fashion. It is possible to celebrate yesterday AND recognise that it's been a woeful season. For anyone that wasn't at Southampton, the spirit, energy, togetherness, desire, graft, and front-foot aggressive play (even when we led) is worth celebrating.
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Post by andystokey on Apr 28, 2024 8:35:02 GMT
Do you not think there is a decent player in the 22 yo Luke Cundle? He’s a tidy footballer but no. I think last week showed him up for what he is. He turned into an all action tackling, lots of running, up and down midfielder when we just haven’t seen anything like that. He turned it on. Massive red flag for me. Where’s it been before? And you don’t need to have confidence to tackle. Showed the mentality of the man. We don’t need more players with that mentality. We need to get rid of them. The last two games we have been braver, something that you have wanted. I think his role is clearer with a DM behind him. The way we set up more recently has suited him better. He's an 8 for me who plays better with forwards that create space for an overload.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 28, 2024 8:35:29 GMT
Cundle is clearly a very good little player but needs to be played in a certain way, which is thankfully a way that Schumacher does prefer. I think he’ll stay and be good for us. Ennis not so much but he was cheap, available and Schumacher knows him. He probably deserves a pre season with us to judge him properly after his injury record. Neither are very good. Cundle has a terrible mentality and Ennis is good for the league below. Terrible mentality because he had a great game against a team he was on loan at for 6 months 😂 What about Hull away and yesterday? He just struggled to adapt and was a casualty of us needing to get back to basics to get points on the board. It’s no deeper than that, stop making shit up.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 8:37:13 GMT
He’s a tidy footballer but no. I think last week showed him up for what he is. He turned into an all action tackling, lots of running, up and down midfielder when we just haven’t seen anything like that. He turned it on. Massive red flag for me. Where’s it been before? And you don’t need to have confidence to tackle. Showed the mentality of the man. We don’t need more players with that mentality. We need to get rid of them. The last two games we have been braver, something that you have wanted. I think his role is clearer with a DM behind him. The way we set up more recently has suited him better. He's an 8 for mewho plays better with forwards that create space for an overload. We have and as we should because the league is wank. Don’t treat it with respect it doesn’t deserve. Cundle though can get in the bin. Awful for 95% of his time here and turned up for the game against his old mates. We don’t need that mentality. We need plauers that want it in all games and he doesn’t.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 28, 2024 8:41:53 GMT
The last two games we have been braver, something that you have wanted. I think his role is clearer with a DM behind him. The way we set up more recently has suited him better. He's an 8 for mewho plays better with forwards that create space for an overload. We have and as we should because the league is wank. Don’t treat it with respect it doesn’t deserve. Cundle though can get in the bin. Awful for 95% of his time here and turned up for the game against his old mates. We don’t need that mentality. We need plauers that want it in all games and he doesn’t. Like Ben Pearson?
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 28, 2024 8:43:19 GMT
It’s not. We should still just about sack him imo. And I think he’ll be gone by October still even now. This season has been fucking atrocious. The home form has been appalling and there’s very little to look forward to. We need 7 new first teamers minimum and will likely finish bottom half again. Great. You don't like the owners The ground The manager The players The fans The league Do us all a favour a fook off and "support" someone else then To be fair, he doesn't mind the ground.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 8:43:43 GMT
We have and as we should because the league is wank. Don’t treat it with respect it doesn’t deserve. Cundle though can get in the bin. Awful for 95% of his time here and turned up for the game against his old mates. We don’t need that mentality. We need plauers that want it in all games and he doesn’t. Like Ben Pearson? He can fuck off as well.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 8:44:13 GMT
You don't like the owners The ground The manager The players The fans The league Do us all a favour a fook off and "support" someone else then To be fair, he doesn't mind the ground. This is true. I like the ground.
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Post by pavel on Apr 28, 2024 8:45:05 GMT
Did we win yesterday, did we escape relegation? I ask it because you would hardly know it reading some of the comments.
Yep it’s been a crap season but, and it’s a big but, there are a few chinks of light, there’s fight in the team, some togetherness and glimmers of hope that we are moving in the right direction.
I thought we would be down under Neil if he had stayed so congratulations to Schumacher for keeping us up and for the players for responding eventually to drag us over the line.
