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Hoever
May 5, 2024 6:50:24 GMT
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Post by questionable on May 5, 2024 6:50:24 GMT
Was about to post I’m 50/50 with him signing on a permanent deal.
Looking at it on a sensible overall team point of view it doesn’t make sense splashing out the reported 4 million when we have JT who will be as good IMO given games and the right coaching
50/50 pretty much sums him up perfectly for me, he struggles with a talented tricky/pacey winger but exploits a weak opposition FB, Enda is a far better defender and deals with all types of opposition and our results have picked up since his return.
We need to spend wisely this time around and concentrate on areas where there’s glaring gaps and this isn’t one of them so it’s a no from me
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Post by baconburger on May 5, 2024 6:53:43 GMT
I like Hoever but there's no team anywhere that will spend more than a couple of million on him. It wasn't long ago that the whole ground was getting on to him during the Birmingham defeat, he was awful all through winter and then started fancying it again from spring onward. I would take him if we can get him for a couple of million. We'd likely be looking to sell Leris in those circumstances Only o fool would not want to sign him permanently at that price. His potential is off the scale. The can’t defend nonsense is laughable, consecutive professional football managers deploy player who can’t defend as a CB can’t defend my arse. He’s prone to brain farts no doubt but they have become less frequent it’s one negative amongst a sea of positives. Even from my point of view I’d Baulk at paying much more on the basis of not spending that money on a position it’s not necessary but at £2/3M it just has to be done on the basis of sound player speculation alone. What we should have learned from these last few awful years is besides building a squad you always need to be having an eye out for your next big profit in the market to sustain you when you most probably don’t get promoted. I’m not one to aim low, I set my sights above the play offs but I also temper that with the realism that it’s a less than 50:50 prospect and unlikely ever will be.
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 7:13:27 GMT
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Post by stokeypenn89 on May 5, 2024 7:13:27 GMT
I think we should sign him even if it's up to £4m, there is no chance we sign a RB as good as him in the position we are currently in.
Tchamadeu is still young and would benefit from not being relied on week in week out. He could also be used at LB.
The relationship Hoever already has with the club and players can also a massive positive.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on May 5, 2024 7:18:33 GMT
Was about to post I’m 50/50 with him signing on a permanent deal. Looking at it on a sensible overall team point of view it doesn’t make sense splashing out the reported 4 million when we have JT who will be as good IMO given games and the right coaching 50/50 pretty much sums him up perfectly for me, he struggles with a talented tricky/pacey winger but exploits a weak opposition FB, Enda is a far better defender and deals with all types of opposition and our results have picked up since his return. We need to spend wisely this time around and concentrate on areas where there’s glaring gaps and this isn’t one of them so it’s a no from me Anyone who witnessed the game yesterday could see in a millisecond the difference in class between Hoever and JT when he came on. Hoever looked so assured both going forward and crucially his defending and central covering were also spot on. Man mountain JT did okay but in that short time was caught out of position a number of times, Don’t get me wrong I like JT and in time will become a top player but right now there’s hardly a comparison to be made.
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Post by numpty40 on May 5, 2024 7:41:48 GMT
Was about to post I’m 50/50 with him signing on a permanent deal. Looking at it on a sensible overall team point of view it doesn’t make sense splashing out the reported 4 million when we have JT who will be as good IMO given games and the right coaching 50/50 pretty much sums him up perfectly for me, he struggles with a talented tricky/pacey winger but exploits a weak opposition FB, Enda is a far better defender and deals with all types of opposition and our results have picked up since his return. We need to spend wisely this time around and concentrate on areas where there’s glaring gaps and this isn’t one of them so it’s a no from me Anyone who witnessed the game yesterday could see in a millisecond the difference in class between Hoever and JT when he came on. Hoever looked so assured both going forward and crucially his defending and central covering were also spot on. Man mountain JT did okay but in that short time was caught out of position a number of times, Don’t get me wrong I like JT and in time will become a top player but right now there’s hardly a comparison to be made. Absolutely this, I like Junior and he's got great potential but anyone who saw him start away at Blackburn will realise that he is work in progress. Hoever has occasional brain farts but his positioning and reading of the game is very good. This 'can't defend' myth is bollocks.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 5, 2024 7:42:27 GMT
It’s not though is it? Hoever has been awful for 90% of his 18 months here. The goals mask so much. You have to look through them. Why can’t you blame a defender that can’t defend? They did, one was sacked and the other struggled to get us safe. It means fuck all. Oh yes he’s a shit defender isn’t he? As an integral member of the defence that hasn’t conceded a goal in over FIVE hours must make him really shit? You really do talk through your arse most of the time. Yes. McNally and Wilmot are too. It’s mad how months of evidence over a season is wiped out by one month. What is wrong with people 🤣🤦♂️
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 7:45:23 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on May 5, 2024 7:45:23 GMT
It’s not though is it? Hoever has been awful for 90% of his 18 months here. The goals mask so much. You have to look through them. Why can’t you blame a defender that can’t defend? They did, one was sacked and the other struggled to get us safe. It means fuck all. Oh yes he’s a shit defender isn’t he? As an integral member of the defence that hasn’t conceded a goal in over FIVE hours must make him really shit? You really do talk through your arse most of the time. He has also been part of a defence leaking goals for fun in periods, so this statement could really go all ways. A season consists of 46 league games not 3.
