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Post by Robo10 on Apr 11, 2024 8:02:57 GMT
Hear me out please first.
We are in the shit, I get it, have been for a while, but performances of late have been better
The team has put in some massive performances in recent weeks
Boro at home was a great win, a shit first half v Leeds but the team put a shift in second half and were unlucky not to get something A great win at Preston, followed up with a stinker at home to Norwich Hull away was a real effort, followed up by an average game against Huddersfield 3 days later but still got a point A herculean effort against WBA on Saturday, where I visibly watched players sink to their knees at the end in exhaustion - its no surprise to me that they were dire and lacklustre last night
Deffo a pattern, they are much much fitter than they were when SS arrived and we would have lost Huddersfield and WBA for sure and maybe not got the late Preston win beforehand, but he is using the same 15 or so players in games and they will be overused (or in some cases not used to this level of continuous intensity if coming from abroad)
Back to Saturdays only now, I'm hopeful we can regroup on Saturday with a strong outing (hoping so, dont think I've attended 3 away wins on the bounce before!), then a week off before what is a massive game v Plymouth
Got to stick with them, need to make the home game loud from all sides.
Still think Brum and Blackburn or Plymouth will go down
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 11, 2024 8:08:57 GMT
So which bit are you saying is an overreaction? We are in the midst of one of the worst season's in the club's modern history and just taken a 3-0 pummelling at fellow (now former) relegation candidates Swansea. It's a terrible situation.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Apr 11, 2024 8:09:40 GMT
I agree with you he can only work with what he has and they are clearly low on confidence and consistency. But we have managed to get a result each time after our last 3 losses so let's hope for the same on Saturday, though I cant help feeling that Plymouth will be massive given the former connection.
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Post by noustie on Apr 11, 2024 8:27:52 GMT
For me I don't think the fans happy clapping and getting behind them is going to make that much difference as they're a rag tag group chucked together with barely any evident chemistry or affiliation to us. We're missing ugly scary bastards throughout the team - I'd take a Razor Wallace, or even a James O'Connor (who I couldn't stand at the time), as at least you knew you were getting 100% and other players feed off that as the crowd, rightly or wrongly, get on the back of the lazier ones. Our center backs - jesus I'd fancy my chances in a pub fight against them and in comparison to Huth, Overson, Faye, Shawcross, etc they are absolute fannies. If those fuckers told you to do something you fucking did it!
However, if we get on these fanny's backs they're likely to shit in their pants and we could easily get sucked into something we should just about avoid.
I think the reaction to yesterday is a bit over the top - we were shit but if that goal had stood it's a completely different game. If they hadn't got that penalty again it's a totally different game. The worry is our reaction was fucking awful - that injustice should have sparked some fight in the bastards but instead most of them looked like it was a bit rainy and wanted get back in the bath/shower.
Hopefully with Walters appointed in the next windows we get less signings but, cliched as it is, there seems to be a plan around DNA as we've some decent enough players but just haven't a spine to attach them too.
If Burger and Bae had a Gunnarsson; if Rose had an Overson and; if any one of the current crop of strikers adverse to banjoing bovine buttocks had a Momo we might start getting somewhere!
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Post by Robo10 on Apr 11, 2024 8:28:34 GMT
So which bit are you saying is an overreaction? We are in the midst of one of the worst season's in the club's modern history and just taken a 3-0 pummelling at fellow (now former) relegation candidates Swansea. It's a terrible situation. The reaction to last night. The bigger picture is still that of a poor season, but that was happening way before SS took over, and we have improved since he came in with the odd blip. Every win we have turned a corner and we have boundless positivity, every defeat sees wrist slashing and some of the worst negativity on here I can remember since the League 1/Gudjon days (its a good job there wasnt any internet in 1985/1989 and very little in 1998!) We are an average mid table EFL club currently that has underperformed this season (along with 9 other teams, Rotherham apart) 2 of those 9 will perish, the rest will get a chance to regroup and reset (again), we just need to stick together and make sure one of them is not us.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 11, 2024 8:30:44 GMT
Last night was a massive kick in the bollocks there's no getting away from it, we can win or lose against anyone in this division but that was as flat a performance as you could ever see at the worst possible time.
I'm not panicking just yet, but they simply cannot afford to play in such a lethargic way over the next 2 games or make no mistake we're in the shit..........
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 11, 2024 8:32:07 GMT
How can it be an overraction to a performance that saw us have our first shot on goal in the 87th minute, against a side that had previously won only 2 home games out of approx. the previous 11?
We didn't lay a glove on them at a point in the season where we need to be doing the basics correctly as a bare minimum.
I think the reaction to that performance has been just about spot on and exactly what it deserves.
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Post by stokesupporter on Apr 11, 2024 8:49:13 GMT
How can it be an overraction to a performance that saw us have our first shot on goal in the 87th minute, against a side that had previously won only 2 home games out of approx. the previous 11? I think he means that it was a bad game, but it was just one bad game.
