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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 23, 2024 20:37:51 GMT
Lovely, always keen to see how the other half live.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 20:39:30 GMT
You brought it up Badge, nobody else. So where are these full facts that you've got? Darren Grimes in his attempt to prove two tier policing above, couldn't find anything to corroborate your claims.
It clearly showed stuff being thrown at the police and them standing and doing nothing. Couldn't see any TSG police there either?
Why would you make that up, when the video is there for everybody to view?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 23, 2024 20:39:31 GMT
It’s Gawas to lose, you need to up your game😉 Only joking Gawa Will be a close call in the final 3, along with Vagina Abbey and Raul Bender. Danceswithclams may be able to back me up on this but I’m pretty sure both supported World of Twist back in the 90’s
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Post by danceswithclams on Apr 23, 2024 20:40:22 GMT
Saw Trentham Beaver Safari supporting World of Twist in the early 90s. Great band.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Apr 23, 2024 20:41:38 GMT
It's not unreasonable to ask for something to help understand why you've come to that opinion though, surely? I'd take it as a compliment that your opinion is valued to the point you're expected to back it up. As opposed to Knype, who's opinion is formed by the pattern left in the bowl of his coco-pops. I look at stuff a few months after the occasion, I’m sorry I don’t keep an up to date diary. You don’t see me ever post a link immediately after the event. I just don’t want to incite immediate reaction. I keep it to what I know and I’m fine with that. I could, if I could be arsed and didn’t need to go to work every morning present some stuff but it’s probably wasted on here as by the time I’ve got the full facts the conversation has gone onto something else On second thoughts let's stick with your Mum told you. 😁
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 23, 2024 20:43:08 GMT
I look at stuff a few months after the occasion, I’m sorry I don’t keep an up to date diary. You don’t see me ever post a link immediately after the event. I just don’t want to incite immediate reaction. I keep it to what I know and I’m fine with that. I could, if I could be arsed and didn’t need to go to work every morning present some stuff but it’s probably wasted on here as by the time I’ve got the full facts the conversation has gone onto something else On second thoughts let's stick with your Mum told you. 😁 It’s for the best😉
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Post by sticky on Apr 23, 2024 20:53:33 GMT
7 pages of bickering.. not a bad effort that lads 👏🏻 😂
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Apr 23, 2024 20:54:40 GMT
It's not unreasonable to ask for something to help understand why you've come to that opinion though, surely? I'd take it as a compliment that your opinion is valued to the point you're expected to back it up. As opposed to Knype, who's opinion is formed by the pattern left in the bowl of his coco-pops. And yours is derived from your alphabet spaghetti that your carer has to help you with Heyyyyy... this is a good one. You'll be progressing onto laces soon and if you're good, maybe a comic book won't be far away.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Apr 23, 2024 20:55:13 GMT
7 pages of bickering.. not a bad effort that lads 👏🏻 😂 It's what St. George would've wanted.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 23, 2024 20:57:16 GMT
7 pages of bickering.. not a bad effort that lads 👏🏻 😂 Brilliant isn’t it
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 23, 2024 21:17:57 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 23, 2024 21:21:52 GMT
So no 'plenty of violence' as Badge suggested. Don't you think if Grimes COULD find examples of 'plenty of violence', or peace protesters attacking the police, to make his point, then he would have used them. So why do you think might be the reason that he actually hasn't then? The fact that he's quoting "crafty wank" Grimes as a source of qualification...well it erodes any trace of credibiliy that Knype had left (not that he ever had any mind)
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 23, 2024 21:37:55 GMT
In relation to 2 tier policing I think it’s more a case of 2 tier reporting and it’s from all sides left or right depending on what you want to believe. So you don't agree with the people that have suggested that what has happened today, is an example of two tier policing today then Cobs? To be fair I haven’t seen what’s happened today so I can’t pass judgement. What I would say is that policing isn’t deliberately 2 tiered but can appear that way because of the way stories are reported in the media which on occasions can spark things into happening because people get frustrated as they feel there’s a bias and that the Palestinian protestors are getting away with bad behaviour that they don’t feel they would (understandable when you look at some of the reports) under similar circumstances which I imagine grinds. Do I think there’s bad on both sides? Damn right I do. Do I think that the Palestinian protests have been dealt with leniently? Probably yes. Though I think that the reason is more down to numbers both of protestors and police rather than anything more sinister. I don’t remember there ever being an issue with St George’s day before but I do believe that the deliberate drip feeding of stories around the Palestine protests has caused people to get angry and frustrated (which I can understand) and as is often the case the most vocal take to the streets as they look on St George’s day as a way of showing there pride for there country. What I would say is that those behaving badly don’t represent the vast percentage of the population who are just as patriotic but don’t want to fight the police. If it’s as I’d imagine all the behaviour would have done today would be to fuel the left wing into judging and staking their claim that every English person as being some pissed up hooligan which is a million million miles from the truth.