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Post by questionable on May 5, 2024 7:47:59 GMT
Oh yes he’s a shit defender isn’t he? As an integral member of the defence that hasn’t conceded a goal in over FIVE hours must make him really shit? You really do talk through your arse most of the time. Yes. McNally and Wilmot are too. It’s mad how months of evidence over a season is wiped out by one month. What is wrong with people 🤣🤦♂️ Have to agree with you Bayern it’s a sport based on X amount of games, I like Hoever but he certainly has more bad/average games than he has good ones adding to the case that MM gives opposition more to think about rather than teams exploiting our right had side. Definitely need to prioritise on other positions than worry if Hoever will return.
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Post by numpty40 on May 5, 2024 7:52:47 GMT
Oh yes he’s a shit defender isn’t he? As an integral member of the defence that hasn’t conceded a goal in over FIVE hours must make him really shit? You really do talk through your arse most of the time. Yes. McNally and Wilmot are too. It’s mad how months of evidence over a season is wiped out by one month. What is wrong with people 🤣🤦♂️ The whole team have been shit for most of the season. The last few games it appears as though some proper work has been done on training ground and the whole team look well coached, organised and fitter. Because they now seem to have a structure, it is quite obvious that Laurent, Wilmot and Hoever are anything but 'shit'
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 7:54:47 GMT
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Post by thornestein on May 5, 2024 7:54:47 GMT
I think we should sign him even if it's up to £4m, there is no chance we sign a RB as good as him in the position we are currently in. Tchamadeu is still young and would benefit from not being relied on week in week out. He could also be used at LB. The relationship Hoever already has with the club and players can also a massive positive. you can’t blow probably half our budget on one player , and that’s not considering his massive wage
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Post by mattador78 on May 5, 2024 7:57:07 GMT
Hoever improved with Milion in front of him basically because he doesn’t have to be the one attacking all of the time. Meaning he’s out of position less and can concentrate a bit more on defending. Thompson then moves back a bit to cover the gap and we’ve looked stronger in defence. Less players out of position in defence less goals conceded more defending from the front less goals conceded managers hit a decent formula and if Hoever part of it the he should get him IMHO
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 7:57:16 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 5, 2024 7:57:16 GMT
Yes. McNally and Wilmot are too. It’s mad how months of evidence over a season is wiped out by one month. What is wrong with people 🤣🤦♂️ The whole team have been shit for most of the season. The last few games it appears as though some proper work has been done on training ground and the whole team look well coached, organised and fitter. Because they now seem to have a structure, it is quite obvious that Laurent, Wilmot and Hoever are anything but 'shit' Yes they have. Let’s not forget it. And no it’s not. Wilmot has shown through his career that he should be a back up for this level. Laurent has 6 good games a season. He’s the epitome of why we’ve been so shit. Absolutely bone idle, terrible attitude and shows up when he wants which isn’t very often. Seriously, you do realise we’ve been shit with these players for two seasons now? There’s a mass of evidence to show how fucking shit they are.
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Post by lordb on May 5, 2024 7:58:53 GMT
I think we should sign him even if it's up to £4m, there is no chance we sign a RB as good as him in the position we are currently in. Tchamadeu is still young and would benefit from not being relied on week in week out. He could also be used at LB. The relationship Hoever already has with the club and players can also a massive positive. you can’t blow probably half our budget on one player , and that’s not considering his massive wage The caveat to that is we don't know what the budget is Re his wage with Wes leaving that's a huge wage we can spend elsewhere On the face of it does appear too expensive however if we have more to spend than we think he could be a really good investment even at what appears to be lot of money Fair few ifs there though
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 8:00:37 GMT
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Post by thornestein on May 5, 2024 8:00:37 GMT
you can’t blow probably half our budget on one player , and that’s not considering his massive wage The caveat to that is we don't know what the budget is Re his wage with Wes leaving that's a huge wage we can spend elsewhere On the face of it does appear too expensive however if we have more to spend than we think he could be a really good investment even at what appears to be lot of money Fair few ifs there though well the most we can lose is 13mil with ffp , so after wages and agent fees , signing on fees i’m guessing at around 8-10mil , but i know fuck all 😂
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 8:02:09 GMT
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Post by lordb on May 5, 2024 8:02:09 GMT
The caveat to that is we don't know what the budget is Re his wage with Wes leaving that's a huge wage we can spend elsewhere On the face of it does appear too expensive however if we have more to spend than we think he could be a really good investment even at what appears to be lot of money Fair few ifs there though well the most we can lose is 13mil with ffp , so after wages and agent fees , signing on fees i’m guessing at around 8-10mil , but i know fuck all 😂 Perhaps we are expecting to sell one of our assets this summer?
