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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 10, 2024 17:19:36 GMT
Was so close to getting tickets to Panathanaikos vs AEK Athens when I was in Athens last year but they put the game back 24 hours, by which time I was back in the gloom of fucking Stoke. Would loved to have seen that.
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Post by greystokie on Apr 10, 2024 17:22:59 GMT
Although Dundee Utd are a division lower,I'd say they are far bigger than Dundee. Dundee Utd are averaging about 7500 per game whereas Dundee are running at about 6500. As you say, Utd are in the lower division atm but should get promoted so their average gate should go up a bit next seasonas,well.
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Post by greystokie on Apr 10, 2024 17:34:23 GMT
Dundee and Dundee United is an interesting one - Dundee historically were the bigger team. Dundee Hibernian (means Ireland) nearly went out of business in the 1920s and changed their name to Dundee United in order to appeal to a larger catchment. They then dotted about the lower leagues until 1960 where Jerry Kerr got them up and established in Division 1. In comparison Dundee were only relegated twice from 1893 to 1975 and were promoted immediately the season after. They won the league in the 60s and then got to the semi finals of the European Cup under one Bill Shankly. United then grew through 70s, won the league in 82 and came close to winning the UEFA cup. Dundee by late 80s were on the slide and got relegated then yoyo'd from there and at the moment United are probably in the same cycle. Both have the same major honours: one league; 2 FA Cups and; 2 league cups. Dundee record attendance is 45k v Rangers in 1953 whereas United's is 28k v Barcelona but could have sold out multiple times over. Would say from a fanbase perspective Dundee are typically more city orientated whereas United are probably more the suburbs and Broughty Ferry as a generalization. Dundee won the league in the '60's under Bob Shankly, who was Bill's brother. I don't think Bill Shankly ever managed a team in Scotland.
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Post by lordb on Apr 10, 2024 17:37:11 GMT
Dundee and Dundee United is an interesting one - Dundee historically were the bigger team. Dundee Hibernian (means Ireland) nearly went out of business in the 1920s and changed their name to Dundee United in order to appeal to a larger catchment. They then dotted about the lower leagues until 1960 where Jerry Kerr got them up and established in Division 1. In comparison Dundee were only relegated twice from 1893 to 1975 and were promoted immediately the season after. They won the league in the 60s and then got to the semi finals of the European Cup under one Bill Shankly. United then grew through 70s, won the league in 82 and came close to winning the UEFA cup. Dundee by late 80s were on the slide and got relegated then yoyo'd from there and at the moment United are probably in the same cycle. Both have the same major honours: one league; 2 FA Cups and; 2 league cups. Dundee record attendance is 45k v Rangers in 1953 whereas United's is 28k v Barcelona but could have sold out multiple times over. Would say from a fanbase perspective Dundee are typically more city orientated whereas United are probably more the suburbs and Broughty Ferry as a generalization. Dundee won the league in the '60's under Bob Shankly, who was Bill's brother. I don't think Bill Shankly ever managed a team in Scotland other than the national side. Don’t think he did manage the national side?
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Post by greystokie on Apr 10, 2024 17:41:39 GMT
Dundee won the league in the '60's under Bob Shankly, who was Bill's brother. I don't think Bill Shankly ever managed a team in Scotland other than the national side. Don’t think he did manage the national side? Yes, you are right.I've just edited it.
