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Post by senojbor on Feb 28, 2024 10:37:13 GMT
Hiring Mark Hughes was not a mistake. Not sacking him after his 4th season was. Pretty much spot on.
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Post by biglad180 on Feb 28, 2024 10:38:08 GMT
i think the Coates family do put a lot of money in the club, they are just not good at making decent appointments,the club needs footballing people to run it,lets be honest they do not like seen us loose like we are now,it must hurt them as much as it does us,,
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Post by flea79 on Feb 28, 2024 10:39:12 GMT
TLDR
(too long didnt read)
man gives potted history of the recent years of club, seems to lay blame at Coates feet, in other news water is wet
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Feb 28, 2024 10:47:20 GMT
It's just telling us stuff we all know anyway. I do wonder what motivates someone to write this sort of thing.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 28, 2024 11:06:39 GMT
It's just telling us stuff we all know anyway. I do wonder what motivates someone to write this sort of thing. Its frustration i think. The club are turning otherwise sane people to despair and madness. The club needs to act before we descend further into the footballing abyss and end up with a mental health crisis across the potteries and beyond. 7 years of this shit and unsurprisingly the fans ain't happy and some feel the need to vent about it. I've joined their ranks 😆
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Post by independent on Feb 28, 2024 11:10:02 GMT
It's just telling us stuff we all know anyway. I do wonder what motivates someone to write this sort of thing. Probably frustration at the inability of the owners and most posters on here to understand what is happening and why it is happening. Since we came down the owners have made one bad decision after another which the experts on here have all applauded. The one decent decision they made (MON) they managed to undo as quickly as possible. The posters on here all said that they should have done it sooner, that was their only complaint. As usual the new Messiah made a mess of things and his supporters here,ignored the obvious, and said : 1. They are not his players and 2. They need time to gel. We now have another manager who is obviously not up to the job, and people are saying that we should persist with him even if we are relegated. The only remaining hope is that Walters asserts himself and in a nice way explains to Schu that things have to change. Even if he does, and we stay up, we are still stuck with a guy who hasn't got a clue. We just have to hope that he can learn on the job.
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Post by J-Roar on Feb 28, 2024 12:57:10 GMT
Yet when "ted" writes a post similar, littered with spelling mistakes and poor grammar, it's lauded as being worthy of the Novel Prize for Literature... I've honestly never read a post by that guy purely due to their meandering, mildly hectoring nature. One paragraph in and I've switched off and started thinking about a squirrel wearing a hat or something. Secret Squirrel wore a hat.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Feb 28, 2024 12:59:05 GMT
Right, I want to preface this post by professing my admiration for the Coates's as people, not owners, PEOPLE. Let's put it this way, we have everything we need to be a successful club. Money, fanbase, a recent decade in the prem, the list goes on. On paper you'd expect us to be top end of Championship/Low Premiership, however on grass we're somewhere closer to the backstreets of Beirut. Absolutely nowhere and getting worse fast. What has caused this? you may ask. Well, buckle aboard the rollercoatser of shambolic decisions. Good organisations have great leaders, average organisations have average leaders and awful organisations have John Coates and the gang. We're ran by clowns, good intentioned ones albeit, but clowns nevertheless. Let's look at it this way, if you know nothing about a subject, it's hard to know whether or not you are being bullshitted. How can someone who knows nothing about football be responsible for appointing senior decision makers at a football club? It's ike Mother Teresa running Divas Delight. The Coates clan just don't have the expertise required to pick the right people. With them it's been one calamity of a decision after another. "Only bad decisions? No, you're being harsh, the Coates's have been great for the club!!" You may think..... Yes, they may well have our best interests at heart, but they made one good decision EVER, and that was appointing Sir Tony Pulis. Pulis, was a manager. Though, he wasn't just the manager, he was the manager, the CEO, the boss, the naked headbutter, the everything. He ran the club from top to bottom. I don't believe there was single thing that was done at the club without the authorisation of Don Pulis. When asked what he wanted his next job title to be, I remember him saying something along lines of 'I don't give a monkeys if i'm the head coach, the dinner lady or the manager, as long as I make the decisions and get full autonomy to do so'. Too right Tony. How much we miss you. Not only did he make the decisions, he led. Under him our players were not just players, they were heroes, professionals, true