Let’s just celebrate we can have another crack at this division for a few days rather than plying our trade in the third tier.
Lots of work to be done, which starts now but perhaps some green shoots showing.
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Post by andystokey on Apr 28, 2024 8:47:32 GMT
The last two games we have been braver, something that you have wanted. I think his role is clearer with a DM behind him. The way we set up more recently has suited him better. He's an 8 for mewho plays better with forwards that create space for an overload. We have and as we should because the league is wank. Don’t treat it with respect it doesn’t deserve. Cundle though can get in the bin. Awful for 95% of his time here and turned up for the game against his old mates. We don’t need that mentality. We need plauers that want it in all games and he doesn’t. 22 yo player recruited on January to a basket case club in a relegation fight. I'll cut him some slack. Players of his age never develop if they don't play. You advocate it in our own junior ranks yet expect him to drop in without a hitch. On Ennis I admit he's not a real replacement for our forward line, but face reality in January Ryan Mmaee was picking up balls by the fence putting them in a bag, Campbell had his leg up on the treatment table and Wesley well... I think we needed a quick fix, someone mobile who could harry and press that SS knew and he cost us fuck all. If we hadn't got someone in we literally had no one to play up top. He wasn't and never was first choice as Mmaee and Campbell's return demonstrate.
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Post by chuckrocky on Apr 28, 2024 8:50:27 GMT
Candles hit a nice vein of form. I’ve noticed he links up well with Junho. He’s been getting on my wick.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 8:50:52 GMT
We have and as we should because the league is wank. Don’t treat it with respect it doesn’t deserve. Cundle though can get in the bin. Awful for 95% of his time here and turned up for the game against his old mates. We don’t need that mentality. We need plauers that want it in all games and he doesn’t. 22 yo player recruited on January to a basket case club in a relegation fight. I'll cut him some slack. Players of his age never develop if they don't play. You advocate it in our own junior ranks yet expect him to drop in without a hitch. On Ennis I admit he's not a real replacement for our forward line, but face reality in January Ryan Mmaee was picking up balls by the fence putting them in a bag, Campbell had his leg up on the treatment table and Wesley well... I think we needed a quick fix, someone mobile who could harry and press that SS knew and he cost us fuck all. If we hadn't got someone in we literally had no one to play up top. He wasn't and never was first choice as Mmaee and Campbell's return demonstrate. Loan players are signed to make an immediate difference and he has failed. Ennis shouldn’t have been signed. I can’t believe we’ve actually got him for two more years. He’s like a dodgy loanee you get if you’re desperate not someone you actually pay money for.
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Post by andystokey on Apr 28, 2024 8:57:20 GMT
22 yo player recruited on January to a basket case club in a relegation fight. I'll cut him some slack. Players of his age never develop if they don't play. You advocate it in our own junior ranks yet expect him to drop in without a hitch. On Ennis I admit he's not a real replacement for our forward line, but face reality in January Ryan Mmaee was picking up balls by the fence putting them in a bag, Campbell had his leg up on the treatment table and Wesley well... I think we needed a quick fix, someone mobile who could harry and press that SS knew and he cost us fuck all. If we hadn't got someone in we literally had no one to play up top. He wasn't and never was first choice as Mmaee and Campbell's return demonstrate. Loan players are signed to make an immediate difference and he has failed. Ennis shouldn’t have been signed. I can’t believe we’ve actually got him for two more years. He’s like a dodgy loanee you get if you’re desperate not someone you actually pay money for. The loaning club don't see it the same way as you do. Hoever, Cundle, Clarke, Harwood Bellis, Ostigard, Philogene, Delap... They were all loaned to us to develop their assets. Just as we have hopefully with Emre and we did with Souttar and Collins. Impact loans are usually on a different age scale and definitely cost more.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 9:00:23 GMT
Loan players are signed to make an immediate difference and he has failed. Ennis shouldn’t have been signed. I can’t believe we’ve actually got him for two more years. He’s like a dodgy loanee you get if you’re desperate not someone you actually pay money for. The loaning club don't see it the same way as you do. Hoever, Cundle, Clarke, Harwood Bellis, Ostigard, Philogene, Delap... They were all loaned to us to develop their assets. Just as we have hopefully with Emre and we did with Souttar and Collins. Impact loans are usually on a different age scale and definitely cost more. They dont but I couldn’t give a shit about Wolves. Hoever has been terrible and if we re-sign we will have shown we haven’t learnt a fucking thing. Loans for the loaning club should always make an immediate impact or there is no point to them.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 28, 2024 9:04:06 GMT
Candles hit a nice vein of form. I’ve noticed he links up well with Junho. He’s been getting on my wick. After his first few performances, I never thought I’d be waxing lyrical about him.