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Post by noustie on Apr 10, 2024 17:46:10 GMT
Dundee and Dundee United is an interesting one - Dundee historically were the bigger team. Dundee Hibernian (means Ireland) nearly went out of business in the 1920s and changed their name to Dundee United in order to appeal to a larger catchment. They then dotted about the lower leagues until 1960 where Jerry Kerr got them up and established in Division 1. In comparison Dundee were only relegated twice from 1893 to 1975 and were promoted immediately the season after. They won the league in the 60s and then got to the semi finals of the European Cup under one Bill Shankly. United then grew through 70s, won the league in 82 and came close to winning the UEFA cup. Dundee by late 80s were on the slide and got relegated then yoyo'd from there and at the moment United are probably in the same cycle. Both have the same major honours: one league; 2 FA Cups and; 2 league cups. Dundee record attendance is 45k v Rangers in 1953 whereas United's is 28k v Barcelona but could have sold out multiple times over. Would say from a fanbase perspective Dundee are typically more city orientated whereas United are probably more the suburbs and Broughty Ferry as a generalization. Dundee won the league in the '60's under Bob Shankly, who was Bill's brother. I don't think Bill Shankly ever managed a team in Scotland. You’re right mate - Bob always asked Bill if he could do it on a cold wet night at Dens 😉
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Post by wuzza on Apr 10, 2024 18:23:30 GMT
Ironically in the city of ‘Hibernian’ Hearts are the bigger club. Although this probably depends on the support they draw in from the Lothians. Does'nt Edinburgh have 3 teams? Hibs Hearts Edinburgh City ( Bottom of Scottish League 1) as we speak. I think City are the latest version of what used to be Meadowbank Thistle. You can also add The Spartans in League 2 to the list.
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Post by enuntio on Apr 10, 2024 19:32:59 GMT
How about clubs in a County. Historical Counties... Lots of clubs in Lancashire
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Post by noustie on Apr 12, 2024 6:39:10 GMT
I feel a bit sorry for those without a city neighbour because they must miss out on the bantz.
Earlier in the week Dundee Rangers was called off again due to the state of Dundee’s pitch. There’s arguments both ways about it but Tuesday/ Wednesday the Dundee chairman released a statement blaming climate change.
On Thursday Dundee United 100 yards up the road tweeted:
Top tier shitehousing 👍
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Post by alsagerstokie on Apr 12, 2024 7:05:36 GMT
So Currently especially over the last few years who is bigger.
Citeh or United?
Footballing wise Citeh are obviously streets ahead. They are only getting better?
United are still surly the biggest club though maybe not on brand or on the pitchin but history obviously.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 12, 2024 8:00:15 GMT
So Currently especially over the last few years who is bigger. Citeh or United? Footballing wise Citeh are obviously streets ahead. They are only getting better? United are still surly the biggest club though maybe not on brand or on the pitchin but history obviously. I kind of feel like the question loses any meaning once both teams stop being football clubs in any meaningful sense and become international corporations instead.
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Post by conzdad on Apr 12, 2024 10:29:35 GMT
I know loads of Liverpool fans not from Liverpool too but yeah the Scousers I know, all Liverpool. Weird! Everton used to be the Irish fans team of choice in the 50s and early 60s but Liverpool's success changed that. Obviously worldwide also Did'nt there used to be a team called Home Farm Everton or something like that from Ireland?
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 12, 2024 10:36:11 GMT
Everton used to be the Irish fans team of choice in the 50s and early 60s but Liverpool's success changed that. Obviously worldwide also Did'nt there used to be a team called Home Farm Everton or something like that from Ireland? Home farm were Home Farm Drumcondra and Home Farm Everton amongst others, yep. Terry Conroy played for Home Farm . Good knowledge there 👍 There is/was an Everton club in Cork, not sure if they still exist
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Post by SydenhamStokie on Apr 12, 2024 13:32:22 GMT
One of our neighbours is a Liverpudlian child of what she calls a "mixed marriage" - her father was Protestant, her mother Catholic.
Her dad was happy for the children to be brought up as Catholics but insisted that they supported Liverpool rather than Everton which meant they were just about the only Liverpool supporters in their Catholic school.