representatives of our great city. Players would die for the shirt and often give up time for local charities. Walters, Delap, Whelan, Huth, Shawcross, you name 'em - the list goes on! Pulis did not accept anything less than 100% from any member of Stoke City Football Club - and it showed! We were technically the worst team in the Premier league when we went up and yet we survived based on grit, desire, determination and the loudest fans in the country. We were loud because we were given something to cheer about! Anyway, as much as i'd like it to be, this isn't a Pulis apprecation post. "Pulis was good, I'll give you that, but he wasn't the only good decision made by the Coates's. What were all these other bad decisions you speak of?" I hear you scream. Well, let me start with Nan hair, the only one man in football who can burn money quicker than Charlie Sheen in Vegas, the man who gives accountants nightmares and could reduce Martin Lewis to tears just by looking at him. Mark Hughes. And what did the Coates's do with him? Did they limit his spending? Give him a small budget? No, they bankrolled him and gave him a blank check! He signed countless prima donnas on massive contracts that caused our descent into a state of chaotic ruin. Granted, we played some great football under Hughes, some of the best i've ever seen - we weren't called Stokealona for nothing. However, his appointment was the cause of this sorry state that we still find ourselves in now. After Hughes, I thought the club had exceeded its awful decision limit, alas, it had not. John: 'Peter! Hiring Hughes was an awful decision, we've royally fucked our recruitment, how can we top that?' Peter: 'Could just hire a Jacamo model. A random short one. Preferably with ZERO playing experience.' John: 'Say no more.' In struts Cartwright, a man with zero experience in football except a one season stint in goal for the Black Lion. And the club decided to appoint him as head of recruitment - terrific. How did that end? You know the story. You'd think i'd be finished now - but miraculously I'm not. Onto the next bad decision, the legend in his own lunchtime, the self-proclaimed second coming of Christ, the Blaenrhondda Benitez; Nathan Jones. That's right, we appointed the biggest pillock in football to run our club, fitting. I mean, Come on?! How on earth did he get the job? It's not as if he's even convincing, you can tell he's talking shite as soon as his lips start moving. He might as well have Charlatan tattooed on his forehead. Anyway, I don't need to explain how his appointment went. The man did nothing except beat his chest like an angry caveman, concede lots of goals and admire the smell of his own farts. He left us for dead. But, there was light at the end of the tunnel and it came in the form of St Michael [O'Neill]. What a man, he showed character, tactical nouse and kept us up when we looked destined for League One. He managed all this with both hands tied behind his back due to FFP - he worked miracles! But what did the club do? Like, surely, by now we've reached the peak of imbecilic decision making and hindsight would come to save us. Don't make me laugh! The Coates's took it upon themselves to sack him. But no, not just a normal sacking, no, that wouldn't be stupid enough. Sacking him would be a mere 1/10 on the stupidity scale! Why make just a bad decision when you can make an unjustifiably catastrophic one? Go hard or go home. The Coates's took it upon themselves to wait until O Neill had had a full pre season with his squad, before promptly sacking him a few games into the season. If Carlsberg did fuck ups.... What does the future hold for us? Does anyone see any other outcome than relegation? Well, that was 5 minutes of my life wasted.....
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Post by lawrieleslie on Feb 28, 2024 15:45:26 GMT
It's just telling us stuff we all know anyway. I do wonder what motivates someone to write this sort of thing. Probably frustration at the inability of the owners and most posters on here to understand what is happening and why it is happening. Since we came down the owners have made one bad decision after another which the experts on here have all applauded. The one decent decision they made (MON) they managed to undo as quickly as possible. The posters on here all said that they should have done it sooner, that was their only complaint. As usual the new Messiah made a mess of things and his supporters here,ignored the obvious, and said : 1. They are not his players and 2. They need time to gel. We now have another manager who is obviously not up to the job, and people are saying that we should persist with him even if we are relegated. The only remaining hope is that Walters asserts himself and in a nice way explains to Schu that things have to change. Even if he does, and we stay up, we are still stuck with a guy who hasn't got a clue. We just have to hope that he can learn on the job. Does the hierarchy of management at the club put the TD in charge of the Coach. Our management structure being such a mishmash, I’m not so sure. There were rumours that tricky dicky was sacked because, amongst other things, he was overly interfering with team issues. I’m sure Schuey realises things have to change but, with the confidence drained from the team and lack of decent defenders, goalscorers & goalkeeper, that’s a tall order.
