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Post by senojbor on Apr 11, 2024 10:49:39 GMT
Hear me out please first. We are in the shit, I get it, have been for a while, but performances of late have been better The team has put in some massive performances in recent weeks Boro at home was a great win, a shit first half v Leeds but the team put a shift in second half and were unlucky not to get something A great win at Preston, followed up with a stinker at home to Norwich Hull away was a real effort, followed up by an average game against Huddersfield 3 days later but still got a point A herculean effort against WBA on Saturday, where I visibly watched players sink to their knees at the end in exhaustion - its no surprise to me that they were dire and lacklustre last night Deffo a pattern, they are much much fitter than they were when SS arrived and we would have lost Huddersfield and WBA for sure and maybe not got the late Preston win beforehand, but he is using the same 15 or so players in games and they will be overused (or in some cases not used to this level of continuous intensity if coming from abroad) Back to Saturdays only now, I'm hopeful we can regroup on Saturday with a strong outing (hoping so, dont think I've attended 3 away wins on the bounce before!), then a week off before what is a massive game v Plymouth Got to stick with them, need to make the home game loud from all sides. Still think Brum and Blackburn or Plymouth will go down Spot on. Some fans don't realise that the opposing team have trained all week, planned and want to win the game every bit as much as we do. Conditions were awful but Swansea adapted much better to it and were the better team all night. SS needed to be aware that vids, Bae and Manhoef would be too lightweight on that pitch. They needed an extra bodies at the back like Wilmot and Junior and Campbell upfront doing the donkey work A Pulis styled 0-0 would have been better.
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Post by onionman on Apr 11, 2024 11:02:28 GMT
Yes, we’ve probably seen slightly worse one-off performances than that, under Schumacher, Neil and Jones.
But taking into context the opposition and importance of the match, that is the worst thing I’ve seen since we lost 5-2 at home to Man City and went down to the third division 26 years ago.
Overreaction my arse.
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Post by Robo10 on Apr 11, 2024 11:10:41 GMT
Is the OP involved in running the club? It's that sort of attitude that has seen us stuck in quick sand for 8 years. We did OK last week and tried really hard so we'll take tonight off. You must be on the wind up. I've been hugely supportive of this manager but last night saw grown men losing 60/40 battles in their favour. I couldn't care if we'd won the last 5 games, it's absolutely inexcusable. No buddy just a simple fan of many years, have seen much better than this, have seen a whole lot worse (trust me, a WHOLE lot!) Was just a poor performance, they happen, overplaying slow football in a monsoon/bog, rather than the direct ball that nearly paid off a number of times. Their third came from Hoever not crossing the ball and trying a clever inside ball, but the same ball that saw Million score on Sat. Wasnt the night for it. If we were 10 points further up the league most would have just shrugged it off as a piss poor night at the office.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 11, 2024 11:50:23 GMT
90 minutes is a small sample size to throw away the improved good will they'd gradually built up since the Cardiff away game. But wretched performances are always going to get that type of reaction, particularly when the stakes on the game are basically having a cigar on for the final 4 games, or a nappy. It'll obviously come down to the reaction now. Everything is in flux and it's all still on the table. If we lose on Saturday do you think we'd panic and get rid of SS? No
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 11, 2024 11:53:40 GMT