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Post by gawa on Apr 23, 2024 21:38:32 GMT
Lovely, always keen to see how the other half live. He's lying to you, it's not any time. Tuesday 7 May – SOLD OUT Tuesday 14 May – SOLD OUT Tuesday 21 May – LIMITED Tuesday 28 May – SOLD OUT He's trying to mug you off mate.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 21:45:49 GMT
So you don't agree with the people that have suggested that what has happened today, is an example of two tier policing today then Cobs? To be fair I haven’t seen what’s happened today so I can’t pass judgement. What I would say is that policing isn’t deliberately 2 tiered but can appear that way because of the way stories are reported in the media which on occasions can spark things into happening because people get frustrated as they feel there’s a bias and that the Palestinian protestors are getting away with bad behaviour that they don’t feel they would (understandable when you look at some of the reports) under similar circumstances which I imagine grinds. Do I think there’s bad on both sides? Damn right I do. Do I think that the Palestinian protests have been dealt with leniently? Probably yes. Though I think that the reason is more down to numbers both of protestors and police rather than anything more sinister. I don’t remember there ever being an issue with St George’s day before but I do believe that the deliberate drip feeding of stories around the Palestine protests has caused people to get angry and frustrated (which I can understand) and as is often the case the most vocal take to the streets as they look on St George’s day as a way of showing there pride for there country. What I would say is that those behaving badly don’t represent the vast percentage of the population who are just as patriotic but don’t want to fight the police. If it’s as I’d imagine all the behaviour would have done today would be to fuel the left wing into judging and staking their claim that every English person as being some pissed up hooligan which is a million million miles from the truth.
That's a fair and considered answer Cobs. I'm just gobsmacked at the mental gymnastics that some posters will go to, in order to blame the police today.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 23, 2024 21:54:38 GMT
So you don't agree with the people that have suggested that what has happened today, is an example of two tier policing today then Cobs? To be fair I haven’t seen what’s happened today so I can’t pass judgement. What I would say is that policing isn’t deliberately 2 tiered but can appear that way because of the way stories are reported in the media which on occasions can spark things into happening because people get frustrated as they feel there’s a bias and that the Palestinian protestors are getting away with bad behaviour that they don’t feel they would ( understandable when you look at some of the reports) under similar circumstances which I imagine grinds. Do I think there’s bad on both sides? Damn right I do. Do I think that the Palestinian protests have been dealt with leniently? Probably yes. Though I think that the reason is more down to numbers both of protestors and police rather than anything more sinister. I don’t remember there ever being an issue with St George’s day before but I do believe that the deliberate drip feeding of stories around the Palestine protests has caused people to get angry and frustrated (which I can understand) and as is often the case the most vocal take to the streets as they look on St George’s day as a way of showing there pride for there country. What I would say is that those behaving badly don’t represent the vast percentage of the population who are just as patriotic but don’t want to fight the police. If it’s as I’d imagine all the behaviour would have done today would be to fuel the left wing into judging and staking their claim that every English person as being some pissed up hooligan which is a million million miles from the truth. What Reports? If there are reports, that are credible, then the Police are indeed operating a two tier system of Policing. If there are no credible reports it's unsubstantiated twaddle, you can't have it both ways.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 23, 2024 22:06:02 GMT
To be fair I haven’t seen what’s happened today so I can’t pass judgement. What I would say is that policing isn’t deliberately 2 tiered but can appear that way because of the way stories are reported in the media which on occasions can spark things into happening because people get frustrated as they feel there’s a bias and that the Palestinian protestors are getting away with bad behaviour that they don’t feel they would ( understandable when you look at some of the reports) under similar circumstances which I imagine grinds. Do I think there’s bad on both sides? Damn right I do. Do I think that the Palestinian protests have been dealt with leniently? Probably yes. Though I think that the reason is more down to numbers both of protestors and police rather than anything more sinister. I don’t remember there ever being an issue with St George’s day before but I do believe that the deliberate drip feeding of stories around the Palestine protests has caused people to get angry and frustrated (which I can understand) and as is often the case the most vocal take to the streets as they look on St George’s day as a way of showing there pride for there country. What I would say is that those behaving badly don’t represent the vast percentage of the population