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Post by ohbottom on Feb 28, 2024 16:36:31 GMT
I don't think any of us miss Rowett
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 28, 2024 16:46:06 GMT
We're not screwed as a club.
We have to get things right on the pitch as it's the most important thing for a football club to do (obviously) but we have the infrastructure and fanbase to be a successful club again.
Football is cyclical and we're going through a poor period.
I get a bit sick of the melodrama if I'm honest......
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2024 16:49:17 GMT
TLDR for those who don’t want to suffer.
Pulis is a god, lord himself, supreme leader of not only Stoke City but Stoke-on-Trent. He would have kept us up and would have altered his style (even though he never managed it through his career)
Hughes was the devil, Luther incarnate. All that’s happened is his fault.
O'Neil was an oracle, a servant of god himself (see above) should never have been sacked.
The owners apart from the above decisions are clueless.
Also if you like to play ultra defensive and kick the ball long then OP will happily give you a handy behind the Stanley Matthew’s Statue, Thursday 9pm, bring your own towel.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2024 16:51:16 GMT
We're not screwed as a club. We have to get things right on the pitch as it's the most important thing for a football club to do (obviously) but we have the infrastructure and fanbase to be a successful club again. Football is cyclical and we're going through a poor period. I get a bit sick of the melodrama if I'm honest...... I mean we have spent like £150m since relegation and find ourselves in the bottom 3 with little signs of us escaping. Don’t really see that being overly melodramatic and I don’t think the owners for all their faults would agree either.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 28, 2024 17:05:46 GMT
We're not screwed as a club. We have to get things right on the pitch as it's the most important thing for a football club to do (obviously) but we have the infrastructure and fanbase to be a successful club again. Football is cyclical and we're going through a poor period. I get a bit sick of the melodrama if I'm honest...... I mean we have spent like £150m since relegation and find ourselves in the bottom 3 with little signs of us escaping. Don’t really see that being overly melodramatic and I don’t think the owners for all their faults would agree either. I support the club, I turn up on a Saturday hoping/expecting us to win. The owners aren't screwing us over, they're not bleeding us dry and sending the receivers in. They're well intentioned people who happen to be mega rich, and they've made some bad decisions that have bitten them on the arse. We can bitch and moan about it until the cows come home, but ultimately it boils down to either turning up for 90 minutes to support the team, or staying away. The next game could be the start of our renaissance, or their could be worse to come. If enough fans are passionate about forcing change behind the scenes, sending a message to the owners or whatever they choose to they should get together and do that. But as I said previously, we are not screwed as a club. Relegation would be a massive kick in the bollocks, but we can do a Derby and continue to support the team through tough times whilst we get back on our feet, or we can all drift away and do something else on a Saturday and see crowds of 12,000 again. It's up to the individual, but football is about supporting your team through thick and thin isn't it?
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 28, 2024 17:12:27 GMT
Well said Prestwich, we have no divine right for success, yes it's been tough since we dropped into the Championship, for one reason an another, but despite this, my life would be much less the richer without my beloved Stoke City to torture me and play with my emotions...
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 28, 2024 17:21:05 GMT
I mean we have spent like £150m since relegation and find ourselves in the bottom 3 with little signs of us escaping. Don’t really see that being overly melodramatic and I don’t think the owners for all their faults would agree either. I support the club, I turn up on a Saturday hoping/expecting us to win. The owners aren't screwing us over, they're not bleeding us dry and sending the receivers in. They're well intentioned people who happen to be mega rich, and they've made some bad decisions that have bitten them on the arse. We can bitch and moan about it until the cows come home, but ultimately it boils down to either turning up for 90 minutes to support the team, or staying away. The next game could be the start of our renaissance, or their could be worse to come. If enough fans are passionate about forcing change behind the scenes, sending a message to the owners or whatever they choose to they should get together and do that.  But as I said previously, we are not screwed as a club. Relegation would be a massive kick in the bollocks, but we can do a Derby and continue to support the team through tough times whilst we get back on our feet, or we can all drift away and do something else on a Saturday and see crowds of 12,000 again. It's up to the individual, but football is about supporting your team through thick and thin isn't it? You are of course correct. I think the problem is the futility of it all in that they have all the right attributes for us to be a consistently high performing club. Rather than watching clubs with shoe string budgets continually out performing us and turning us over at home. And after 7 years of it I fully understand the frustration. Hence why I reckon JC must cry into his pillow every single night. Imagine being a not only the guy with the money and hands on the levers but also every bit as big a fan of SCFC as the rest of us. That's gotta be really depressing..