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Apr 28, 2024 9:05:37 GMT
Cundle is clearly a very good little player but needs to be played in a certain way, which is thankfully a way that Schumacher does prefer. I think he’ll stay and be good for us. Ennis not so much but he was cheap, available and Schumacher knows him. He probably deserves a pre season with us to judge him properly after his injury record. Neither are very good. Cundle has a terrible mentality and Ennis is good for the league below. Hard disagree on Cundle's mentality! In some of the poor team performances he always showed for a pass and tried to take responsibility for getting it forward.
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Post by andystokey on Apr 28, 2024 9:08:45 GMT
The loaning club don't see it the same way as you do. Hoever, Cundle, Clarke, Harwood Bellis, Ostigard, Philogene, Delap... They were all loaned to us to develop their assets. Just as we have hopefully with Emre and we did with Souttar and Collins. Impact loans are usually on a different age scale and definitely cost more. They dont but I couldn’t give a shit about Wolves. Hoever has been terrible and if we re-sign we will have shown we haven’t learnt a fucking thing. Loans for the loaning club should always make an immediate impact or there is no point to them. Hoever played 39 games for us so far I'd call that an impact. Would I rather have our own player? sure. We just about balanced the books with a squad that needed 19 players. It would be interesting to see the various permutations posters would have come up with. I would have been in the market for a proper CB and a LB but the ex manager thought not.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 9:10:53 GMT
They dont but I couldn’t give a shit about Wolves. Hoever has been terrible and if we re-sign we will have shown we haven’t learnt a fucking thing. Loans for the loaning club should always make an immediate impact or there is no point to them. Hoever played 39 games for us so far I'd call that an impact. Would I rather have our own player? sure. We just about balanced the books with a squad that needed 19 players. It would be interesting to see the various permutations posters would have come up with. I would have been in the market for a proper CB and a LB but the ex manager thought not. He’s been terrible on the whole. Someone needed to turn him into a striker when he was about 12. Left back has been a priority for about 9 years now.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 28, 2024 9:17:42 GMT
Do you not think there is a decent player in the 22 yo Luke Cundle? He’s a tidy footballer but no. I think last week showed him up for what he is. He turned into an all action tackling, lots of running, up and down midfielder when we just haven’t seen anything like that. He turned it on. Massive red flag for me. Where’s it been before? And you don’t need to have confidence to tackle. Showed the mentality of the man. We don’t need more players with that mentality. We need to get rid of them. He played well yesterday as well, particularly first half
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Post by thornestein on Apr 28, 2024 9:28:46 GMT
Candles hit a nice vein of form. I’ve noticed he links up well with Junho. he flickers in and out the game 😉🤣
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Post by skip on Apr 28, 2024 11:46:36 GMT
Underperformed in front of the whole English-Football-following world yet again. Overstating the interest towards Stoke City from outsiders. Hardly anyone would have noticed where we are in the table, that's if that many pay attention to what league we're in. Us, and at least half the Championship teams are no different in this regard. Capable of going up in a good season, capable of going down in a bad one. And we nearly did. So I am mightily relived yes, but not embarrassed. I don't give two shits what other clubs fans think of us.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Apr 28, 2024 12:05:15 GMT
Underperformed in front of the whole English-Football-following world yet again. Overstating the interest towards Stoke City from outsiders. Hardly anyone would have noticed where we are in the table, that's if that many pay attention to what league we're in. Us, and at least half the Championship teams are no different in this regard. Capable of going up in a good season, capable of going down in a bad one. And we nearly did. So I am mightily relived yes, but not embarrassed. I don't give two shits what other clubs fans think of us. No- I agree, people generally don't give a fuck about us, I'm on about those who are interested though.
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