Our neighbour was born in the 1950s; I don't know whether there is still the same sectarian/religious divide on Merseyside nowadays.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 12, 2024 13:50:04 GMT
So Currently especially over the last few years who is bigger. Citeh or United? Footballing wise Citeh are obviously streets ahead. They are only getting better? United are still surly the biggest club though maybe not on brand or on the pitchin but history obviously. Citeh are having a moment but ManU are probably the second-biggest club in the world. I wouldn't even put Citeh in the top five in England.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 12, 2024 14:10:17 GMT
One of our neighbours is a Liverpudlian child of what she calls a "mixed marriage" - her father was Protestant, her mother Catholic. Her dad was happy for the children to be brought up as Catholics but insisted that they supported Liverpool rather than Everton which meant they were just about the only Liverpool supporters in their Catholic school. Our neighbour was born in the 1950s; I don't know whether there is still the same sectarian/religious divide on Merseyside nowadays. Celtic always had close ties with Liverpool in more recent years. In the 60s Liverpool was a bit like Derry and Belfast in areas relatives have told me. Was no or little intergrated dating with many families I went out with Micky Quinn's niece, Katy a couple of times when I briefly worked in Liverpool. Many years ago Massive Evertonians and would only date Catholics . Thankfully she looked nothing like him
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Post by datguy on Apr 12, 2024 14:37:32 GMT
So Currently especially over the last few years who is bigger. Citeh or United? Footballing wise Citeh are obviously streets ahead. They are only getting better? United are still surly the biggest club though maybe not on brand or on the pitchin but history obviously. Citeh are having a moment but ManU are probably the second-biggest club in the world. I wouldn't even put Citeh in the top five in England. Man Utd Liverpool And then Man City Am I missing someone painfully obvious as more worthy than Man City to be in the top 3? Man City's moment has lasted about 14 years and still carrying on.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 12, 2024 14:44:06 GMT
Citeh are having a moment but ManU are probably the second-biggest club in the world. I wouldn't even put Citeh in the top five in England. Man Utd Liverpool And then Man City Am I missing someone painfully obvious as more worthy than Man City to be in the top 3? Man City's moment has lasted about 14 years and still carrying on. Arsenal. After them I don't see ManC as any bigger than a lot of other clubs in that second "big" band - Villa, Newcastle, Everton, Spurs etc. Although I reluctantly admit it's changing
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 12, 2024 14:46:43 GMT
One of our neighbours is a Liverpudlian child of what she calls a "mixed marriage" - her father was Protestant, her mother Catholic. Her dad was happy for the children to be brought up as Catholics but insisted that they supported Liverpool rather than Everton which meant they were just about the only Liverpool supporters in their Catholic school. Our neighbour was born in the 1950s; I don't know whether there is still the same sectarian/religious divide on Merseyside nowadays. Celtic always had close ties with Liverpool in more recent years. In the 60s Liverpool was a bit like Derry and Belfast in areas relatives have told me. Was no or little intergrated dating with many families I went out with Micky Quinn's niece, Katy a couple of times when I briefly worked in Liverpool. Many years ago Massive Evertonians and would only date Catholics . Thankfully she looked nothing like him Did she smack the pony?
