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Post by bjarnig on Feb 25, 2024 12:32:44 GMT
I'm reflecting on this season.
I find it hard to believe how any side at this level can have 2 awful keepers.
We talk about defending, attacking, formations, passion etc but without a decent keeper you're asking for big trouble.
Imagine being the manager and you have Iversen and Bonham as your choice to save you.
It's beyond belief.
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 25, 2024 12:38:37 GMT
For a team with the history of excellence we have in this area, it's a very sad state of affairs indeed
* add this to the list of recent diminishment being imposed on our Club
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 25, 2024 13:38:12 GMT
I'm reflecting on this season. I find it hard to believe how any side at this level can have 2 awful keepers. We talk about defending, attacking, formations, passion etc but without a decent keeper you're asking for big trouble. Imagine being the manager and you have Iversen and Bonham as your choice to save you. It's beyond belief. The issue was binning Bonham off when he was doing absolutely fine…..
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Post by Roger Everyone on Feb 25, 2024 13:59:46 GMT
I'm reflecting on this season. I find it hard to believe how any side at this level can have 2 awful keepers. We talk about defending, attacking, formations, passion etc but without a decent keeper you're asking for big trouble. Imagine being the manager and you have Iversen and Bonham as your choice to save you. It's beyond belief. The issue was binning Bonham off when he was doing absolutely fine….. The trouble is Bonham wasn't good enough. Hence the last two managers wanting someone else. The second bit of trouble is his replacement isn't good enough. Bonham is average, probably better than Iverson at the moment. But Bonham does have his share of calamity moments..
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 25, 2024 14:06:22 GMT
The issue was binning Bonham off when he was doing absolutely fine….. The trouble is Bonham wasn't good enough. Hence the last two managers wanting someone else. The second bit of trouble is his replacement isn't good enough. Bonham is average, probably better than Iverson at the moment. But Bonham does have his share of calamity moments.. Whatever the long term prospects of Bonham are, he was doing just fine when he was replaced by Iversen. Name the calamity moments?
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Post by robin1302 on Feb 25, 2024 15:10:51 GMT
The trouble is Bonham wasn't good enough. Hence the last two managers wanting someone else. The second bit of trouble is his replacement isn't good enough. Bonham is average, probably better than Iverson at the moment. But Bonham does have his share of calamity moments.. Whatever the long term prospects of Bonham are, he was doing just fine when he was replaced by Iversen. Name the calamity moments? Stoppage time at home to Swansea in December for one. 1-0 up, and he completely flaps at a cross to give the attacker an open goal to head home. He has to be one of the worst keeper's I've ever seen for commanding his area. West Brom (h) last season we conceded a similar goal.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 25, 2024 15:27:56 GMT
Whatever the long term prospects of Bonham are, he was doing just fine when he was replaced by Iversen. Name the calamity moments? Stoppage time at home to Swansea in December for one. 1-0 up, and he completely flaps at a cross to give the attacker an open goal to head home. He has to be one of the worst keeper's I've ever seen for commanding his area. West Brom (h) last season we conceded a similar goal. Yep Swansea at home, got his footwork wrong and mistimes his jump. That’s pretty much it for “calamities” although there’s been a couple he should have saved (Blackburn’s late goal at our place one that springs to mind). Interesting you mention about commanding his box, when he replaced a keeper Travers who was almost glued to his line……
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Post by wearepremierleague on Feb 25, 2024 15:29:33 GMT
I watched Iversen purely on match of the day and odd games last season and he stood out as shit then. Why can I see it, but actually football people couldn’t?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 25, 2024 15:34:01 GMT
We should have brought Travers back instead.
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 25, 2024 15:37:54 GMT
Iversen is actually worse than Bonham, who I would actually bring back in Saturday.
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Post by karl on Feb 25, 2024 15:43:54 GMT
Can someone explain to me why we couldn't buy Travers in January?
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Post by Roger Everyone on Feb 25, 2024 17:44:26 GMT
The trouble is Bonham wasn't good enough. Hence the last two managers wanting someone else. The second bit of trouble is his replacement isn't good enough. Bonham is average, probably better than Iverson at the moment. But Bonham does have his share of calamity moments.. Whatever the long term prospects of Bonham are, he was doing just fine when he was replaced by Iversen. Name the calamity moments? I don't feel the need to name them. But when anyone approaches our goal do you honestly think it's ok Jack will stop that ?