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Post by nigelkeyercoker on Feb 28, 2024 17:21:25 GMT
Right, I want to preface this post by professing my admiration for the Coates's as people, not owners, PEOPLE. Let's put it this way, we have everything we need to be a successful club. Money, fanbase, a recent decade in the prem, the list goes on. On paper you'd expect us to be top end of Championship/Low Premiership, however on grass we're somewhere closer to the backstreets of Beirut. Absolutely nowhere and getting worse fast. What has caused this? you may ask. Well, buckle aboard the rollercoatser of shambolic decisions. Good organisations have great leaders, average organisations have average leaders and awful organisations have John Coates and the gang. We're ran by clowns, good intentioned ones albeit, but clowns nevertheless. Let's look at it this way, if you know nothing about a subject, it's hard to know whether or not you are being bullshitted. How can someone who knows nothing about football be responsible for appointing senior decision makers at a football club? It's ike Mother Teresa running Divas Delight. The Coates clan just don't have the expertise required to pick the right people. With them it's been one calamity of a decision after another. "Only bad decisions? No, you're being harsh, the Coates's have been great for the club!!" You may think..... Yes, they may well have our best interests at heart, but they made one good decision EVER, and that was appointing Sir Tony Pulis. Pulis, was a manager. Though, he wasn't just the manager, he was the manager, the CEO, the boss, the naked headbutter, the everything. He ran the club from top to bottom. I don't believe there was single thing that was done at the club without the authorisation of Don Pulis. When asked what he wanted his next job title to be, I remember him saying something along lines of 'I don't give a monkeys if i'm the head coach, the dinner lady or the manager, as long as I make the decisions and get full autonomy to do so'. Too right Tony. How much we miss you. Not only did he make the decisions, he led. Under him our players were not just players, they were heroes, professionals, true representatives of our great city. Players would die for the shirt and often give up time for local charities. Walters, Delap, Whelan, Huth, Shawcross, you name 'em - the list goes on! Pulis did not accept anything less than 100% from any member of Stoke City Football Club - and it showed! We were technically the worst team in the Premier league when we went up and yet we survived based on grit, desire, determination and the loudest fans in the country. We were loud because we were given something to cheer about! Anyway, as much as i'd like it to be, this isn't a Pulis apprecation post. "Pulis was good, I'll give you that, but he wasn't the only good decision made by the Coates's. What were all these other bad decisions you speak of?" I hear you scream. Well, let me start with Nan hair, the only one man in football who can burn money quicker than Charlie Sheen in Vegas, the man who gives accountants nightmares and could reduce Martin Lewis to tears just by looking at him. Mark Hughes. And what did the Coates's do with him? Did they limit his spending? Give him a small budget? No, they bankrolled him and gave him a blank check! He signed countless prima donnas on massive contracts that caused our descent into a state of chaotic ruin. Granted, we played some great football under Hughes, some of the best i've ever seen - we weren't called Stokealona for nothing. However, his appointment was the cause of this sorry state that we still find ourselves in now. After Hughes, I thought the club had exceeded its awful decision limit, alas, it had not. John: 'Peter! Hiring Hughes was an awful decision, we've royally fucked our recruitment, how can we top that?' Peter: 'Could just hire a Jacamo model. A random short one. Preferably with ZERO playing experience.' John: 'Say no more.' In struts Cartwright, a man with zero experience in football except a one season stint in goal for the Black Lion. And the club decided to appoint him as head of recruitment - terrific. How did that end? You know the story. You'd think i'd be finished now - but miraculously I'm not. Onto the next bad decision, the legend in his own lunchtime, the self-proclaimed second coming of Christ, the Blaenrhondda Benitez; Nathan Jones. That's right, we appointed the biggest pillock in football to run our club, fitting. I mean, Come on?! How on earth did he get the job? It's not as if he's even convincing, you can tell he's talking shite as soon as his lips start moving. He might as well have Charlatan tattooed on his forehead. Anyway, I don't need to explain how his appointment went. The man did nothing except beat his chest like an angry caveman, concede lots of goals and admire the smell of his own farts. He left us for dead. But, there was light at the end of the tunnel and it came in the form of St Michael [O'Neill]. What a man, he showed character, tactical nouse and kept us up when we looked destined