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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 11:35:55 GMT
No. I just like watching midfielders who ping 60 yard accurate passes at ease. Harry Kane can do that. And score 30+ goals a season regularly. At a slightly higher level than League one. Fabulous fabulous fabulous footballer. He wasn’t a midfielder last time I looked. It’s the last thing he should be doing but he can’t help but let his team down and leave the area he’s most effective in.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 28, 2024 11:39:51 GMT
Harry Kane can do that. And score 30+ goals a season regularly. At a slightly higher level than League one. Fabulous fabulous fabulous footballer. He wasn’t a midfielder last time I looked. It’s the last thing he should be doing but he can’t help but let his team down and leave the area he’s most effective in. So he can’t be a fabulous footballer and a striker? Like we can’t discuss injured players because they don’t count? Mate you’re becoming a complete self parody. Calling solid League One/Potential Championship fabulous footballers while slating one of England’s and the Premier Leagues best ever strikers. Either completely on the wind up or a little bit unstable.
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Post by baconburger on Apr 28, 2024 11:44:21 GMT
Can't say I'd want to see any of the obtainable ones at Stoke bar maybe McBurnie.
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Post by jokker on Apr 28, 2024 11:50:41 GMT
Why not just keep Stevens for another year and bring in someone to develop through the season as back up. Because, sadly, he's knackered yesterday was a good example, second half he was really struggling he's not up to Championship football Saturday, Tuesday and struggles with 90 minutes I say sadly because when he plays for about an hour he looks very good for this level Which is why we need a competent backup, a perpetual sub, if you like. But someone who is young enough to accept being second choice when Stevens is fit.
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Post by baconburger on Apr 28, 2024 11:52:58 GMT
Because, sadly, he's knackered yesterday was a good example, second half he was really struggling he's not up to Championship football Saturday, Tuesday and struggles with 90 minutes I say sadly because when he plays for about an hour he looks very good for this level Which is why we need a competent backup, a perpetual sub, if you like. But someone who is young enough to accept being second choice when Stevens is fit. Really, Is he any more than adequate even when fit?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 11:54:04 GMT
He wasn’t a midfielder last time I looked. It’s the last thing he should be doing but he can’t help but let his team down and leave the area he’s most effective in. So he can’t be a fabulous footballer and a striker? Like we can’t discuss injured players because they don’t count? Mate you’re becoming a complete self parody. Calling solid League One/Potential Championship fabulous footballers while slating one of England’s and the Premier Leagues best ever strikers. Either completely on the wind up or a little bit unstable. I think he’s a good goal scorer but a hinderance to the team. I could actually see him doing really well in midfield tbh. My issue with Kane isn’t about his ability.
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Post by lagwafis on Apr 28, 2024 11:54:25 GMT
He’s always been a really really good footballer. Either way, Lincoln fans used to think he was crap when he first arrived. Apparently put on a lot of size and that now marries up to the footballing side of him. I was speaking with a couple of Lincoln fans last month. They felt Sorensen had become a much better player since they moved him out wide. They see him more of a wing back or right sided utility player in 3-5-2 or 3-4-3. 6 goals and 8 assists has been a good return from him this season. Where that would fit in at Stoke with Manhoef, Leris and Junior already down that side is the question www.transfermarkt.co.uk/lasse-sorensen/leistungsdaten/spieler/357967
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 28, 2024 11:55:28 GMT
So he can’t be a fabulous footballer and a striker? Like we can’t discuss injured players because they don’t count? Mate you’re becoming a complete self parody. Calling solid League One/Potential Championship fabulous footballers while slating one of England’s and the Premier Leagues best ever strikers. Either completely on the wind up or a little bit unstable. I think he’s a good goal scorer but a hinderance to the team. I could actually see him doing really well in midfield tbh. My issue with Kane isn’t about his ability. Hmmmmm. Goalscorers can be problematic I agree. But usually to the team they’re scoring against.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 11:59:57 GMT
I think he’s a good goal scorer but a hinderance to the team. I could actually see him doing really well in midfield tbh. My issue with Kane isn’t about his ability. Hmmmmm. Goalscorers can be problematic I agree. But usually to the team they’re scoring against. Ronaldo did it at Juve and Man Yoo. It becomes all about them and not the team effort.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 28, 2024 13:22:42 GMT
Norrington Davies and who else?. Not sure I was that impressed by ND though?. I certainly wouldn't mind Norrington Davies back! A very good defender in my opinion.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 28, 2024 13:33:53 GMT
Hmmmmm. Goalscorers can be problematic I agree. But usually to the team they’re scoring against. Ronaldo did it at Juve and Man Yoo. It becomes all about them and not the team effort. Ronaldo I agree but Kane? He's one of the most unselfish, team orientated strikers I can think of. The role he has for England as a withdrawn striker does make him the focal of point of the play but that's the job he's been asked to do, not because Kane wants the game to be all about him (unlike Ronaldo). If you don't like the way Kane plays for England you should really blame Southgate, not Kane.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 13:36:00 GMT
Ronaldo did it at Juve and Man Yoo. It becomes all about them and not the team effort. Ronaldo I agree but Kane? He's one of the most unselfish, team orientated strikers I can think of. The role he has for England as a withdrawn striker does make him the focal of point of the play but that's the job he's been asked to do, not because Kane wants the game to be all about him (unlike Ronaldo). If you don't like the way Kane plays for England you should really blame Southgate, not Kane. I can see why people think that but I think his motivation for is different to most others. If he’s not getting the ball up the pitch he will drop for it because he wants the game to be about him. I think he’s one of the most selfish players around and just gets in the way doing the job others should be doing. England would be much better off without him. We have better players who he gets in the way of. Southgate can get in the bin too
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Post by greenhoff on Apr 28, 2024 13:38:44 GMT
According to some Eric Pieters is coming on a free as a back up, which suggest a younger number one will be a target?. I was told this yesterday.
