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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 25, 2024 14:09:40 GMT
If folk think bringing back Jack Bonham is seriously going to change our fortunes then in my opinion they’re deluded
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Feb 25, 2024 14:14:20 GMT
Correct. And that is where the “monumental errors” list doth end……. Without a doubt he should be starting ahead of Iversen. Bonham not a No.1 'keeper over a full Championship season, but our recruitment failed to find a replacement, despite having plenty of time following Travers' departure.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 25, 2024 14:44:39 GMT
If folk think bringing back Jack Bonham is seriously going to change our fortunes then in my opinion they’re deluded It wouldn't. But neither would signing Donarumna as long as he had the current shitshow playing out in front of him. The goalkeeper, be it Bonham or Iversen, is not really the problem.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 25, 2024 14:57:52 GMT
If folk think bringing back Jack Bonham is seriously going to change our fortunes then in my opinion they’re deluded It wouldn't. But neither would signing Donarumna as long as he had the current shitshow playing out in front of him. The goalkeeper, be it Bonham or Iversen, is not really the problem. Correct
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 25, 2024 16:28:24 GMT
If folk think bringing back Jack Bonham is seriously going to change our fortunes then in my opinion they’re deluded It wouldn't. But neither would signing Donarumna as long as he had the current shitshow playing out in front of him. The goalkeeper, be it Bonham or Iversen, is not really the problem. It would be nice for Iversen to save the odd one though……
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Post by thepottypotter on Feb 25, 2024 16:46:51 GMT
If folk think bringing back Jack Bonham is seriously going to change our fortunes then in my opinion they’re deluded It wouldn't. But neither would signing Donarumna as long as he had the current shitshow playing out in front of him. The goalkeeper, be it Bonham or Iversen, is not really the problem. Rubbish. Putting us 2-0 down at Cardiff after 32 mins without making basic saves, it completely changes the game and it is massive. Even 1-0 down and we get a point from that game. There's the cliché that a good keeper is worth 10 points a season. I have seen many games this season where a decent keeper would have earned us points. Travers was worth his weight in gold and him being recalled was a disaster. Iversen is one of many large problems we have as a club. Bonham is L1 standard and better than him. Bonham deserves to start.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 25, 2024 16:59:04 GMT
Rather bring back TP!
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 25, 2024 17:08:09 GMT
Besides the QPR game I don’t recall Iversen making a single save. He’s fucking wank. He’s one of the worst keepers I’ve seen at professional level and I’m not exaggerating. He can’t save a damn thing. First goal was bad enough but the second was pathetic. Any shot on target and you fear it’s a goal. Another wonderful decision from the manager. He’s about as effective as Bursik. Any, and almost every, attempt on target is a goal.
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 25, 2024 17:09:42 GMT
Bring back Jagielka while we are at it? 40+ , but still would ahead of Iversen.
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 25, 2024 17:11:46 GMT
If folk think bringing back Jack Bonham is seriously going to change our fortunes then in my opinion they’re deluded It wouldn't. But neither would signing Donarumna as long as he had the current shitshow playing out in front of him. The goalkeeper, be it Bonham or Iversen, is not really the problem. You don’t think a decent keeper would have kept out at least one of those yesterday?
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Feb 25, 2024 17:20:32 GMT
Not an ideal choice for goalkeeper though Unless TP is Tony Parkes?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 25, 2024 17:24:57 GMT
It wouldn't. But neither would signing Donarumna as long as he had the current shitshow playing out in front of him. The goalkeeper, be it Bonham or Iversen, is not really the problem. You don’t think a decent keeper would have kept out at least one of those yesterday? Quite possibly. But that wasn't the proposition. I fully appreciate the love for Bonham. Long overdue imho and I'm more than happy to see him play. However I maintain that shambles elswhere both on and off the pitch will not be negated by changing the 'keeper.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Feb 25, 2024 17:27:29 GMT
I can't agree he was absolutely fine. He was generally competent at best but made some monumental errors and bred no confidence. We seem not be arguing now over which of the two is less shit. Name the monumental errors please……. Are you suggesting there haven't been any? The second goal at home to Blackburn stands out in my mind. Flapping like a newborn baby to gift them the second. Last season letting Da Silva's cross fly by him for Bristol City. The farce away at Reading. Running off his line in another home game (opposition I can't remember) and luckily they lofted it over him but wide. If you are trying to prove my memories for specifics is poor, you win. If you are claiming Bonham hasn't made lots of poor errors (some punished and other not) I wholeheartedly disagree with you.
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 25, 2024 17:30:05 GMT
Bonham isn’t very good.
He is better than Iversen.
I believe we would have got at least one point yesterday, if Bonham had been selected.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 25, 2024 17:34:40 GMT
It wouldn't. But neither would signing Donarumna as long as he had the current shitshow playing out in front of him. The goalkeeper, be it Bonham or Iversen, is not really the problem. Rubbish. Putting us 2-0 down at Cardiff after 32 mins without making basic saves, it completely changes the game and it is massive. Even 1-0 down and we get a point from that game. There's the cliché that a good keeper is worth 10 points a season. I have seen many games this season where a decent keeper would have earned us points. Travers was worth his weight in gold and him being recalled was a disaster. Iversen is one of many large problems we have as a club. Bonham is L1 standard and better than him. Bonham deserves to start. But we don't win when Bonham plays under SS though do we? I'm fine with him playing ahead of Iversen - I've always thought he was better than his critics would have you believe. However the poster I replied to was of the view that switching the keepers will not seriously change our fortunes. It won't - because there are far to many other issues in play likely to maintain our depressing trajectory beyond anything Jack Bonham can effect.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 25, 2024 18:01:24 GMT
Butland?
