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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Mar 17, 2024 2:51:19 GMT
Only just found out he came on as sub today for Norrich..I was so engrossed in the "excitement" today . Ah well..
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Post by citynickscfc on Mar 17, 2024 3:55:59 GMT
Only just found out he came on as sub today for Norrich..I was so engrossed in the "excitement" today . Ah well.. Somehow better than anything we have. Go figure |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 17, 2024 6:41:47 GMT
Only just found out he came on as sub today for Norrich..I was so engrossed in the "excitement" today . Ah well.. Somehow better than anything we have. Go figure His game is based entirely around an ability to defend the goal. It isn't the modern way |
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Post by theonlooker on Mar 17, 2024 6:47:30 GMT
If it wasn't for FFP he'd probably be still here and absolutely better than anything we've got.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 17, 2024 7:44:13 GMT
If it wasn't for FFP he'd probably be still here and absolutely better than anything we've got. Miles better than Wilmot and Rose! He can even defend!  |
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Post by robstokie on Mar 17, 2024 7:55:48 GMT
Streets ahead of anything we have at the moment. Actually remember thinking when he was released by Sunderland we should go back in for him - no nonsense, a leader and, as others on here have already said, can actually defend unlike the fannies we have here at the moment.
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Post by lordb on Mar 17, 2024 8:08:14 GMT
If it wasn't for FFP he'd probably be still here and absolutely better than anything we've got. Miles better than Wilmot and Rose! He can even defend! And was on more money than both combined |
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Post by Roger Everyone on Mar 17, 2024 8:25:16 GMT
Philipp Wollscheid would look good in our defense 😉
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Post by peterthornesboots on Mar 17, 2024 8:26:50 GMT
Somehow better than anything we have. Go figure His game is based entirely around an ability to defend the goal. It isn't the modern way Having watched our centre backs all season ... ... having a defender who's game is based on defending sounds quite useful. 😅 |
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Post by st3mark on Mar 17, 2024 8:53:44 GMT
Good defender at this level.
But like every other decent player we signed during that time, underperformed for us.
We are like the Bermuda triangle for careers.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 17, 2024 9:01:08 GMT
Miles better than Wilmot and Rose! He can even defend! And was on more money than both combined That was probably the big problem!  |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 17, 2024 9:05:22 GMT
Another reject who has left Stoke and gone on to be playing at a higher level than we currently are.
I haven't kept up with Champions League action this season, but I'll be tuning into Man City v Real Madrid and thoroughly expecting to see Jordan Cousins and Benik Afobe to feature.
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Post by callas12 on Mar 17, 2024 9:07:21 GMT
Good defender at this level. But like every other decent player we signed during that time, underperformed for us. We are like the Bermuda triangle for careers. That last sentence is absolutely bang on, for not only players, but managers & coaching staff alike! |
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Post by thisisouryear on Mar 17, 2024 10:03:01 GMT
He was shite for us. Under pressure he kept heading the ball straight up in the air or to the opposition or both. He would make as many mistakes as our defenders if he was still here
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Post by mamathestriker on Mar 17, 2024 10:17:47 GMT
Could have played with his slippers on yesterday!
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 17, 2024 10:18:52 GMT
His game is based entirely around an ability to defend the goal. It isn't the modern way Having watched our centre backs all season ... ... having a defender who's game is based on defending sounds quite useful. 😅 Yes - that's my point. The very top defenders can do what Danny Baath can do AND are good with the ball at their feet. As a result it appears that defenders are now first and foremost expected to be good with the ball at their feet and if they are any deficiencies in their ability to defend it is either overlooked or downplayed. Danny Baath isn't great with the ball at his feet but he's a bloody good defender and I'd take him over players like Wilmott, Rose and McNally every time. How many times have Wilmott, Rose and McNally tried to do things in danger areas that have led to goals that someone like Baath would not even have tried because, as a good defender, they understood the priorities of good defending? Being able to defend may be old fashioned but for me it is still a good thing. |
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Post by Gods on Mar 17, 2024 10:19:57 GMT
What's Kevin Wimmer up to?
A sometime £20 million pound man who might be available on a free!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2024 10:20:51 GMT
Another awful player for us.
I miss the days we finished bottom half in the Championship with him getting caught on the ball.
What a time to be alive.
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Post by hcstokie on Mar 17, 2024 10:22:43 GMT
What's Kevin Wimmer up to? A sometime £20 million pound man who might be available on a free! Sounds similar to Wesley! |
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Post by anchorman on Mar 17, 2024 10:37:02 GMT
Somehow better than anything we have. Go figure His game is based entirely around an ability to defend the goal. It isn't the modern way And yet he is exactly what we need. |
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Post by anchorman on Mar 17, 2024 10:39:54 GMT
Danny Baath walks into our team all day long. He can defend, jump, head, tackle and can even score the odd goal…everything our current CB’s can not do.
