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Post by sticky on Apr 14, 2024 9:18:07 GMT
Is this the worst team we’ve put together since relegation? And I’m not just talking about ability (I genuinely think we’ve got some half decent players) Overall as a team it is for me, don’t score enough, defence is appaling and don’t seem to have much fight in them.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Apr 14, 2024 9:25:39 GMT
Showing my age but it really reminds me of the Brian Little team. No fight easy to roll over. No goals in it,  |
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Post by foster on Apr 14, 2024 9:37:35 GMT
Is this the worst team we’ve put together since relegation? And I’m not just talking about ability (I genuinely think we’ve got some half decent players) Overall as a team it is for me, don’t score enough, defence is appaling and don’t seem to have much fight in them. I know we've made some defensive blunders, but I think a lot of our 'poor defence' stems from having such a shit attack and an inability by our midfield to keep possession and control a game. We're 19th our of 24 in attack and 15th out of 24 in defence. The lack of goals we've scored all season has been the biggest issue imo. Averaging less than a goal a game, and even worse when you consider we put 4 past Rotherham. 17 games this season where we haven't scored a single goal. |
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Post by lordb on Apr 14, 2024 9:39:30 GMT
Is this the worst team we’ve put together since relegation? And I’m not just talking about ability (I genuinely think we’ve got some half decent players) Overall as a team it is for me, don’t score enough, defence is appaling and don’t seem to have much fight in them. I know we've made some defensive blunders, but I think a lot of our 'poor defence' stems from having such a shit attack and an inability by our midfield to keep possession and control a game. We're 19th our of 24 in attack and 15th out of 24 in defence. The lack of goals we've scored all season has been the biggest issue imo. Averaging less than a goal a game, and even worse when you consider we put 4 past Rotherham. 17 games this season where we haven't scored a single goal. We've had far worse defence and keeper yup issue is the other end at this level this is as bad we have been for scoring |
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 14, 2024 9:42:48 GMT
If we’re comparing like for like, personally I see a lot of ‘Joe Jordan’ style football going on right now… not one department in our team is functioning well. They’re trying but it’s god awful football to watch…
That’s my take….
Be glad when this seasons over, in fact I don’t think I’ve wanted a season to be over as much as this one in a long long time.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 14, 2024 9:46:23 GMT
Is this the worst team we’ve put together since relegation? And I’m not just talking about ability (I genuinely think we’ve got some half decent players) Overall as a team it is for me, don’t score enough, defence is appaling and don’t seem to have much fight in them. Yes it is, hence our perilous league position. The entire spine of the team needs to be replaced. We are in a right mess. The central striker options are frighteningly poor. |
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Post by xchpotter on Apr 14, 2024 9:49:42 GMT
Stats and the table don’t lie. I’ve given up trying to work out just why it’s gone so wrong and how on earth it’s fixed. It’s just a complete and utter mess and we are really in the last chance saloon if we manage to stay up this year. If it doesn’t see an improvement for next season it’s nailed on relegation.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 14, 2024 9:54:13 GMT
It's got to be up there. It's a truly awful side isn't it, not helped by a new formation and starting xi every week.
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Post by sticky on Apr 14, 2024 10:21:34 GMT
Is this the worst team we’ve put together since relegation? And I’m not just talking about ability (I genuinely think we’ve got some half decent players) Overall as a team it is for me, don’t score enough, defence is appaling and don’t seem to have much fight in them. I know we've made some defensive blunders, but I think a lot of our 'poor defence' stems from having such a shit attack and an inability by our midfield to keep possession and control a game. We're 19th our of 24 in attack and 15th out of 24 in defence. The lack of goals we've scored all season has been the biggest issue imo. Averaging less than a goal a game, and even worse when you consider we put 4 past Rotherham. 17 games this season where we haven't scored a single goal. Get what you saying there fozzy, I just think we seem to lack any sort of footballing intelligence at the back. Steven’s seem ok but the are terrible |
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Post by GrahamHyde on Apr 14, 2024 10:53:01 GMT
Stats and the table don’t lie. I’ve given up trying to work out just why it’s gone so wrong and how on earth it’s fixed. It’s just a complete and utter mess and we are really in the last chance saloon if we manage to stay up this year. If it doesn’t see an improvement for next season it’s nailed on relegation. Yeah if we manage to stay up this season then we'll be among the understandable favourites for relegation next campaign. The optimist in me remembers what Schumacher said at the fan's forum and is hopeful that we'll have more stability in the squad to be able to build fitness levels and get a decent pre-season behind us. |
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Post by mrnovember on Apr 14, 2024 11:07:53 GMT
We look neat and tidy on the counter. It's the way I'd try and play this team.