Hear me out please first. We are in the shit, I get it, have been for a while, but performances of late have been better The team has put in some massive performances in recent weeks Boro at home was a great win, a shit first half v Leeds but the team put a shift in second half and were unlucky not to get something A great win at Preston, followed up with a stinker at home to Norwich Hull away was a real effort, followed up by an average game against Huddersfield 3 days later but still got a point A herculean effort against WBA on Saturday, where I visibly watched players sink to their knees at the end in exhaustion - its no surprise to me that they were dire and lacklustre last night Deffo a pattern, they are much much fitter than they were when SS arrived and we would have lost Huddersfield and WBA for sure and maybe not got the late Preston win beforehand, but he is using the same 15 or so players in games and they will be overused (or in some cases not used to this level of continuous intensity if coming from abroad) Back to Saturdays only now, I'm hopeful we can regroup on Saturday with a strong outing (hoping so, dont think I've attended 3 away wins on the bounce before!), then a week off before what is a massive game v Plymouth Got to stick with them, need to make the home game loud from all sides. Still think Brum and Blackburn or Plymouth will go down Spot on. Some fans don't realise that the opposing team have trained all week, planned and want to win the game every bit as much as we do. Conditions were awful but Swansea adapted much better to it and were the better team all night. SS needed to be aware that vids, Bae and Manhoef would be too lightweight on that pitch. They needed an extra bodies at the back like Wilmot and Junior and Campbell upfront doing the donkey work A Pulis styled 0-0 would have been better. Regardless of the conditions I've been saying since WBA that Junho needs a rest. He collapsed at the end on Saturday in front of us and had to be helped to his feet by Laurent. He can't keep putting in these Herculean performances for 90 minutes twice a week. Seeing the conditions in my opinion he should have been dropped to the bench.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 11, 2024 11:53:57 GMT
I think it would be an overreaction if such a result didn't mean 2 of our remaining 4 games are absolutely massive 6 pointers. We were utterly rotten last night from start to finish and it was a really concerning performance. Wednesday have lost 4 home games since November, if we rock up like that again on Saturday we are 3 games away and 3 bad performances away from relegation.
If this was in the middle of the year, yeah maybe and overreaction but the club has a significant chance of dropping into the 3rd tier which would be frankly embarrassing for all concerned for a club with our resources and a newly appointed Sporting Director talking about getting us back into the Premier League.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 11, 2024 12:55:03 GMT
I think it would be an overreaction if such a result didn't mean 2 of our remaining 4 games are absolutely massive 6 pointers. We were utterly rotten last night from start to finish and it was a really concerning performance. Wednesday have lost 4 home games since November, if we rock up like that again on Saturday we are 3 games away and 3 bad performances away from relegation. If this was in the middle of the year, yeah maybe and overreaction but the club has a significant chance of dropping into the 3rd tier which would be frankly embarrassing for all concerned for a club with our resources and a newly appointed Sporting Director talking about getting us back into the Premier League. If we'd been playing like that every week then yes
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 11, 2024 12:57:49 GMT
No over reaction at all it was an appalling performance driven by an appalling selection and planning and thinking from the latest all fur coat and no knickers progressive coach . he has done it before regularly too sunderland , Norwich cardiff , to name 3 he is abjectly erratic and out of his depth we have no choice to stick now but it was an error nt to remove him and it’s likely to cost us the ultimate price
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 11, 2024 13:04:41 GMT
Spot on. Some fans don't realise that the opposing team have trained all week, planned and want to win the game every bit as much as we do. Conditions were awful but Swansea adapted much better to it and were the better team all night. SS needed to be aware that vids, Bae and Manhoef would be too lightweight on that pitch. They needed an extra bodies at the back like Wilmot and Junior and Campbell upfront doing the donkey work A Pulis styled 0-0 would have been better. Regardless of the conditions I've been saying since WBA that Junho needs a rest. He collapsed at the end on Saturday in front of us and had to be helped to his feet by Laurent. He can't keep putting in these Herculean performances for 90 minutes twice a week. Seeing the conditions in my opinion he should have been dropped to the bench. He's also in his 14 month of the season 😳 and flying all over the world. He'll be knackered. On the plus side it shows he has character...