who are just as patriotic but don’t want to fight the police. If it’s as I’d imagine all the behaviour would have done today would be to fuel the left wing into judging and staking their claim that every English person as being some pissed up hooligan which is a million million miles from the truth. What Reports? If there are reports, that are credible, then the Police are indeed operating a two tier system of Policing. If there are no credible reports it's unsubstantiated twaddle, you can't have it both ways. I guess it depends on who’s doing them. Do you think that the Guardian would report an incident the same as GB News? Usually the truths somewhere in the middle. Look at the story with the Jewish male. Totally twisted to fit an agenda. That’s one example of many. A lot depends on what the agenda. Media will always have a slant the truth always comes second and that’s on both sides of the political agenda. I guess what I’m trying to say is no one really knows other than those that were actually there and even then you’d probably have 2 versions both of whom were from people who think they’re right.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 24, 2024 0:33:49 GMT
What Reports? If there are reports, that are credible, then the Police are indeed operating a two tier system of Policing. If there are no credible reports it's unsubstantiated twaddle, you can't have it both ways. I guess it depends on who’s doing them. Do you think that the Guardian would report an incident the same as GB News? Usually the truths somewhere in the middle. Look at the story with the Jewish male. Totally twisted to fit an agenda. That’s one example of many. A lot depends on what the agenda. Media will always have a slant the truth always comes second and that’s on both sides of the political agenda. I guess what I’m trying to say is no one really knows other than those that were actually there and even then you’d probably have 2 versions both of whom were from people who think they’re right. I can see your point The original spectre of Two-tier Policing was I believe introduced by Suella Braverman in an Article she wrote in the Telegraph I misunderstood when you said reports, that you believed them to be credible, which was why I used that word. I was surprised that you of all people would endorse that assertion In any large gathering there is going to be an attention seeking fringe element whose agenda is contrary to the vast majority The vast majority of those that paraded today to celebrate St George's Day had no other intent other than to demonstrate their National pride. The vast majority of those who attend the weekly Pro Palestinian Marches have no other intent than to protest at what they see happening in Gaza. It befalls upon the Police to keep Public Order which they know will contain a proportion of malcontents determined to pursue their own agenda. I reserve my most contemt for the Bloggers, Vloggers and Twitterer's who promote the fringe element simply to monetise their platform. I merely feel sorry for those that accept it as reflective and truthful.
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Post by knype on Apr 24, 2024 3:40:16 GMT
So no 'plenty of violence' as Badge suggested. Don't you think if Grimes COULD find examples of 'plenty of violence', or peace protesters attacking the police, to make his point, then he would have used them. So why do you think might be the reason that he actually hasn't then? The fact that he's quoting "crafty wank" Grimes as a source of qualification...well it erodes any trace of credibiliy that Knype had left (not that he ever had any mind) Coming from a serial socialist re-tweeter that is rich!He has as much credibility as any of the left wing whoppers you share
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Post by knype on Apr 24, 2024 3:41:50 GMT
To be fair I haven’t seen what’s happened today so I can’t pass judgement. What I would say is that policing isn’t deliberately 2 tiered but can appear that way because of the way stories are reported in the media which on occasions can spark things into happening because people get frustrated as they feel there’s a bias and that the Palestinian protestors are getting away with bad behaviour that they don’t feel they would (understandable when you look at some of the reports) under similar circumstances which I imagine grinds. Do I think there’s bad on both sides? Damn right I do. Do I think that the Palestinian protests have been dealt with leniently? Probably yes. Though I think that the reason is more down to numbers both of protestors and police rather than anything more sinister. I don’t remember there ever being an issue with St George’s day before but I do believe that the deliberate drip feeding of stories around the Palestine protests has caused people to get angry and frustrated (which I can understand) and as is often the case the most vocal take to the streets as they look on St George’s day as a way of showing there pride for there country. What I would say is that those behaving badly don’t represent the vast percentage of the population who are just as patriotic but don’t want to fight the police. If it’s as I’d imagine all the behaviour would have done today would be to fuel the left wing into judging and staking their claim that every English person as being some pissed up hooligan which is a million million miles from the truth. That's a fair and considered answer Cobs. I'm just gobsmacked at the mental gymnastics that some posters will go to, in order to blame the police today.