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Post by sticky on Apr 14, 2024 11:57:45 GMT
We look neat and tidy on the counter. It's the way I'd try and play this team. Again I do agree that mate, but can’t really set up like that at home, I don’t know what the answer is tbh, like I say we’ve got some decent players, that’s why it’s so frustrating |
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Apr 14, 2024 12:16:50 GMT
Is this the worst team we’ve put together since relegation? And I’m not just talking about ability (I genuinely think we’ve got some half decent players) Overall as a team it is for me, don’t score enough, defence is appaling and don’t seem to have much fight in them. Yes it is, hence our perilous league position. The entire spine of the team needs to be replaced. We are in a right mess. The central striker options are frighteningly poor. I don't know about spine. The Coxxyx, Rib Cage and Sternum need throwing out as well. |
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Post by sticky on Apr 14, 2024 12:30:39 GMT
Is this the worst team we’ve put together since relegation? And I’m not just talking about ability (I genuinely think we’ve got some half decent players) Overall as a team it is for me, don’t score enough, defence is appaling and don’t seem to have much fight in them. Yes it is, hence our perilous league position. The entire spine of the team needs to be replaced. We are in a right mess. The central striker options are frighteningly poor. The strikers have got to be the worst bunch in the league, surely we’re due a bit of gold in that department |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 14, 2024 12:43:42 GMT
We look neat and tidy on the counter. It's the way I'd try and play this team. Indeed Million and Junho are excellent at breaking at pace |
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Post by mrnovember on Apr 14, 2024 13:07:07 GMT
We look neat and tidy on the counter. It's the way I'd try and play this team. Indeed Million and Junho are excellent at breaking at pace Campbell too. His assist for the goal has gone under the radar imo. |
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Post by headsgoup on Apr 14, 2024 13:32:40 GMT
I've never seen a team that leaves its central strike so isolated.
3421, 352, 4231, you name it, we always have some poor sod cutting a lonely figure up top.
Fashions come and go I suppose, but I long for the days when formations don't end in 1 again.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 14, 2024 17:29:45 GMT
I remember thinking to myself at the start of the season, 'whatever happens, it'll be an improvement on the last few seasons'.
I'm still staggered by just how bad we have been! New low after new low.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Apr 14, 2024 17:35:44 GMT
Neil and Tricky Ricky have a lot to answer for ☹️
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Post by milton58 on Apr 14, 2024 17:41:03 GMT
Neil and Tricky Ricky have a lot to answer for ☹️ and John coates for appointing them in the first place the buck stops with him |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 14, 2024 17:44:17 GMT
At least this lot try but just aren’t very good. The bunch of mercenary loanees Neil brought in second half of last season take the accolade of worst team since relegation. Remember when we had beaten Coventry away 4-1 and were on 51 points with 7 games to go and safe from relegation. Off they toddled to the beach with their 50 point bonuses and the last 7 games yielded just 2 more points when we could easily have achieved top ten. Wankers the lot of them.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 14, 2024 18:09:13 GMT
The more I reflect on the Neil tenure the more annoyed I get.
Left Sunderland to come to us for triple his salary and a shorter commute to work (don’t blame him for that necessarily) and it showed. Just a complete lacklustre shit show, and not an ounce of humility from the guy before, during or after he was here.