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Post by biddulphchav on Apr 11, 2024 13:11:24 GMT
Hear me out please first. We are in the shit, I get it, have been for a while, but performances of late have been better The team has put in some massive performances in recent weeks Boro at home was a great win, a shit first half v Leeds but the team put a shift in second half and were unlucky not to get something A great win at Preston, followed up with a stinker at home to Norwich Hull away was a real effort, followed up by an average game against Huddersfield 3 days later but still got a point A herculean effort against WBA on Saturday, where I visibly watched players sink to their knees at the end in exhaustion - its no surprise to me that they were dire and lacklustre last night Deffo a pattern, they are much much fitter than they were when SS arrived and we would have lost Huddersfield and WBA for sure and maybe not got the late Preston win beforehand, but he is using the same 15 or so players in games and they will be overused (or in some cases not used to this level of continuous intensity if coming from abroad) Back to Saturdays only now, I'm hopeful we can regroup on Saturday with a strong outing (hoping so, dont think I've attended 3 away wins on the bounce before!), then a week off before what is a massive game v Plymouth Got to stick with them, need to make the home game loud from all sides. Still think Brum and Blackburn or Plymouth will go down Spot on. Some fans don't realise that the opposing team have trained all week, planned and want to win the game every bit as much as we do. Conditions were awful but Swansea adapted much better to it and were the better team all night. SS needed to be aware that vids, Bae and Manhoef would be too lightweight on that pitch. They needed an extra bodies at the back like Wilmot and Junior and Campbell upfront doing the donkey work A Pulis styled 0-0 would have been better. Agree with this. Also don’t think we can afford to start any games with Ennis up top, he offers next to nothing. Campbell at least has pace that pushes teams a bit deeper (not saying Campbell is the long term or even a good player at this level but he’s the best we’ve got fit right now). Vidigal should not be starting either, too lazy and lacks fight. Where has the Vidigal from early in the year gone? Remember him playing on at Millwall after he’d been kicked off the park and had a bad knock? Can’t believe the change in his attitude.
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Post by misterj on Apr 11, 2024 13:19:04 GMT
In 55 + years following SCFC this is definitely the strangest season I’ve witnessed. We can all crave for the halcyon days of Sir Stan, Greenhoff, Banks, Hudson, Shilton etc etc but we have to deal with the ‘here & now’. RM obviously saw the club as a hub to use to throw a massive gamble into the mix, try something the likes of Stoke don’t normally do and enlist a cosmopolitan, global group of players that might, just might, have brought glory to RM, to the club, to the city. It was a cheap bet which dramatically failed, only Bae & Burger of all those signings look ‘up to the job’. I’ve said it before (after about a dozen or so games when it was OBVIOUS the re-set was not gonna work) that a quick change of identity would have seen us go down a more pragmatic, backs against the walls, let’s pick players who’ll run through a brick wall. That strategy also fails sometimes but it was desperately needed - you can name lots of battling midfielders down the years at Stoke - Mahoney, Ware, Beeston, Whelan ….. players who would never have been good enough for the top six prem clubs but, boy, what we’d give to have someone like that now??
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Post by stokeoptimist on Apr 11, 2024 13:19:23 GMT
No over reaction at all it was an appalling performance driven by an appalling selection and planning and thinking from the latest all fur coat and no knickers progressive coach . he has done it before regularly too sunderland , Norwich cardiff , to name 3 he is abjectly erratic and out of his depth we have no choice to stick now but it was an error nt to remove him and it’s likely to cost us the ultimate price Yes because removing managers always works for us doesnt it? Here's a thought let's stick by one for a change? Oh and you conveniently forget to mention Boro, Preston and Hull all wins following losses. The manager is not the issue, the ability and confidence of the players is. What did they expect bringing in 18 strangers and expecting them to perform as a team against other established sides, was never going to work. If we can survive you will see how good he is next season.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Apr 11, 2024 13:21:26 GMT
Agree, there has been an over reaction to last nights abject display and given all the mitigating circumstances I can just about understand it.
What I won’t be able to understand will be if we do the same Saturday against our biggest (imo) relegation rivals.