for League One. He managed all this with both hands tied behind his back due to FFP - he worked miracles! But what did the club do? Like, surely, by now we've reached the peak of imbecilic decision making and hindsight would come to save us. Don't make me laugh! The Coates's took it upon themselves to sack him. But no, not just a normal sacking, no, that wouldn't be stupid enough. Sacking him would be a mere 1/10 on the stupidity scale! Why make just a bad decision when you can make an unjustifiably catastrophic one? Go hard or go home. The Coates's took it upon themselves to wait until O Neill had had a full pre season with his squad, before promptly sacking him a few games into the season. If Carlsberg did fuck ups.... What does the future hold for us? Does anyone see any other outcome than relegation? Pulis was First Team Manager and never CEO, that position was occupied by Tony Scholes, who was also a Main Board Director. Yes, I know that, but while Scholes was there, I don't think much got past Pulis. Pulis definitely called the shots. Look at how bad Schoes was when Pulis left, eventually getting sacked.
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Post by nigelkeyercoker on Feb 28, 2024 17:22:28 GMT
They've made two good decisions in 30 odd years. 1. Appointment of Luigi Macari 2. Appointment and giving free reign and financial support to Anthony Richard Pulis. Every single thing they've done other than the above has been directionless, ill-informed wank. We've got two options with the current ownership: 1. Hope that, by sheer luck, they finally happen on something that works (be it managerial appointment or bringing in outside expert help to run the club efficiently and effectively). 2. Fuck them off and hope that someone or some entity who knows what they're doing takes the club on and halts the decline. Carrying on as we are will see us in the National League within 6 years, I guarantee it. Exactly, spot on.
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Post by nigelkeyercoker on Feb 28, 2024 17:24:41 GMT
Right, I want to preface this post by professing my admiration for the Coates's as people, not owners, PEOPLE. Let's put it this way, we have everything we need to be a successful club. Money, fanbase, a recent decade in the prem, the list goes on. On paper you'd expect us to be top end of Championship/Low Premiership, however on grass we're somewhere closer to the backstreets of Beirut. Absolutely nowhere and getting worse fast. What has caused this? you may ask. Well, buckle aboard the rollercoatser of shambolic decisions. Good organisations have great leaders, average organisations have average leaders and awful organisations have John Coates and the gang. We're ran by clowns, good intentioned ones albeit, but clowns nevertheless. Let's look at it this way, if you know nothing about a subject, it's hard to know whether or not you are being bullshitted. How can someone who knows nothing about football be responsible for appointing senior decision makers at a football club? It's ike Mother Teresa running Divas Delight. The Coates clan just don't have the expertise required to pick the right people. With them it's been one calamity of a decision after another. "Only bad decisions? No, you're being harsh, the Coates's have been great for the club!!" You may think..... Yes, they may well have our best interests at heart, but they made one good decision EVER, and that was appointing Sir Tony Pulis. Pulis, was a manager. Though, he wasn't just the manager, he was the manager, the CEO, the boss, the naked headbutter, the everything. He ran the club from top to bottom. I don't believe there was single thing that was done at the club without the authorisation of Don Pulis. When asked what he wanted his next job title to be, I remember him saying something along lines of 'I don't give a monkeys if i'm the head coach, the dinner lady or the manager, as long as I make the decisions and get full autonomy to do so'. Too right Tony. How much we miss you. Not only did he make the decisions, he led. Under him our players were not just players, they were heroes, professionals, true representatives of our great city. Players would die for the shirt and often give up time for local charities. Walters, Delap, Whelan, Huth, Shawcross, you name 'em - the list goes on! Pulis did not accept anything less than 100% from any member of Stoke City Football Club - and it showed! We were technically the worst team in the Premier league when we went up and yet we survived based on grit, desire, determination and the loudest fans in the country. We were loud because we were given something to cheer about! Anyway, as much as i'd like it to be, this isn't a Pulis apprecation post. "Pulis was good, I'll give you that, but he wasn't the only good decision made by the Coates's. What were all these other bad decisions you speak of?" I hear you scream. Well, let me start with Nan hair, the only one man in football who can burn money quicker than Charlie Sheen in Vegas, the man who gives accountants nightmares and could reduce Martin