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Post by Robo10 on Apr 11, 2024 8:56:14 GMT
Indeed - a leggy, slow, half arsed game on the back of a mammoth effort to get something out of the WBA game at the weekend.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 11, 2024 9:00:38 GMT
It was terrible but been doing ok in general of late, better than most of the teams around us
Kick up the arse, move on to Saturday and a reaction from the team after the worst performance of the season for me.
Owe us a win at Wednesday after that
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 11, 2024 9:06:04 GMT
I had zero confidence in us winning last night. We’ve taken too many points from them in recent times and it’s just the way football goes. They owed us one and they gave it to us.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 11, 2024 9:12:42 GMT
I had zero confidence in us winning last night. We’ve taken too many points from them in recent times and it’s just the way football goes. They owed us one and they gave it to us. We tried to play way too much football on that pitch as well. We over play around the box at the best of times but you simply can't do it on a pitch that resembles a Cambodian rice field. Their first goal was a good ball into the box and first time hit. Meanwhile we were trying 5 passes to get it into the final third and they picked up everything,a bit like Vanessa Feltz at an all you can eat Dunkin Donuts. A nice cup of Gold Blend, a Mini Roll, relax and a reaction v Wednesday and all rosy again
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Post by eddyclamp on Apr 11, 2024 9:12:55 GMT
We made Swansea look like Man. City last night, IF we stay up we can count ourselves very lucky. Some of these players are not even league 1 standard. In a lot of cases we have got rid of players who were poor and replaced them with worse players. The squad is shit , IMO I think SS is out of his depth. I really hope he proves me wrong. There is always another calamity around the corner at Stoke, I can`t see it changing anytime soon. As for overreaction , I think the fans have been too patient. Hats off to those who traveled last night , all I had to do was throw the remote at the telly and turn it off. To sum up, a fuckin shitshow.
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Post by StokieDJC on Apr 11, 2024 9:18:15 GMT
We’ve one 1 in 5…. Not sure what the massive performances are.
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Post by StokieDJC on Apr 11, 2024 9:20:31 GMT
Or another way of putting it we have won 5 this year that’s 5 in 17.
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Post by cokecystfit on Apr 11, 2024 9:22:08 GMT
To me it looked like we were up for it in the early stages but couldn't adapt to the conditions. Even after conceding first and having a decision go against us, I don't think the result was down to a lack of effort. Maybe you can only chase so many games in a row? The dodgy penalty was the nail in our coffin last night but I'm sure we'll get better luck by the end of the season.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 11, 2024 9:23:51 GMT
I sort of know where you're coming from, and we have been much better of late, but don't play that badly and throw everything into doubt again. If we couldn't manage it at Swansea, how are they going to perform in the atmosphere of Hillsborough? Past results show that we have bounced back well generally from this sort of defeat, but I wouldn't be banking on getting anything this weekend.
There simply isn't enough time left in our season to be putting performances like that in and giving the benefit of the doubt to anyone involved. We only have 4 more opportunities to bounce back and we need at least two positive results.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 11, 2024 9:33:39 GMT
90 minutes is a small sample size to throw away the improved good will they'd gradually built up since the Cardiff away game.
But wretched performances are always going to get that type of reaction, particularly when the stakes on the game are basically having a cigar on for the final 4 games, or a nappy.
It'll obviously come down to the reaction now. Everything is in flux and it's all still on the table.
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Post by mamathestriker on Apr 11, 2024 9:35:41 GMT
90 minutes is a small sample size to throw away the improved good will they'd gradually built up since the Cardiff away game. But wretched performances are always going to get that type of reaction, particularly when the stakes on the game are basically having a cigar on for the final 4 games, or a nappy. It'll obviously come down to the reaction now. Everything is in flux and it's all still on the table. If we lose on Saturday do you think we'd panic and get rid of SS?