First base is that the manager err sorry Chief Coach simply has to get his selection right. Second base is that the chosen XI play with desire and commitment
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Post by professorplump on Apr 11, 2024 13:51:29 GMT
No over reaction at all it was an appalling performance driven by an appalling selection and planning and thinking from the latest all fur coat and no knickers progressive coach . he has done it before regularly too sunderland , Norwich cardiff , to name 3 he is abjectly erratic and out of his depth we have no choice to stick now but it was an error nt to remove him and it’s likely to cost us the ultimate price An 'appalling selection' that nearly everyone on here agreed with. In general I don't think there has been much overreaction but it is just a shame that the performance has given you the opportunity to spout your usual drivel. I can feel your excitement at the opportunity.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 11, 2024 15:46:27 GMT
No over reaction at all it was an appalling performance driven by an appalling selection and planning and thinking from the latest all fur coat and no knickers progressive coach . he has done it before regularly too sunderland , Norwich cardiff , to name 3 he is abjectly erratic and out of his depth we have no choice to stick now but it was an error nt to remove him and it’s likely to cost us the ultimate price An 'appalling selection' that nearly everyone on here agreed with. In general I don't think there has been much overreaction but it is just a shame that the performance has given you the opportunity to spout your usual drivel. I can feel your excitement at the opportunity. Well thasays nowt from the minute the team was available it was a nonsense an accident waiting t happen and duly did we went form a tight difficult to l play against approach at hull to a halrlem globe trotters front 4 absolutely stupid
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 11, 2024 15:48:40 GMT
No over reaction at all it was an appalling performance driven by an appalling selection and planning and thinking from the latest all fur coat and no knickers progressive coach . he has done it before regularly too sunderland , Norwich cardiff , to name 3 he is abjectly erratic and out of his depth we have no choice to stick now but it was an error nt to remove him and it’s likely to cost us the ultimate price Yes because removing managers always works for us doesnt it? Here's a thought let's stick by one for a change? Oh and you conveniently forget to mention Boro, Preston and Hull all wins following losses. The manager is not the issue, the ability and confidence of the players is. What did they expect bringing in 18 strangers and expecting them to perform as a team against other established sides, was never going to work. If we can survive you will see how good he is next season. So if we dont survive he goes ?
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Post by thornestein on Apr 11, 2024 15:50:12 GMT
Yes because removing managers always works for us doesnt it? Here's a thought let's stick by one for a change? Oh and you conveniently forget to mention Boro, Preston and Hull all wins following losses. The manager is not the issue, the ability and confidence of the players is. What did they expect bringing in 18 strangers and expecting them to perform as a team against other established sides, was never going to work. If we can survive you will see how good he is next season. So if we dont survive he goes ? he should go either way or we risk doing exactly the same next season
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Post by greenhoff on Apr 11, 2024 15:56:27 GMT
I know where the OP is coming from. It was a rancid performance but to an extent we just have to get on with it and move on to the next game. I honestly wouldn’t care if we lost the next four as long as we are still in the Championship. What we then have to do is then reflect and then take action. I hope we now have a bloke in charge in SJW that will make the right decisions. IMO whatever happens Shumacher and half the players need moving on.
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Post by milky on Apr 11, 2024 17:30:03 GMT
I don't think it was an over reaction at all.
It was meant to be the first of 5 " Cup finals " and it was clear as day many of the team didn't fancy it one bit ,none more so than the so called captain who went missing again.
Still not to worry they will be punching the air giving it large if we manage to stay up.
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Post by questionable on Apr 11, 2024 17:48:09 GMT
Personally I wouldn’t say it’s an overreaction more like reality just how really piss poor we are.
Said it before and will say it again we as a collective put up with any shit served up to us.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 11, 2024 17:48:54 GMT
Last night was a disgrace.
Ten minutes in it was blatantly obvious they wanted it more and were much more organised and cohesive.
We looked like a team without purpose or belief.
Play like that on Saturday and we’ll get stuffed. And we’ll be heading where we deserve to be based on the level of performance last night.