Lewis to tears just by looking at him. Mark Hughes. And what did the Coates's do with him? Did they limit his spending? Give him a small budget? No, they bankrolled him and gave him a blank check! He signed countless prima donnas on massive contracts that caused our descent into a state of chaotic ruin. Granted, we played some great football under Hughes, some of the best i've ever seen - we weren't called Stokealona for nothing. However, his appointment was the cause of this sorry state that we still find ourselves in now. After Hughes, I thought the club had exceeded its awful decision limit, alas, it had not. John: 'Peter! Hiring Hughes was an awful decision, we've royally fucked our recruitment, how can we top that?' Peter: 'Could just hire a Jacamo model. A random short one. Preferably with ZERO playing experience.' John: 'Say no more.' In struts Cartwright, a man with zero experience in football except a one season stint in goal for the Black Lion. And the club decided to appoint him as head of recruitment - terrific. How did that end? You know the story. You'd think i'd be finished now - but miraculously I'm not. Onto the next bad decision, the legend in his own lunchtime, the self-proclaimed second coming of Christ, the Blaenrhondda Benitez; Nathan Jones. That's right, we appointed the biggest pillock in football to run our club, fitting. I mean, Come on?! How on earth did he get the job? It's not as if he's even convincing, you can tell he's talking shite as soon as his lips start moving. He might as well have Charlatan tattooed on his forehead. Anyway, I don't need to explain how his appointment went. The man did nothing except beat his chest like an angry caveman, concede lots of goals and admire the smell of his own farts. He left us for dead. But, there was light at the end of the tunnel and it came in the form of St Michael [O'Neill]. What a man, he showed character, tactical nouse and kept us up when we looked destined for League One. He managed all this with both hands tied behind his back due to FFP - he worked miracles! But what did the club do? Like, surely, by now we've reached the peak of imbecilic decision making and hindsight would come to save us. Don't make me laugh! The Coates's took it upon themselves to sack him. But no, not just a normal sacking, no, that wouldn't be stupid enough. Sacking him would be a mere 1/10 on the stupidity scale! Why make just a bad decision when you can make an unjustifiably catastrophic one? Go hard or go home. The Coates's took it upon themselves to wait until O Neill had had a full pre season with his squad, before promptly sacking him a few games into the season. If Carlsberg did fuck ups.... What does the future hold for us? Does anyone see any other outcome than relegation? Hughes did a superb job here, and went past his shelf life. It happens to pretty much all managers. He bought some of the best players I've seen in a Stoke shirt. Then lost his way. He'd be remembered more favourably by some, if we'd not fucked up recruiting his replacement. Disagree, it was completely short term. He hired loads of clowns on big contracts and completely ruined the culture.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 28, 2024 17:29:24 GMT
I support the club, I turn up on a Saturday hoping/expecting us to win. The owners aren't screwing us over, they're not bleeding us dry and sending the receivers in. They're well intentioned people who happen to be mega rich, and they've made some bad decisions that have bitten them on the arse. We can bitch and moan about it until the cows come home, but ultimately it boils down to either turning up for 90 minutes to support the team, or staying away. The next game could be the start of our renaissance, or their could be worse to come. If enough fans are passionate about forcing change behind the scenes, sending a message to the owners or whatever they choose to they should get together and do that. But as I said previously, we are not screwed as a club. Relegation would be a massive kick in the bollocks, but we can do a Derby and continue to support the team through tough times whilst we get back on our feet, or we can all drift away and do something else on a Saturday and see crowds of 12,000 again. It's up to the individual, but football is about supporting your team through thick and thin isn't it? You are of course correct. I think the problem is the futility of it all in that they have all the right attributes for us to be a consistently high performing club. Rather than watching clubs with shoe string budgets continually out performing us and turning us over at home. And after 7 years of it I fully understand the frustration. Hence why I reckon JC must cry into his pillow every single night. Imagine being a not only the guy with the money and hands on the levers but also every bit as big a fan of SCFC as the rest of us. That's gotta be really depressing.. Everyone is absolutely right to be frustrated. But all we can do now is try and play our bit over the next 12 games in ensuring we stay in this division so we can kick on......