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Post by stokesupporter on Apr 28, 2024 13:41:56 GMT
That S. Korean striker. Don't remember his name.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Apr 28, 2024 13:57:27 GMT
Fabulous Fabulous 😂😂😂😂 Bayerns fishing again. No. I just like watching midfielders who ping 60 yard accurate passes at ease. I watched him the the vile 2 months ago and he didn't play midfield for Lincoln. No idea if he was filling in a RWB but if he's as good as your suggesting he'd have been in midfield surely?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 14:05:04 GMT
No. I just like watching midfielders who ping 60 yard accurate passes at ease. I watched him the the vile 2 months ago and he didn't play midfield for Lincoln. No idea if he was filling in a RWB but if he's as good as your suggesting he'd have been in midfield surely? I’ve addressed that above. He played deep but it didn’t really suit a middling team as he was just a passer. He plays regularly rwb for them.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Apr 28, 2024 14:06:37 GMT
I watched him the the vile 2 months ago and he didn't play midfield for Lincoln. No idea if he was filling in a RWB but if he's as good as your suggesting he'd have been in midfield surely? I’ve addressed that above. He played deep but it didn’t really suit a middling team as he was just a passer. He plays regularly rwb for them. So why would he suit us?
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Post by jokker on Apr 28, 2024 14:11:45 GMT
Which is why we need a competent backup, a perpetual sub, if you like. But someone who is young enough to accept being second choice when Stevens is fit. Really, Is he any more than adequate even when fit? I think that when he finally declared himself fit (somewhat fit) that Stoke's fortunes took a turn for the better. I'm not saying he alone saved us from relegation, but his presence made a difference. Nor am I saying that he is the best leftback since Paul Breitner, but he's the only one that we have been able to sign for years. Regardless of what one thinks of Tymon (who has apparently learned to defend at Swansea), letting him go before signing a proper replacement could have cost us very dearly.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 14:13:24 GMT
I’ve addressed that above. He played deep but it didn’t really suit a middling team as he was just a passer. He plays regularly rwb for them. So why would he suit us? I haven’t said he would I don’t think?
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Post by baconburger on Apr 28, 2024 14:16:31 GMT
Really, Is he any more than adequate even when fit? I think that when he finally declared himself fit (somewhat fit) that Stoke's fortunes took a turn for the better. I'm not saying he alone saved us from relegation, but his presence made a difference. Nor am I saying that he is the best leftback since Paul Breitner, but he's the only one that we have been able to sign for years. Regardless of what one thinks of Tymon (who has apparently learned to defend at Swansea), letting him go before signing a proper replacement could have cost us very dearly. Same people who said Tymon couldn't defend now slag off Hoever. They think that FB is a primarily defensive role, I just think they're very old and out of touch.
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Post by jokker on Apr 28, 2024 14:20:56 GMT
I think that when he finally declared himself fit (somewhat fit) that Stoke's fortunes took a turn for the better. I'm not saying he alone saved us from relegation, but his presence made a difference. Nor am I saying that he is the best leftback since Paul Breitner, but he's the only one that we have been able to sign for years. Regardless of what one thinks of Tymon (who has apparently learned to defend at Swansea), letting him go before signing a proper replacement could have cost us very dearly. Same people who said Tymon couldn't defend now slag off Hoever. They think that FB is a primarily defensive role, I just think they're very old and out of touch. Are you talking about yourself...?
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Post by baconburger on Apr 28, 2024 14:24:32 GMT
Same people who said Tymon couldn't defend now slag off Hoever. They think that FB is a primarily defensive role, I just think they're very old and out of touch. Are you talking about yourself...? Naah I'm middle aged
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Post by Northy on Apr 28, 2024 15:01:29 GMT
I'm fairly confident we will sign Jaheim Headley Inside source ?