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Post by chamberlain on Apr 11, 2024 17:51:23 GMT
Totally disillusioned by the shit served up last night , there was no excuse for it and every player on that pitch should be ashamed
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Post by peterpan1 on Apr 11, 2024 17:55:40 GMT
Hear me out please first. We are in the shit, I get it, have been for a while, but performances of late have been better The team has put in some massive performances in recent weeks Boro at home was a great win, a shit first half v Leeds but the team put a shift in second half and were unlucky not to get something A great win at Preston, followed up with a stinker at home to Norwich Hull away was a real effort, followed up by an average game against Huddersfield 3 days later but still got a point A herculean effort against WBA on Saturday, where I visibly watched players sink to their knees at the end in exhaustion - its no surprise to me that they were dire and lacklustre last night Deffo a pattern, they are much much fitter than they were when SS arrived and we would have lost Huddersfield and WBA for sure and maybe not got the late Preston win beforehand, but he is using the same 15 or so players in games and they will be overused (or in some cases not used to this level of continuous intensity if coming from abroad) Back to Saturdays only now, I'm hopeful we can regroup on Saturday with a strong outing (hoping so, dont think I've attended 3 away wins on the bounce before!), then a week off before what is a massive game v Plymouth Got to stick with them, need to make the home game loud from all sides. Still think Brum and Blackburn or Plymouth will go down I'm not buying that I'm afraid. These players are supposed to be elite athletes who happen to be paid a fucking fortune. Playing 95 mins twice a week (if that's what you call it) should be a walk in the park. Other teams manage it. If the players were knackered the manager should have had a plan B !!
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Apr 11, 2024 17:58:33 GMT
Concerned with the team selections and how this is making our job so much harder.
Bae was exhausted after 70 mins v wba slumping to the ground at the final whistle. Surely the manager must of known the bae needs a rest and a midweek game on a heavy pitch in poor conditions against a strong team is not the best for a clearly tired bae.
Same with vidigal and manhoef was this the game,weather, pitch for them to excel from the start.
Would of much preferred leris, haks and Thompson starting the game last night, needed more strength and bite in the tackle on a tough night in Swansea.
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 11, 2024 17:59:38 GMT
Overreaction??
Fully justified and understandable reaction in my opinion.
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Post by Veritas on Apr 11, 2024 18:58:46 GMT
Overreaction on here!!
Win means 10's all round and Europe the season after next
Lose means 2's and 3's all round and playing Leek the season after next.
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Post by greenhoff on Apr 11, 2024 19:16:01 GMT
Overreaction on here!! Win means 10's all round and Europe the season after next Lose means 2's and 3's all round and playing Leek the season after next. Typical football fans then!
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Post by blackpoolred on Apr 11, 2024 20:49:13 GMT
The performance was utter shite given the enormity of the game, but given the conditions and how much they gave in the last game and it was 2nd game in a few days you can excuse them being slightly flat, but we created next to nothing going forward, meanwhile at the back the first goal conceded was similar to the Norwich game, where everybody in the team had a different memo to one member of our playing staff - another one marked utterly bizarre defending at this level, as for their 3rd goal, not sure what McNally was doing, but it wasn't defending and then we had Thompson doing an impression of a statue to complete the comedy of shiteness- he can't be let anywhere near defence in the remaining games.
No excuses now, we need players to switch on for every game/minute from 1 to 90 - No gifting teams goals and all players to be 100% drilled/organised and no fecking square pegs unless absolutely needed.
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Post by thisisouryear on Apr 11, 2024 20:58:31 GMT
We didn't lose the right way, they just couldn't be bothered to play in the rain. At minimum the effort should be there and it wasn't, it's hard to defend the team with that performance.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 11, 2024 21:06:38 GMT
The performance was utter shite given the enormity of the game, but given the conditions and how much they gave in the last game and it was 2nd game in a few days you can excuse them being slightly flat, but we created next to nothing going forward, meanwhile at the back the first goal conceded was similar to the Norwich game, where everybody in the team had a different memo to one member of our playing staff - another one marked utterly bizarre defending at this level, as for their 3rd goal, not sure what McNally was doing, but it wasn't defending and then we had Thompson doing an impression of a statue to complete the comedy of shiteness- he can't be let anywhere near defence in the remaining games. No excuses now, we need players to switch on for every game/minute from 1 to 90 - No gifting teams goals and all players to be 100% drilled/organised and no fecking square pegs unless absolutely needed. Easier said than done,when it comes to not gifting teams goals,when most if not all the defenders are very poor at defending. So not able to keep clean sheets,we have to find a way of scoring,or we are down.
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