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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 16, 2024 14:31:37 GMT
Did folk on here actual want Neil? What baffled me was the Sunderland fans getting upset. There were loads on here who felt it was the right call and we’re all excited by the change, definitely. I didn’t think it was and still think we should have kept MON, he’s been the best of the bunch since we came down, by far. Sure the football was shit, but we didn’t look like getting relegated. Same with Rowett, everyone wanted him out, and look what we ended up with? Not saying Rowett was the new Guardiola but as a club we were a basket case at the time, don’t think anyone could have sorted us out that season. We were steady under Rowett and MON, yep. An absolute car crash under Neil. Atrocious manager.
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Post by biddulphchav on Apr 16, 2024 14:34:49 GMT
There were loads on here who felt it was the right call and we’re all excited by the change, definitely. I didn’t think it was and still think we should have kept MON, he’s been the best of the bunch since we came down, by far. Sure the football was shit, but we didn’t look like getting relegated. Same with Rowett, everyone wanted him out, and look what we ended up with? Not saying Rowett was the new Guardiola but as a club we were a basket case at the time, don’t think anyone could have sorted us out that season. We were steady under Rowett and MON, yep. An absolute car crash under Neil. Atrocious manager. Steady isn’t good enough though is it? Not for the majority of our fans. We’ve hounded out two of the better managers we’ve had, and ended up with absolute bellends in between them in Neil and Jones. I’m all for changing things if someone is underperforming, but as a club we’ve needed some stability but have refused to accept it when we’ve had it in front of us. The blame lies with board but as fans we are also partly responsible.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 16, 2024 14:52:26 GMT
Fair enough. So in the same respect they were 100 percent responsible for the 10 years in the PL and reaching the cup final? Yes. Peter coates was the board. He isn't now. I still think we were very lucky that our "process" actually worked. Others have caught up and taken over massively tho, and that's our demise. We didn't really have much of a process, just a manager as head of the entire club, disregarding the youth setup as an external aspect. It all fell down when the managers lost it and recruitment became a massive part of other clubs success (i.e they adopted much more statistically in depth analysis on players and actually coaches worked to develop them). We never did that. And that is also on the owners of the time. That and I don't think John Coates has employed forward thinking/experienced/knowledgeable people in such areas and even if he tries to the entire infrastructure of the club send to remain a 'jobs for the boys' culture. The issue is executives paid to do a job badly choose and failing Scholes and then Martin legacy and Neils will be with us for years.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 16, 2024 15:26:37 GMT
On reflection, Gary Rowett is the true cause of years and years of misery for this club.
He killed stoke city. Well done Gary
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Post by hoppo96 on Apr 16, 2024 18:14:35 GMT
I'd say the Board is about 90% responsible for the mess we're in, Schumacher only gets some of the blame if we're actually relegated imo.
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Post by blackpoolred on Apr 16, 2024 21:54:10 GMT
I like the sound of this, but have we got cheerleaders that could do it on a cold Tuesday night, come to think of it could we find 2 people that want to kiss each other on a cold Tuesday night, might need some WD40 to prize them apart I would also need to take my teeth just in case, wouldn't want to disappoint Bill who sits next to me. Hopefully we’re not advocating bringing back the City Slickers!! The thought of 15,000 blokes watching a bunch of 13 year old girls in leotards is still one that screams “only Stoke”, but then again it was 40 odd years ago. My personal favourite would be to reintroduce the old ball boy entrance routine. They all ran into the centre circle at the start of the game, gave a wave to the crowd and then split off and each ran to their section of the pitch - just like watching the Red Arrows!! The ball boy routine is very British though - don't forget we are now the 51st state - so it would have to be a version of the Dallas(Stoke) Cowboys - which would hopefully be some attractive women and not a dozen fat bearded clay pigeon shooters from Burslem, enough about the women of Burslem. Also 1 hour half-time entertainment attracting the like of Taylor Swift, although if JC is still here it would have to be cheap, hopeless and British - are PJ & Duncan still going
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 17, 2024 1:34:02 GMT
On reflection, Gary Rowett is the true cause of years and years of misery for this club. He killed stoke city. Well done Gary I’m not sure he’s finished yet it would be no surprise if they survive at our expense we just gsvd to hood they win at Huddersfield who go to Ipswich on the last day
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Post by independent on Apr 17, 2024 1:40:32 GMT
I'm not really interested in who got us into this mess, I'm more interested in who is going to get us out of it. Personally, I think that we will stay up and spend the next 3 years midtable if we are lucky.
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Post by greenhoff on Apr 17, 2024 6:25:35 GMT
We were steady under Rowett and MON, yep. An absolute car crash under Neil. Atrocious manager. Steady isn’t good enough though is it? Not for the majority of our fans. We’ve hounded out two of the better managers we’ve had, and ended up with absolute bellends in between them in Neil and Jones. I’m all for changing things if someone is underperforming, but as a club we’ve needed some stability but have refused to accept it when we’ve had it in front of us. The blame lies with board but as fans we are also partly responsible. Rewriting history. Rowett was never the right man for the job and MON after a promising start completely lost his way
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Post by biddulphchav on Apr 17, 2024 6:57:15 GMT
Steady isn’t good enough though is it? Not for the majority of our fans. We’ve hounded out two of the better managers we’ve had, and ended up with absolute bellends in between them in Neil and Jones. I’m all for changing things if someone is underperforming, but as a club we’ve needed some stability but have refused to accept it when we’ve had it in front of us. The blame lies with board but as fans we are also partly responsible. Rewriting history. Rowett was never the right man for the job and MON after a promising start completely lost his way Both had better records than their replacements. They may not have been ‘right’ for the job but they were closer than we’ve gotten since then. Here’s hoping Schumacher is the right man, couldn’t be much worse than Neil (giving it a good shot though 😂)
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