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 8:03:20 GMT
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Post by thornestein on May 5, 2024 8:03:20 GMT
well the most we can lose is 13mil with ffp , so after wages and agent fees , signing on fees i’m guessing at around 8-10mil , but i know fuck all 😂 Perhaps we are expecting to sell one of our assets this summer? that would be stupid , we wouldn’t get that much for them , another season here would double their price if they carry on as they have
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Post by lordb on May 5, 2024 8:05:52 GMT
Perhaps we are expecting to sell one of our assets this summer? that would be stupid , we wouldn’t get that much for them , another season here would double their price if they carry on as they have Never underestimate stupidity However atm the £££ doesn't seem to add up re Hoever, he appears too expensive and yet it seems a permanent deal is not unlikely That to me suggests we are all missing something re £££
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 8:06:19 GMT
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Post by nonameface on May 5, 2024 8:06:19 GMT
well the most we can lose is 13mil with ffp , so after wages and agent fees , signing on fees i’m guessing at around 8-10mil , but i know fuck all 😂 Perhaps we are expecting to sell one of our assets this summer? Could see Burger going. These last few games our midfield has looked the most balanced since we've been in the championship, helping us to defend and attack. Without Burger we've looked better, despite him being our best midfielder. Could raise us some good money to sign Hoever, Cundle, and maybe more.
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 8:08:33 GMT
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Post by thornestein on May 5, 2024 8:08:33 GMT
that would be stupid , we wouldn’t get that much for them , another season here would double their price if they carry on as they have Never underestimate stupidity However atm the £££ doesn't seem to add up re Hoever, he appears too expensive and yet it seems a permanent deal is not unlikely That to me suggests we are all missing something re £££ well i was told a few weeks back that JC was expecting ffp to change this summer , i doubt it though as surely it would already have been announced like the premier league rules have 🤷♂️
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 8:10:58 GMT
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Post by lordb on May 5, 2024 8:10:58 GMT
Never underestimate stupidity However atm the £££ doesn't seem to add up re Hoever, he appears too expensive and yet it seems a permanent deal is not unlikely That to me suggests we are all missing something re £££ well i was told a few weeks back that JC was expecting ffp to change this summer , i doubt it though as surely it would already have been announced like the premier league rules have 🤷♂️ That seems like reasonable doubt thought the changes were for 2025?
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 8:15:01 GMT
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Post by thornestein on May 5, 2024 8:15:01 GMT
well i was told a few weeks back that JC was expecting ffp to change this summer , i doubt it though as surely it would already have been announced like the premier league rules have 🤷♂️ That seems like reasonable doubt thought the changes were for 2025? yeah they start fully in 2025 , but a mixture of both next year from what i read
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Post by clarkeda on May 5, 2024 8:15:38 GMT
Rumour going around the ground today is that we’ve offered £4 million for him I like him and think he has the potential to be decent top flight player, but I don’t think we’re in a position to spend £4M on a RB. We have more pressing needs. If the fee was £2M… Completely agree
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 8:25:40 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on May 5, 2024 8:25:40 GMT
The whole team have been shit for most of the season. The last few games it appears as though some proper work has been done on training ground and the whole team look well coached, organised and fitter. Because they now seem to have a structure, it is quite obvious that Laurent, Wilmot and Hoever are anything but 'shit' Yes they have. Let’s not forget it. And no it’s not. Wilmot has shown through his career that he should be a back up for this level. Laurent has 6 good games a season. He’s the epitome of why we’ve been so shit. Absolutely bone idle, terrible attitude and shows up when he wants which isn’t very often. Seriously, you do realise we’ve been shit with these players for two seasons now? There’s a mass of evidence to show how fucking shit they are. We've been shit for 7 seasons now, not just this season. We've employed numerous inept coaches and seen players come to the club looking fucking awful only to go to other clubs and show they were actually half decent. These last few games has given me a bit of optimism that for the first time in years we may have a coaching team that put good work in on the training ground in the week and we actually look a well organised structured unit on a matchday. Players you describe as 'shit' have shown they are not shit when given proper coaching and instruction on the training ground. It could all turn to shit again half a dozen games into next season, but for me, this season finished on an unexpected high and I am perhaps foolishly optimistic for next season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 5, 2024 8:27:45 GMT