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 12, 2024 14:47:49 GMT
Dundee and Dundee United is an interesting one - Dundee historically were the bigger team. Dundee Hibernian (means Ireland) nearly went out of business in the 1920s and changed their name to Dundee United in order to appeal to a larger catchment. They then dotted about the lower leagues until 1960 where Jerry Kerr got them up and established in Division 1. In comparison Dundee were only relegated twice from 1893 to 1975 and were promoted immediately the season after. They won the league in the 60s and then got to the semi finals of the European Cup under one Bill Shankly. United then grew through 70s, won the league in 82 and came close to winning the UEFA cup. Dundee by late 80s were on the slide and got relegated then yoyo'd from there and at the moment United are probably in the same cycle. Both have the same major honours: one league; 2 FA Cups and; 2 league cups. Dundee record attendance is 45k v Rangers in 1953 whereas United's is 28k v Barcelona but could have sold out multiple times over. Would say from a fanbase perspective Dundee are typically more city orientated whereas United are probably more the suburbs and Broughty Ferry as a generalization. Dundee won the league in the '60's under Bob Shankly, who was Bill's brother. I don't think Bill Shankly ever managed a team in Scotland. Wow never knew that Good quiz question
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 12, 2024 14:51:55 GMT
Celtic always had close ties with Liverpool in more recent years. In the 60s Liverpool was a bit like Derry and Belfast in areas relatives have told me. Was no or little intergrated dating with many families I went out with Micky Quinn's niece, Katy a couple of times when I briefly worked in Liverpool. Many years ago Massive Evertonians and would only date Catholics . Thankfully she looked nothing like him Did she smack the pony? 😁 I think he'd been in prison not long before She was nice looking but an awful accent and would dress up like she was going to a Las Vegas nightclub to go to Flanagan's pub. She was a stationery rep. Handy if you were out of paper clips and wanted them delivering by someone dressed like an extra from Falcon's Crest
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Post by greystokie on Apr 12, 2024 21:15:10 GMT
Dundee won the league in the '60's under Bob Shankly, who was Bill's brother. I don't think Bill Shankly ever managed a team in Scotland. Wow never knew that Good quiz question You could also make up an interesting quiz question resulting from the fact that Bob Shankly managed Stirling Albion who, at that time, played at Annfield (note the spelling with two n's)
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 12, 2024 21:52:51 GMT
Does'nt Edinburgh have 3 teams? Hibs Hearts Edinburgh City ( Bottom of Scottish League 1) as we speak. I think City are the latest version of what used to be Meadowbank Thistle. You can also add The Spartans in League 2 to the list. Meadowbank Thistle were invited to move to Livingston by the council into a purpose built stadium, and changed their name to Livingston unsurprisingly. So Livingston is a Scottish equivalent of MK Dons. Edinburgh City play in Meadowbank’s old stadium which is probably the most wank football stadium in the UK.
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Post by napperwainwright on Apr 12, 2024 22:19:34 GMT
Duke William Vets from St John’s Square are the biggest club in Burslem. Not sure who the second biggest is. that’s just stupid statement 🤦♂️ ….. obviously The New Inn are far bigger Yeah, but if The Leopard hadn't burnt down they'd be the bestest team in Burslem.
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Post by whatsashig on Apr 12, 2024 23:48:14 GMT
Is there a two town rather than city?
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 13, 2024 0:47:01 GMT
Is there a two town rather than city? Places with 2 league teams, I think there’s only London Manc Brum Pool Brizzle Stoke Notts Sheff All cities.
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Post by stoke1989 on Apr 13, 2024 6:24:10 GMT
Although Dundee Utd are a division lower,I'd say they are far bigger than Dundee. Dundee Utd are averaging about 7500 per game whereas Dundee are running at about 6500. As you say, Utd are in the lower division atm but should get promoted so their average gate should go up a bit next seasonas,well. Louis Moult top scorer up there for them aswell, after a decent spell at the well a few years back, shame about his injuries at PNE, would've been interesting to see what he could've done.
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Post by conzdad on Apr 13, 2024 8:44:42 GMT
😁 I think he'd been in prison not long before She was nice looking but an awful accent and would dress up like she was going to a Las Vegas nightclub to go to Flanagan's pub. She was a stationery rep. Handy if you were out of paper clips and wanted them delivering by someone dressed like an extra from Falcon's Crest Everytime I visit Liverpool I have noticed all the ladies especially the younger ones dress like wannabee WAGS. But everyone is allowed to dress as they wish I guess.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Apr 13, 2024 9:22:20 GMT
How about clubs in a County. Historical Counties... Lots of clubs in Lancashire It hurts me to say, but in order of perceived ‘size’ . . . . Manchester United Liverpool Manchester City Everton Bolton Preston Blackburn Blackpool Burnley Wigan Tranmere Accrington Stockport Fleetwood Morecambe Salford (Have I forgotten any? 🤔)
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Post by Northy on Apr 13, 2024 10:11:21 GMT
Barcelona and Espanyol, obviously 1 is bigger than the other and Espanyol absolutely hate them for poaching theor young players and more.
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