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Post by jeycov on Feb 25, 2024 17:46:26 GMT
Not Stoke related but what an outstanding performance from Liverpool goalkeeper today
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 25, 2024 19:10:40 GMT
Whatever the long term prospects of Bonham are, he was doing just fine when he was replaced by Iversen. Name the calamity moments? I don't feel the need to name them. But when anyone approaches our goal do you honestly think it's ok Jack will stop that ?
That’s convenient.
I don’t feel particularly worried at all with Bonham in goals. I don’t see Ivesen saving anything….
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Post by Roger Everyone on Feb 25, 2024 20:11:10 GMT
I don't feel the need to name them. But when anyone approaches our goal do you honestly think it's ok Jack will stop that ?
That’s convenient.
I don’t feel particularly worried at all with Bonham in goals. I don’t see Ivesen saving anything…. I think you will find others have saved me from pointing them out, they posted after me 😉 in the thread, or have you conveniently ignored them 😊
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 25, 2024 20:51:18 GMT
That’s convenient.
I don’t feel particularly worried at all with Bonham in goals. I don’t see Ivesen saving anything…. I think you will find others have saved me from pointing them out, they posted after me 😉 in the thread, or have you conveniently ignored them 😊 Most were neither calamities nor catastrophic which were the words being used…….
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Feb 25, 2024 21:05:32 GMT
Jack has been a bit harshly treated by the club and some fans ..Our problems are all over the pitch. I would welcome Jack back..
For that comedy first Cardiff goal alone Iversen and Cundy should be dropped .
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 26, 2024 1:45:55 GMT
Stoppage time at home to Swansea in December for one. 1-0 up, and he completely flaps at a cross to give the attacker an open goal to head home. He has to be one of the worst keeper's I've ever seen for commanding his area. West Brom (h) last season we conceded a similar goal. Yep Swansea at home, got his footwork wrong and mistimes his jump. That’s pretty much it for “calamities” although there’s been a couple he should have saved (Blackburn’s late goal at our place one that springs to mind). Interesting you mention about commanding his box, when he replaced a keeper Travers who was almost glued to his line…… You have a very short memory then. Reading away last season is probably the worst mistake I’ve ever seen from a Stoke keeper, at least on par with Muggo’s if not worse. Burnley at home he gave the ball away needlessly in the build up to their goal. There’s been 10s of goals he should’ve done better with. Until yesterday I struggle to think of a goal that I could actually blame Iversen for?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 26, 2024 6:03:23 GMT
Yep Swansea at home, got his footwork wrong and mistimes his jump. That’s pretty much it for “calamities” although there’s been a couple he should have saved (Blackburn’s late goal at our place one that springs to mind). Interesting you mention about commanding his box, when he replaced a keeper Travers who was almost glued to his line…… You have a very short memory then. Reading away last season is probably the worst mistake I’ve ever seen from a Stoke keeper, at least on par with Muggo’s if not worse. Burnley at home he gave the ball away needlessly in the build up to their goal. There’s been 10s of goals he should’ve done better with. Until yesterday I struggle to think of a goal that I could actually blame Iversen for? He’s played 52 league games and conceded 62 league goals, 10’s of goals is just a load of exaggerated nonsense……
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Post by peepin on Feb 26, 2024 6:10:40 GMT
Stoppage time at home to Swansea in December for one. 1-0 up, and he completely flaps at a cross to give the attacker an open goal to head home. He has to be one of the worst keeper's I've ever seen for commanding his area. West Brom (h) last season we conceded a similar goal. Yep Swansea at home, got his footwork wrong and mistimes his jump. That’s pretty much it for “calamities” although there’s been a couple he should have saved (Blackburn’s late goal at our place one that springs to mind). Interesting you mention about commanding his box, when he replaced a keeper Travers who was almost glued to his line…… And as bad as Travers was at least he wasn’t as static as Bursik……it was just as if he had to have one hand on the post when a ball came into the box.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 26, 2024 8:23:37 GMT
You have a very short memory then. Reading away last season is probably the worst mistake I’ve ever seen from a Stoke keeper, at least on par with Muggo’s if not worse. Burnley at home he gave the ball away needlessly in the build up to their goal. There’s been 10s of goals he should’ve done better with. Until yesterday I struggle to think of a goal that I could actually blame Iversen for? He’s played 52 league games and conceded 62 league goals, 10’s of goals is just a load of exaggerated nonsense…… The vast majority of those soft and a better keep saves. Tachyon put the stats up once, him and Bursik were in the bottom 6 keepers for the league out of about 30 odd. He’s shit.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 26, 2024 8:25:43 GMT
He’s played 52 league games and conceded 62 league goals, 10’s of goals is just a load of exaggerated nonsense…… The vast majority of those soft and a better keep saves. Tachyon put the stats up once, him and Bursik were in the bottom 6 keepers for the league out of about 30 odd. He’s shit. The “vast majority” of goals he’s conceded have been soft? Honestly it’s just utter bollocks……
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Post by femark on Feb 26, 2024 8:32:59 GMT
Iversen was excellent at PNE so why is he suddenly shit for us?