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Post by nigelkeyercoker on Feb 28, 2024 17:31:48 GMT
I mean we have spent like £150m since relegation and find ourselves in the bottom 3 with little signs of us escaping. Don’t really see that being overly melodramatic and I don’t think the owners for all their faults would agree either. I support the club, I turn up on a Saturday hoping/expecting us to win. The owners aren't screwing us over, they're not bleeding us dry and sending the receivers in. They're well intentioned people who happen to be mega rich, and they've made some bad decisions that have bitten them on the arse. We can bitch and moan about it until the cows come home, but ultimately it boils down to either turning up for 90 minutes to support the team, or staying away. The next game could be the start of our renaissance, or their could be worse to come. If enough fans are passionate about forcing change behind the scenes, sending a message to the owners or whatever they choose to they should get together and do that. But as I said previously, we are not screwed as a club. Relegation would be a massive kick in the bollocks, but we can do a Derby and continue to support the team through tough times whilst we get back on our feet, or we can all drift away and do something else on a Saturday and see crowds of 12,000 again. It's up to the individual, but football is about supporting your team through thick and thin isn't it? So do I, but I'm trying to point out that we have everything needed to be a high champ/low prem club and we're pissing it up the wall. All the clubs who found themselves in our situation like Reading, Derby etc. were suffering financially. We're not, we're just making the most stupid decision possible in every situation. I'll keep going every week and supporting thick and thin but I don't think we're lacking support..... we're lacking brains!
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 28, 2024 17:35:20 GMT
Hughes did a superb job here, and went past his shelf life. It happens to pretty much all managers. He bought some of the best players I've seen in a Stoke shirt. Then lost his way. He'd be remembered more favourably by some, if we'd not fucked up recruiting his replacement. Disagree, it was completely short term. He hired loads of clowns on big contracts and completely ruined the culture.  We did play some good footy for a couple of years though to be fair. But 100% he left a horrific mess behind..
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 28, 2024 17:37:45 GMT
I support the club, I turn up on a Saturday hoping/expecting us to win. The owners aren't screwing us over, they're not bleeding us dry and sending the receivers in. They're well intentioned people who happen to be mega rich, and they've made some bad decisions that have bitten them on the arse. We can bitch and moan about it until the cows come home, but ultimately it boils down to either turning up for 90 minutes to support the team, or staying away. The next game could be the start of our renaissance, or their could be worse to come. If enough fans are passionate about forcing change behind the scenes, sending a message to the owners or whatever they choose to they should get together and do that. But as I said previously, we are not screwed as a club. Relegation would be a massive kick in the bollocks, but we can do a Derby and continue to support the team through tough times whilst we get back on our feet, or we can all drift away and do something else on a Saturday and see crowds of 12,000 again. It's up to the individual, but football is about supporting your team through thick and thin isn't it? So do I, but I'm trying to point out that we have everything needed to be a high champ/low prem club and we're pissing it up the wall. All the clubs who found themselves in our situation like Reading, Derby etc. were suffering financially. We're not, we're just making the most stupid decision possible in every situation. I'll keep going every week and supporting thick and thin but I don't think we're lacking support..... we're lacking brains! The biggest mistake by a mile was employing Rowett and giving him the budget he had. The wrong manager with the wrong remit buying the wrong type of players and it set us back 4/5 seasons. Everything else since then has been to try and stop the rot but against a backdrop of FFP and with our exuberant wage bill it's been tough, they're paying for their original error and some. I don't think it's hindsight to say we should have cashed in on Butland and Allen, brought in a manager with a remit to blood a few youngsters and recruit some young, hungry talent and press the reset button........