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Post by chamberlain on Mar 17, 2024 11:05:04 GMT
Only just found out he came on as sub today for Norrich..I was so engrossed in the "excitement" today . Ah well.. Somehow better than anything we have. Go figure Much better, a proper defender not a ball playing fanny |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2024 11:08:22 GMT
It makes me smile at some of the shit people reminisce about from our time in the Championship since we’ve come down.
I’m struggling to think of 5 players I’d want back with how they played for us.
Collins and Powell are my two standouts. (Powell in his prime btw, I actually wouldn’t want him back as is).
I don’t even particularly want Souttar back.
I wanted Bidace back but based on his form elsewhere.
And that’s about it.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Mar 17, 2024 11:33:02 GMT
Having watched our centre backs all season ... ... having a defender who's game is based on defending sounds quite useful. 😅 Yes - that's my point. The very top defenders can do what Danny Baath can do AND are good with the ball at their feet. As a result it appears that defenders are now first and foremost expected to be good with the ball at their feet and if they are any deficiencies in their ability to defend it is either overlooked or downplayed. Danny Baath isn't great with the ball at his feet but he's a bloody good defender and I'd take him over players like Wilmott, Rose and McNally every time. How many times have Wilmott, Rose and McNally tried to do things in danger areas that have led to goals that someone like Baath would not even have tried because, as a good defender, they understood the priorities of good defending? Being able to defend may be old fashioned but for me it is still a good thing. I agree entirely. You need to make sure that you are getting the fundamentals the game right first. Quote simply, we do not do the basics well enough (and that is why we are where are!). |
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 17, 2024 11:51:03 GMT
This chat about CBs reminds me of a couple of quotes.
Gordon Banks in his autobiography said the most demanding position is CB. You not only have to be good at what you do, but it is the most demanding role mentally having to watch for any potential threats from the opposition and cover them, something our defenders were dreadful at yesterday, but also watching for any potential mistakes by team mates and covering for them.
The last remark reminds me of Alf Ramsay being asked why did he keep selecting Jack Charlton who was a very good "stopper" and excellent header but useless with a football. Ramsay said "Because he doesn't trust Bobby Moore".
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2024 11:53:35 GMT
This chat about CBs reminds me of a couple of quotes. Gordon Banks in his autobiography said the most demanding position is CB. You not only have to be good at what you do, but it is the most demanding role mentally having to watch for any potential threats from the opposition and cover them, something our defenders were dreadful at yesterday, but also watching for any potential mistakes by team mates and covering for them. The last remark reminds me of Alf Ramsay being asked why did he keep selecting Jack Charlton who was a very good "stopper" and excellent header but useless with a football. Ramsay said "Because he doesn't trust Bobby Moore".Which is great but when Batth actually played for us teams would press everyone bar Batth and he’d then just give it away. He became a liability because of it. |
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Post by rambob on Mar 17, 2024 12:01:16 GMT
Philipp Wollscheid would look good in our defense 😉 I actually liked him, despite his lack of running ability |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 17, 2024 13:58:24 GMT
This chat about CBs reminds me of a couple of quotes. Gordon Banks in his autobiography said the most demanding position is CB. You not only have to be good at what you do, but it is the most demanding role mentally having to watch for any potential threats from the opposition and cover them, something our defenders were dreadful at yesterday, but also watching for any potential mistakes by team mates and covering for them. The last remark reminds me of Alf Ramsay being asked why did he keep selecting Jack Charlton who was a very good "stopper" and excellent header but useless with a football. Ramsay said "Because he doesn't trust Bobby Moore".Like the Ramsay quote. Actually the combination of a very good ball player and a very good stopper is ideal. Our problem is we have three average ball players and no stopper. |
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Post by stokefanone on Mar 17, 2024 14:00:39 GMT
Wish we had him now!
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 17, 2024 14:08:27 GMT
This chat about CBs reminds me of a couple of quotes. Gordon Banks in his autobiography said the most demanding position is CB. You not only have to be good at what you do, but it is the most demanding role mentally having to watch for any potential threats from the opposition and cover them, something our defenders were dreadful at yesterday, but also watching for any potential mistakes by team mates and covering for them. The last remark reminds me of Alf Ramsay being asked why did he keep selecting Jack Charlton who was a very good "stopper" and excellent header but useless with a football. Ramsay said "Because he doesn't trust Bobby Moore".Which is great but when Batth actually played for us teams would press everyone bar Batth and he’d then just give it away. He became a liability because of it. Which was a tactic we could have solved if we had wanted to, i.e., by giving him a target man to aim for or having our two deeper midfielders move around. We just didn’t because solving problems is fairly alien to Stoke. If something isn’t working, we tear everything down and start again. He did fine on the ball under Mowbray at Sunderland. Was a regular in their playoff team. So, it could have been addressed, we just decided not to. |
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