A disaster……
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Post by jm on Apr 14, 2024 18:11:36 GMT
Not the worst no. The Rowettball era was much worse for me. At least we have some footballers in the team.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 14, 2024 18:14:33 GMT
It’s hard to say. I think we looked the most solid under O’Neill to be honest but his position became untenable. I really think no mater what Schumacher should be given an opportunity to spend pre season forming his own team if possible. If he ends up failing then so be it. To get yet another manager in is just daft to me. Especially with our recruitment record
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 14, 2024 18:17:03 GMT
Is this the worst team we’ve put together since relegation? And I’m not just talking about ability (I genuinely think we’ve got some half decent players) Overall as a team it is for me, don’t score enough, defence is appaling and don’t seem to have much fight in them. I know we've made some defensive blunders, but I think a lot of our 'poor defence' stems from having such a shit attack and an inability by our midfield to keep possession and control a game. We're 19th our of 24 in attack and 15th out of 24 in defence. The lack of goals we've scored all season has been the biggest issue imo. Averaging less than a goal a game, and even worse when you consider we put 4 past Rotherham. 17 games this season where we haven't scored a single goal. Spot on for me. Even the best sides in the league don’t all have fantastic defences, they just make sure they score enough with a decent attack that means if they are shit, they’re still likely to get something from a game. We don’t score enough which means our “Stoke 0” piles loads of pressure onto the defence. It’s why I don’t always get the pragmatic approach we’ve tried under all managers since relegation. |
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Post by skip on Apr 14, 2024 18:19:04 GMT
The more I reflect on the Neil tenure the more annoyed I get. Left Sunderland to come to us for triple his salary and a shorter commute to work (don’t blame him for that necessarily) and it showed. Just a complete lacklustre shit show, and not an ounce of humility from the guy before, during or after he was here. A disaster…… Me and the nipper were dissecting yesterdays game and it ended up with my realisation that Alex Neil fucked us over with his arrogance. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 14, 2024 18:19:34 GMT
For me it’s all about the defence.
You get away with it at every level of football if you have a defence that does its job.
We got to the Premier League and became fixtures there based on a solid defence.
Since relegation we’ve gradually dismantled a decent defence and replaced it with players who either can’t defend or don’t want to. Last season we averted this type of situation simply because we had Jagielka.
This season without him and replacing him with the likes of Rose and McNally we’re pretty much a sitting duck. Teams look at us and think we can get at these.
If I could give Schumacher one piece of advice it would be to sign three players who are good defenders first and foremost.
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Post by chad on Apr 14, 2024 18:31:54 GMT
Is this the worst team we’ve put together since relegation? And I’m not just talking about ability (I genuinely think we’ve got some half decent players) Overall as a team it is for me, don’t score enough, defence is appaling and don’t seem to have much fight in them. Yes |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 14, 2024 18:37:22 GMT
Just trying to think of the worst XI of players that have played regularly
This is what I’d go for:
Butland
Martina Williams Wilmot Ward
Laurent Allen Mikel
Leris Vokes Fosu
Please though if I’ve missed someone obvious let me know.
And to preempt:
Re Butland not Bonham or Bursik - I just think Butland was terrible
In that first season down. At fault for 5/6 goals and just had no confidence or anything.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Apr 14, 2024 18:44:51 GMT
For me it’s all about the defence. You get away with it at every level of football if you have a defence that does its job. We got to the Premier League and became fixtures there based on a solid defence. Since relegation we’ve gradually dismantled a decent defence and replaced it with players who either can’t defend or don’t want to. Last season we averted this type of situation simply because we had Jagielka. This season without him and replacing him with the likes of Rose and McNally we’re pretty much a sitting duck. Teams look at us and think we can get at these. If I could give Schumacher one piece of advice it would be to sign three players who are good defenders first and foremost. Spot on. Every single great team is based on a solid defence. It's the foundation that a great team is based on, making yourself hard to beat is always the first objective towards winning. The fact that AN and RM ignored that is a big reason why we're in this fucking mess. |
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