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Post by skip on Feb 29, 2024 0:01:10 GMT
"Onto the next bad decision, the legend in his own lunchtime, the self-proclaimed second coming of Christ, the Blaenrhondda Benitez; Nathan Jones."
There's no need for a Pseud's Corner on the Oatcake, but man alive, if we had one I'd be sending that in. Superb.
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Post by skip on Feb 29, 2024 0:01:59 GMT
i think the Coates family do put a lot of money in the club, they are just not good at making decent appointments,the club needs footballing people to run it,lets be honest they do not like seen us loose like we are now,it must hurt them as much as it does us,, I suspect their billions give them a softer landing come five to five on a Saturday teatime.
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Post by skip on Feb 29, 2024 0:03:02 GMT
I don't think it's hindsight to say we should have cashed in on Butland and Allen, brought in a manager with a remit to blood a few youngsters and recruit some young, hungry talent and press the reset button........ Strictly speaking I think that is hindsight, but yes.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 29, 2024 0:06:02 GMT
I don't think it's hindsight to say we should have cashed in on Butland and Allen, brought in a manager with a remit to blood a few youngsters and recruit some young, hungry talent and press the reset button........ Strictly speaking I think that is hindsight, but yes. It's not, many said it at the time, selling Butland and Allen made absolute sense especially as we'd have got top dollar for them at that point......
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Post by vicarious on Feb 29, 2024 4:42:41 GMT
Every time I make a sandwich, my dog will stand right in periphery with a wide eyed look, as if to say ‘What’s this, could it be? He’s knocking up a feast all for me, get the fuck in, this is it!’
I’ll then go to the living room and my dog will skip with joy, tail wagging, spinning in circles, in anticipation of his feast.
He then watches me tuck in, longingly eating every bite wondering when he gets his feast. I get to the end and chuck him a little bit of ham which he snorts down in less than a second. He looks around for more, sniffing the floor and stares at me with a look of ‘Is that it you fucking useless greedy twat?’.
Stoke City is me at sandwich time, and I am my dog’s disappointment.
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Post by nigelkeyercoker on Feb 29, 2024 8:31:40 GMT
So do I, but I'm trying to point out that we have everything needed to be a high champ/low prem club and we're pissing it up the wall. All the clubs who found themselves in our situation like Reading, Derby etc. were suffering financially. We're not, we're just making the most stupid decision possible in every situation. I'll keep going every week and supporting thick and thin but I don't think we're lacking support..... we're lacking brains! The biggest mistake by a mile was employing Rowett and giving him the budget he had. The wrong manager with the wrong remit buying the wrong type of players and it set us back 4/5 seasons. Everything else since then has been to try and stop the rot but against a backdrop of FFP and with our exuberant wage bill it's been tough, they're paying for their original error and some. I don't think it's hindsight to say we should have cashed in on Butland and Allen, brought in a manager with a remit to blood a few youngsters and recruit some young, hungry talent and press the reset button........ For sure, we had one hope of revival and Rowett completely ruined it and set us another 5 years back. In all fairness, I think myself and most people thought he was a good appointment, only to then realise he wasn't the man for the job and he burnt throough money like Mark Hughes but on much worse players.
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Post by bertiestan on Feb 29, 2024 8:48:50 GMT
Every time I make a sandwich, my dog will stand right in periphery with a wide eyed look, as if to say ‘What’s this, could it be? He’s knocking up a feast all for me, get the fuck in, this is it!’ I’ll then go to the living room and my dog will skip with joy, tail wagging, spinning in circles, in anticipation of his feast. He then watches me tuck in, longingly eating every bite wondering when he gets his feast. I get to the end and chuck him a little bit of ham which he snorts down in less than a second. He looks around for more, sniffing the floor and stares at me with a look of ‘Is that it you fucking useless greedy twat?’. Stoke City is me at sandwich time, and I am my dog’s disappointment. My god your about as funny as a burning orphanage
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