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Post by Northy on Apr 28, 2024 15:03:04 GMT
As usual we require a keeper, 2 centre backs, 2 full backs and 2 strikers. Rinse and repeat Rinse in new manager dishwater ?
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Post by stokiedan17 on Apr 28, 2024 15:12:48 GMT
Wouldn’t mind dele alli down here. He seems to be getting over his demons. And if we can get him in to a good environment where we look after our players ( just look what we did for etherington) we could have some player on our hands
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Post by biddulphchav on Apr 28, 2024 15:32:06 GMT
He’s not playing for anyone. And is still a pretty shit footballer. Fantastic application and decent finisher when he doesn’t have time. But playing above his station because he’s a grafter for two teams that are underdogs. If that’s your thing then fair enough. I’d rather watch football than athletes. I actually think our overuse of him has probably led to his current injury and that’s a shame for the lad. You’ve lost me. He’s injured so he doesn’t count? Odd. Can we expect to see Sorensen in the Premier League soon then? Because really really good footballers tend to end up there. I am absolutely loathe to do this but I have to agree with Bayern. I’ve even heard ex Prem players talk about how some of the best actual footballers are in the lower leagues. The difference is usually athletic ability and attitude in a lot of cases. There are a few floating around that are really talented but are either too slow and unfit and / or unwilling to do what it takes to get to the very top, despite their talent. There’s been loads over the years like this and no doubt still is. On the flip side, you do have players like Brown who are fantastic athletes but are limited ball players - we had a side full of them bar one or two in our first season in the Prem
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 28, 2024 15:40:01 GMT
Ronaldo I agree but Kane? He's one of the most unselfish, team orientated strikers I can think of. The role he has for England as a withdrawn striker does make him the focal of point of the play but that's the job he's been asked to do, not because Kane wants the game to be all about him (unlike Ronaldo). If you don't like the way Kane plays for England you should really blame Southgate, not Kane. I can see why people think that but I think his motivation for is different to most others. If he’s not getting the ball up the pitch he will drop for it because he wants the game to be about him. I think he’s one of the most selfish players around and just gets in the way doing the job others should be doing. England would be much better off without him. We have better players who he gets in the way of. Southgate can get in the bin too Kane is one of the most unassuming players you could find - he really isn't the sort who would make it all about him. The role he plays for England isn't Kane being the big i am - it's purely tactical. What he does in that role is completely unselfish - he forgoes being the main goal threat in order to pull defenders forward and create space for others. You really have got that all wrong.
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Post by lordb on Apr 28, 2024 15:43:38 GMT
Because, sadly, he's knackered yesterday was a good example, second half he was really struggling he's not up to Championship football Saturday, Tuesday and struggles with 90 minutes I say sadly because when he plays for about an hour he looks very good for this level Which is why we need a competent backup, a perpetual sub, if you like. But someone who is young enough to accept being second choice when Stevens is fit. Sorry first choice has to be able to play 90 minutes
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 28, 2024 15:54:45 GMT
I think that when he finally declared himself fit (somewhat fit) that Stoke's fortunes took a turn for the better. I'm not saying he alone saved us from relegation, but his presence made a difference. Nor am I saying that he is the best leftback since Paul Breitner, but he's the only one that we have been able to sign for years. Regardless of what one thinks of Tymon (who has apparently learned to defend at Swansea), letting him go before signing a proper replacement could have cost us very dearly. Same people who said Tymon couldn't defend now slag off Hoever. They think that FB is a primarily defensive role, I just think they're very old and out of touch. This article gives a pretty good definition of the modern fullback: "The modern full-back’s duties are at both ends of the pitch; they must support attacks and defend in almost equal measure." They key point is this: What are the disadvantages to playing with a modern full-back?Playing with a modern full-back can leave big gaps in wide areas into which the opposition can counter-attack. If they can access this space, the centre-backs may be left exposed with a fast attacker dribbling towards them at pace. If a coach asks the full-back to contribute to both the attacking and defending phases of the game, but the player isn’t capable of doing one or the other adequately, the team can suffer. The position requires immense physical capacity, particularly in terms of speed, stamina and endurance; if the player selected cannot keep up with the pace of the game, their team can be left with serious deficiencies at one or both ends of the pitch." The thing is to play this role well players have to be exceptional - they have to be able to attack, defend and cover more of the pitch (at speed) than any other position on the pitch. A modern fullback who cannot defend is a complete liability - any half decent opposition will make mincemeat out of a team with a modern fullback who can't defend properly. You cannot turn a blind eye to a fullback who can't defend. If you can't get a "modern fullback" to defend properly any sane coach will drop them and change formation to accommodate a more traditional, defensive minded fullback.
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Post by pmjh on Apr 28, 2024 15:58:04 GMT
Which is why we need a competent backup, a perpetual sub, if you like. But someone who is young enough to accept being second choice when Stevens is fit. Sorry first choice has to be able to play 90 minutes And more than 8 games a season
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