Yes they have. Let’s not forget it. And no it’s not. Wilmot has shown through his career that he should be a back up for this level. Laurent has 6 good games a season. He’s the epitome of why we’ve been so shit. Absolutely bone idle, terrible attitude and shows up when he wants which isn’t very often. Seriously, you do realise we’ve been shit with these players for two seasons now? There’s a mass of evidence to show how fucking shit they are. We've been shit for 7 seasons now, not just this season. We've employed numerous inept coaches and seen players come to the club looking fucking awful only to go to other clubs and show they were actually half decent. These last few games has given me a bit of optimism that for the first time in years we may have a coaching team that put good work in on the training ground in the week and we actually look a well organised structured unit on a matchday. Players you describe as 'shit' have shown they are not shit when given proper coaching and instruction on the training ground. It could all turn to shit again half a dozen games into next season, but for me, this season finished on an unexpected high and I am perhaps foolishly optimistic for next season. They have shown they are shit over the course of the season. A month at the end doesn’t mean the previous 6/7 months is invalidated. That’s really a terrible way of looking at it and again sums up why we are the mess we are. Most of the team that started yesterday will hopefully not be starting many games next season.
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 8:29:55 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on May 5, 2024 8:29:55 GMT
We've been shit for 7 seasons now, not just this season. We've employed numerous inept coaches and seen players come to the club looking fucking awful only to go to other clubs and show they were actually half decent. These last few games has given me a bit of optimism that for the first time in years we may have a coaching team that put good work in on the training ground in the week and we actually look a well organised structured unit on a matchday. Players you describe as 'shit' have shown they are not shit when given proper coaching and instruction on the training ground. It could all turn to shit again half a dozen games into next season, but for me, this season finished on an unexpected high and I am perhaps foolishly optimistic for next season. They have shown they are shit over the course of the season. A month at the end doesn’t mean the previous 6/7 months is invalidated. That’s really a terrible way of looking at it and again sums up why we are the mess we are. Most of the team that started yesterday will hopefully not be starting many games next season. Does coaching really not make any difference to players in your world?
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 8:32:30 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 5, 2024 8:32:30 GMT
They have shown they are shit over the course of the season. A month at the end doesn’t mean the previous 6/7 months is invalidated. That’s really a terrible way of looking at it and again sums up why we are the mess we are. Most of the team that started yesterday will hopefully not be starting many games next season. Does coaching really not make any difference to players in your world? I mean it does but I’d get rid of him too for the same reasons. They all have so much too prove. There’s 3 players I’d be sad to leave. I’d be a bit miffed if Dublin left. After that none of the rest mean anything to me really. There’s a lot of work to be done.
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 8:33:08 GMT
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Post by Ron on May 5, 2024 8:33:08 GMT
If he’s available to us at 4 million that makes total sense. He’s been very good of late.
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 8:34:09 GMT
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Post by st3mark on May 5, 2024 8:34:09 GMT
They have shown they are shit over the course of the season. A month at the end doesn’t mean the previous 6/7 months is invalidated. That’s really a terrible way of looking at it and again sums up why we are the mess we are. Most of the team that started yesterday will hopefully not be starting many games next season. Does coaching really not make any difference to players in your world? Ask him if he likes Sunday dinners, you'll get a similar answer.
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 8:34:19 GMT
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Post by Gob Bluth on May 5, 2024 8:34:19 GMT
Would love to sign him permanently but can’t see how we’d be able to do it with FFP. Another loan would be fine and I’m sure all parties would be open to it.
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Post by peterthornesboots on May 5, 2024 8:39:29 GMT
Hoever is consistently inconsistent.
However, you have to also remember that the lad is still only 22.
One of the issues with our fanbase is that we expect young players to rock up here and be the finished article - when in fact they are still developing and are bound to make mistakes.
Hoever has something about him. His attacking play certainly adds a extra dimension to our attack, but there is a lot of work to do on the defensive side of the game.
Would Wolves send him to us on loan for another season? Or, alternatively, is he worth the high price tag being suggested? Probably not in answer to both questions.
I would like to see him back here though under the right circumstances.
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