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Post by maninasuitcase on Feb 25, 2024 18:51:39 GMT
If folk think bringing back Jack Bonham is seriously going to change our fortunes then in my opinion they’re deluded Dunno often disagree with you mate, but bonham would probably have made more of an attempt to save some shots. Iversen doesnt look like he couldnt catch a fucking cold.
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Post by bloodtypered on Feb 25, 2024 18:53:50 GMT
Ffs schuey, wake up and smell the coffee. Iversen has been a fucking disaster. Along with cundle the pair of them shouldn't be anywhere near Stoke-on-Trent. Iveson was wanted before SS
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 25, 2024 18:56:45 GMT
If folk think bringing back Jack Bonham is seriously going to change our fortunes then in my opinion they’re deluded Dunno often disagree with you mate, but bonham would probably have made more of an attempt to save some shots. Iversen doesnt look like he couldnt catch a fucking cold. Maybe the 2nd goal yesterday(which the manager mentioned as well) he could have done better with but I just don’t see how a bloke that gets slaughtered on here most weeks would improve us mate.I just think it’s just another sign of the general malaise in most parts of the team
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 25, 2024 19:08:56 GMT
Name the monumental errors please……. Are you suggesting there haven't been any? The second goal at home to Blackburn stands out in my mind. Flapping like a newborn baby to gift them the second. Last season letting Da Silva's cross fly by him for Bristol City. The farce away at Reading. Running off his line in another home game (opposition I can't remember) and luckily they lofted it over him but wide. If you are trying to prove my memories for specifics is poor, you win. If you are claiming Bonham hasn't made lots of poor errors (some punished and other not) I wholeheartedly disagree with you. He’s also made some excellent saves and kept us in certain games, even against Leicester when we shipped 5 he made a couple. I can’t recall Ivesen making a save, it’s like having a wardrobe between the sticks…..
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Post by fplstokegeneral on Feb 25, 2024 19:21:52 GMT
Shock horror… not! Bonham was playing well, stepped up and then got dropped for someone who didn’t deserve to take his place. Squad disharmony increased, faith in squad selection decreased. Pretty basic management error imo. Iverson needed to earn his place which he did not - that’s poor management by SS. And also the comments on here for Bonham to be dropped as soon as Iversen came in, embarrassing and the same as the Bursik V Bonham debate
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Post by nott1 on Feb 25, 2024 19:26:33 GMT
Shock horror… not! Bonham was playing well, stepped up and then got dropped for someone who didn’t deserve to take his place. Squad disharmony increased, faith in squad selection decreased. Pretty basic management error imo. Iverson needed to earn his place which he did not - that’s poor management by SS. And also the comments on here for Bonham to be dropped as soon as Iversen came in, embarrassing and the same as the Bursik V Bonham debate The manager and most of the team are not up to the task!
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Post by jeycov on Feb 25, 2024 19:33:45 GMT
Shock horror… not! Bonham was playing well, stepped up and then got dropped for someone who didn’t deserve to take his place. Squad disharmony increased, faith in squad selection decreased. Pretty basic management error imo. Iverson needed to earn his place which he did not - that’s poor management by SS. And also the comments on here for Bonham to be dropped as soon as Iversen came in, embarrassing and the same as the Bursik V Bonham debate Iverson may have to play when available as part of his loan contract
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Post by senojbor on Feb 25, 2024 19:48:15 GMT
We keep bringing in players we don't need and no better than what we have.
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 25, 2024 19:51:35 GMT
? Unfortunately not
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Feb 25, 2024 20:55:09 GMT
Criticised Iversen after a few games but got shot down by the experts on here ...
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Feb 25, 2024 21:01:32 GMT
Are you suggesting there haven't been any? The second goal at home to Blackburn stands out in my mind. Flapping like a newborn baby to gift them the second. Last season letting Da Silva's cross fly by him for Bristol City. The farce away at Reading. Running off his line in another home game (opposition I can't remember) and luckily they lofted it over him but wide. If you are trying to prove my memories for specifics is poor, you win. If you are claiming Bonham hasn't made lots of poor errors (some punished and other not) I wholeheartedly disagree with you. He’s also made some excellent saves and kept us in certain games, even against Leicester when we shipped 5 he made a couple. I can’t recall Ivesen making a save, it’s like having a wardrobe between the sticks….. He has made some good saves. I'd hope all keepers make some. I'm not arguing about Iversen. They're both inadequate for a Championship team who have any aspirations at all.
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 25, 2024 21:05:17 GMT
Club renowned for great keepers suddenly employs other clubs 3rd choices
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 25, 2024 21:07:45 GMT
He’s also made some excellent saves and kept us in certain games, even against Leicester when we shipped 5 he made a couple. I can’t recall Ivesen making a save, it’s like having a wardrobe between the sticks….. He has made some good saves. I'd hope all keepers make some. I'm not arguing about Iversen. They're both inadequate for a Championship team who have any aspirations at all. The thread is called “bring back Jack”. I’ve said clearly I think Bonham is a middle of the road Championship keeper I’m not trying to paint him as anything else. But he was dropped when in decent form, and did a lot better than Iversen who quite frankly has been a huge letdown. An upgrade is meant to do things that their predecessor couldn’t, he’s barely put glove on ball……
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Post by metalhead on Feb 25, 2024 21:10:30 GMT
I'm not a fan of Bonham, but he's no worse than Iversen. He's probably a little better, at least from what I've seen.
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