Rinse and repeat for several other players...
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 26, 2024 8:39:29 GMT
Iversen was excellent at PNE so why is he suddenly shit for us? Rinse and repeat for several other players... He was underwhelming for Leicester last season, he pretty much went from 1st to 3rd or even 4th choice…..
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Post by pottersrule on Feb 26, 2024 9:18:13 GMT
The issue was binning Bonham off when he was doing absolutely fine….. The trouble is Bonham wasn't good enough. Hence the last two managers wanting someone else. The second bit of trouble is his replacement isn't good enough. Bonham is average, probably better than Iverson at the moment. But Bonham does have his share of calamity moments.. Your as good as your last game.The manager stated before the Leicester game that this was his chance to stake a claim.Despite losing 5 nil,none of the goals were Bonhams fault and he made 2 superb saves that saved us further humiliation.If you’re going to make these statements then stick to them. Iverson has been worse than Bonham in all areas imo.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 26, 2024 9:27:12 GMT
The vast majority of those soft and a better keep saves. Tachyon put the stats up once, him and Bursik were in the bottom 6 keepers for the league out of about 30 odd. He’s shit. The “vast majority” of goals he’s conceded have been soft? Honestly it’s just utter bollocks…… The stats don't lie, he let's more in than his expected xGa and is constantly in the lower echelons of the keepers in this league.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 26, 2024 9:31:53 GMT
The trouble is Bonham wasn't good enough. Hence the last two managers wanting someone else. The second bit of trouble is his replacement isn't good enough. Bonham is average, probably better than Iverson at the moment. But Bonham does have his share of calamity moments.. Your as good as your last game.The manager stated before the Leicester game that this was his chance to stake a claim.Despite losing 5 nil,none of the goals were Bonhams fault and he made 2 superb saves that saved us further humiliation.If you’re going to make these statements then stick to them. Iverson has been worse than Bonham in all areas imo. He's been far superior to Bonham when it comes to crosses. Bonham frightens the life out of me every time a high ball is put in the box, he threw away 3 points at home to Swansea.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 26, 2024 9:48:31 GMT
Your as good as your last game.The manager stated before the Leicester game that this was his chance to stake a claim.Despite losing 5 nil,none of the goals were Bonhams fault and he made 2 superb saves that saved us further humiliation.If you’re going to make these statements then stick to them. Iverson has been worse than Bonham in all areas imo. He's been far superior to Bonham when it comes to crosses. Bonham frightens the life out of me every time a high ball is put in the box, he threw away 3 points at home to Swansea. He threw away 2 to be precise......
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 26, 2024 10:15:41 GMT
Any keeper at this level will make mistakes. You can watch any championship game and question goalkeepers for a high percentage of all goals conceded.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 26, 2024 10:26:10 GMT
The “vast majority” of goals he’s conceded have been soft? Honestly it’s just utter bollocks…… The stats don't lie, he let's more in than his expected xGa and is constantly in the lower echelons of the keepers in this league. 2023/24 season to date.................. PSxG (Post-shot expected goals)Bonham 20.5 / 0.3 (25th from 46) Travers 17.2 / 0.26 (29th from 46) Iversen 7.1 / 0.36 (38th from 46) PSxG +/- (Post-shot expected goals +/-)
Bonham +2.5 / +0.18 per 90 mins (4th from 46) Travers -0.8 / -0.06 per 90 mins (26th from 46) Iversen -2.9 / -0.48 per 90 mins (37th from 46) Crosses (successful claims)Iversen 8/65 crosses 12.3% (3rd from 46) Travers 13/174 crosses 7.5% (6th from 46) Bonham 16/239 crosses 6.7% (9th from 46) Passes (successful)Travers 91/260 passes 35% (10th from 46) Bonham 77/241 passes 32% (15th from 46) Iversen 19/65 passes 29.2% (25th from 46)
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