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Post by Gods on Apr 11, 2024 9:43:30 GMT
Hear me out please first. We are in the shit, I get it, have been for a while, but performances of late have been better The team has put in some massive performances in recent weeks Boro at home was a great win, a shit first half v Leeds but the team put a shift in second half and were unlucky not to get something A great win at Preston, followed up with a stinker at home to Norwich Hull away was a real effort, followed up by an average game against Huddersfield 3 days later but still got a point A herculean effort against WBA on Saturday, where I visibly watched players sink to their knees at the end in exhaustion - its no surprise to me that they were dire and lacklustre last night Deffo a pattern, they are much much fitter than they were when SS arrived and we would have lost Huddersfield and WBA for sure and maybe not got the late Preston win beforehand, but he is using the same 15 or so players in games and they will be overused (or in some cases not used to this level of continuous intensity if coming from abroad) Back to Saturdays only now, I'm hopeful we can regroup on Saturday with a strong outing (hoping so, dont think I've attended 3 away wins on the bounce before!), then a week off before what is a massive game v Plymouth Got to stick with them, need to make the home game loud from all sides. Still think Brum and Blackburn or Plymouth will go down I do think what really killed us what not our recent form but that back in November and December. We put together 4 consecutive results which read.. Blackburn Lost 0-3 QPR Lost 2-4 Plymouth Lost 1-2 Sheffield Wednesday Lost 0-1 We followed 4 consecutive defeats aganist relegation rivals with 3 consecutive draws. So there was 3 points from a possible 21, right there! That is what we are trying to recover from.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 11, 2024 9:44:05 GMT
I had zero confidence in us winning last night. We’ve taken too many points from them in recent times and it’s just the way football goes. They owed us one and they gave it to us. We tried to play way too much football on that pitch as well. We over play around the box at the best of times but you simply can't do it on a pitch that resembles a Cambodian rice field. Their first goal was a good ball into the box and first time hit. Meanwhile we were trying 5 passes to get it into the final third and they picked up everything,a bit like Vanessa Feltz at an all you can eat Dunkin Donuts. A nice cup of Gold Blend, a Mini Roll, relax and a reaction v Wednesday and all rosy again Did you know Vanessa gets ridden to work on the back of a motorbike every day? By a man called Justice.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 11, 2024 9:46:53 GMT
90 minutes is a small sample size to throw away the improved good will they'd gradually built up since the Cardiff away game. But wretched performances are always going to get that type of reaction, particularly when the stakes on the game are basically having a cigar on for the final 4 games, or a nappy. It'll obviously come down to the reaction now. Everything is in flux and it's all still on the table. If we lose on Saturday do you think we'd panic and get rid of SS? I'd be surprised, but it's hard to say without knowing more about how they view Schuey behind the scenes. I haven't detected any giveaway signs that the players aren't playing for him, although it's always an easy thing to say when they're shit - so I'd be surprised if they'd bring out the nuclear button in the circumstances.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 11, 2024 9:49:03 GMT
We tried to play way too much football on that pitch as well. We over play around the box at the best of times but you simply can't do it on a pitch that resembles a Cambodian rice field. Their first goal was a good ball into the box and first time hit. Meanwhile we were trying 5 passes to get it into the final third and they picked up everything,a bit like Vanessa Feltz at an all you can eat Dunkin Donuts. A nice cup of Gold Blend, a Mini Roll, relax and a reaction v Wednesday and all rosy again Did you know Vanessa gets ridden to work on the back of a motorbike every day? By a man called Justice. Whoever fixes the suspension must be dripping in bling
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 11, 2024 9:53:57 GMT
If we lose on Saturday do you think we'd panic and get rid of SS? I'd be surprised, but it's hard to say without knowing more about how they view Schuey behind the scenes. I haven't detected any giveaway signs that the players aren't playing for him, although it's always an easy thing to say when they're shit - so I'd be surprised if they'd bring out the nuclear button in the circumstances. I think they're definitely playing for him, they're all just wank.
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Post by idle on Apr 11, 2024 10:00:44 GMT
If we lose on Saturday do you think we'd panic and get rid of SS? I'd be surprised, but it's hard to say without knowing more about how they view Schuey behind the scenes. I haven't detected any giveaway signs that the players aren't playing for him, although it's always an easy thing to say when they're shit - so I'd be surprised if they'd bring out the nuclear button in the circumstances. It would be a proper panic if they did. 3 games to go is far too late for getting rid and hoping for an improvement. If we do, we'd be cartain to go down. After the season is another matter.
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Post by Scouse on Apr 11, 2024 10:01:48 GMT
Of course you stick with them ..what else as fans can you do
especially so close to the end of the season when fans imploding would only be counter productive , but last night was poor , even taking into account the poor referring decisions, and I mean really poor ..nobody stood up to be counted , not one ..aim not into false chest thumping ..but really where were the leaders last night ..
Various road closures , and dropping a mate off in Sandbach meant I finally got home about 3:40 ..so not very happy but more importantly increasingly concerned
To make matters worse off to the dentist now to have a tooth pulled ..it feels like I had 90 minutes of that last night also
We go again Saturday
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Post by bagnallboothen on Apr 11, 2024 10:05:17 GMT
Is the OP involved in running the club? It's that sort of attitude that has seen us stuck in quick sand for 8 years.
We did OK last week and tried really hard so we'll take tonight off. You must be on the wind up.
I've been hugely supportive of this manager but last night saw grown men losing 60/40 battles in their favour. I couldn't care if we'd won the last 5 games, it's absolutely inexcusable.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 11, 2024 10:09:21 GMT
Supporters can't help but react to that rancid performance last night.
If we had 100,000 fans behind these players,they would still be poor,because they are poor players.
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Post by xchpotter on Apr 11, 2024 10:11:20 GMT
My worry is the apparent culture of no bollocks. We first saw it when we have been on the cusp of a play off place at various stages of the season in the last 5 seasons and when push came to shove, they wilted like water starved pansies.
Advance now to a relegation battle where it matters and they are doing the same.
The only thing hat has changed is the players and what now is the pressure point, I. E. Relegation as opposed to play off position.
There is something fundamentally wrong and seemingly unidentifiable or unaddressable at this football club that is coursing through the veins of the players where we are turning good players into shite shadows.
I really don't know what the answer is, but I fear the worst.
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Post by jay1610 on Apr 11, 2024 10:12:17 GMT
Last night, and the reaction to it (inc. my own), reminded me of the defeat at Wigan under MON in the COVID season.
The team got hammered, and rightly so, after but responded well to it.
Crossing my fingers for the same on Saturday.
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