And the same gymnastics to defend terrorist sympathisers and not see that he police yet again dealt with crowds that got rowdy and ignored their orders differently
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Post by mrnovember on Apr 24, 2024 5:47:58 GMT
Only 364 days to go until every left leaning commentators favourite day of the year. The day they scramble to social media to remind us that he wasn't English, Dragons aren't real and he's never even been to a Wetherspoons.
Oh and that beans are from Peru and the Chinese invented bacon.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 24, 2024 5:51:01 GMT
Only 364 days to go until every left leaning commentators favourite day of the year. The day they scramble to social media to remind us that he wasn't English, Dragons aren't real and he's never even been to a Wetherspoons. Oh and that beans are from Peru and the Chinese invented bacon. What's up mate?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 24, 2024 5:58:56 GMT
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Post by mrnovember on Apr 24, 2024 5:59:01 GMT
Only 364 days to go until every left leaning commentators favourite day of the year. The day they scramble to social media to remind us that he wasn't English, Dragons aren't real and he's never even been to a Wetherspoons. Oh and that beans are from Peru and the Chinese invented bacon. What's up mate? Nowt mate. Just back from London. Had a good day, my brolly is a bit busted though.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 24, 2024 6:05:30 GMT
On the same thread you've just shared. It's bollocks mate.
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Post by thisisouryear on Apr 24, 2024 6:17:41 GMT
What does this prove? It's two very short clips probably manipulated to leave out a very large part of what may have actually happened. Is it an Eid celebration? I don't know. Is it a St George's Day celebration? I don't know. What I do know is there is a lot more to those videos than what's being shown I don't know how anyone can come to any sort of conclusion from such a short video and the thing is people believe this crap and the comments prove how easily people fall for anything
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 24, 2024 7:00:34 GMT
What does this prove? It's two very short clips probably manipulated to leave out a very large part of what may have actually happened. Is it an Eid celebration? I don't know. Is it a St George's Day celebration? I don't know. What I do know is there is a lot more to those videos than what's being shown I don't know how anyone can come to any sort of conclusion from such a short video and the thing is people believe this crap and the comments prove how easily people fall for anything There’s a couple of things to consider here 1- On the Eid “celebration” the officers in the video appear to be normal bobbies on the beat who were maybe there to predominantly engage. It may well be that the issues and violence came as a surprise and that they weren’t expected hence why they look less prepared and because maybe they weren’t public order trained. 2- In the St George’s day video the officers look like they’re PSU (public order trained) so are trained to deal with group violence. It may well be that there was intelligence received that there was trouble expected by a small group who may then precede to wind up those who hadn’t attended looking for trouble. Only guesswork though. As you say it’s a very short video and only those that were there really know the fully story so it’s all conjecture. It only takes a small number to wind a situation up and things can soon turn nasty and it can turn into a riot as has been demonstrated in the past with the likes of Bristol and the riots a few years back in London.
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Post by thebasfordhedgehog on Apr 24, 2024 7:34:09 GMT
This is why I love spending so much time on Twitter X
St George and his horse look great, but the dragon looks like a rat to me.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 24, 2024 7:35:23 GMT
Lovely, always keen to see how the other half live. He's lying to you, it's not any time. Tuesday 7 May – SOLD OUT Tuesday 14 May – SOLD OUT Tuesday 21 May – LIMITED Tuesday 28 May – SOLD OUT He's trying to mug you off mate. Now who's popular?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 24, 2024 7:51:53 GMT
That's a fair and considered answer Cobs. I'm just gobsmacked at the mental gymnastics that some posters will go to, in order to blame the police today.
And the same gymnastics to defend terrorist sympathisers and not see that he police yet again dealt with crowds that got rowdy and ignored their orders differently Defend 'terrorist sympathisers' for what exactly and when knype? What orders did the police ignore?
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