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Post by idle on Feb 25, 2024 7:43:55 GMT
Pretty much any shot on our goal finishes up in the back of our net. I'm not convinced football can even be Iversen's main sport. I said when we signed him that he should not go straight in and instead he should fight for the place with Jack and I was told by an Admin on here to 'suck it up' for my trouble  He’s been crap, but he was an excellent goalkeeper at Preston just two seasons ago. Again, why is this happening when proven, quality players at this level sign for us? It's almost as if signing "proven <position>" doesn't work as players abilities change over time. Some have one good season, some have a few, some have many. Players gets better or worse because of many factors: system, teammates, manager, personal events, etc. We never learn, and only sign people based on the feeling that "he's done well before, must be good". Until Jared, who failed to include mental characteristics in his stats model. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2024 8:45:35 GMT
Not signing Sarkic on a permanent contract coupled losing Travers, are the two worst things that have happened in the last 12 months. Combined, a good chance these disasters will be enough to relegate us. I can’t believe I am typing this as I don’t rate Bonham, but Bonham should start over Iversen now. Not saving their second was shocking. Recruitment has been the death of this club For some reason we kept buying and loaning icing before we’d got a cake to put it on ! |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 25, 2024 9:21:48 GMT
i said during the Jan window IF there was a break clause send him back and free up a loan spot for a CB/LB/CF.
Trouble is we'd be no worse off in goal but would waste the loan on some more Plymouth midfield deadwood.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Feb 25, 2024 9:24:52 GMT
Was not at all impressed with Iversen yesterday & what you can call a defence wasnt either as per Thompson berating him after the 2nd goal
Cundle is another thread in itself but he might have been great at Plymouth playing the Plymouth way, but this isn't Plymouth & he looks completely lost
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Post by cyprus1stokey on Feb 25, 2024 9:36:05 GMT
That's why he was fourth or fifth in line at Leicester.
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Post by premieraj on Feb 25, 2024 9:44:28 GMT
Bring back Jagielka while we are at it?
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 25, 2024 9:54:06 GMT
Completely agree. For all Jack's faults he is a hell of alot more competent than Iversen.
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Post by StokieSideAss on Feb 25, 2024 11:02:36 GMT
Looking at it from a positive side..... If Leicester had lowered there asking price in the summer we could have spunked £3 mil on him and been stuck with him for 4 years, at least we get to give him back in the summer and try to sign Johansson
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Post by stokiemarc on Feb 25, 2024 11:19:29 GMT
Bonham v Iverson Bonham played 11 conceded 12 Iverson played 8 conceded 15 And one of those 11 Bonham conceded 5 goals which makes that stat even more crazy. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 25, 2024 11:23:54 GMT
Why would Jack want to play in Div 1?
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Post by pretzel on Feb 25, 2024 11:40:50 GMT
Just watched the highlights because I missed both Cardiff's goals due to stream errors. Omg, what a spanner we now have in goal. Absolutely criminal that Bonham has been dropped for this clown As stated above, thank God we didn't spunk the money Leicester wanted for him in the window but knowing tricky Dicky, we've probably agreed to some kind of deal where he has to play if fit and we are obliged to sign him in the summer. What a joke our club has become  |
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 25, 2024 11:54:15 GMT
Iverson has made us worse. Bonham is a far better 'keeper and he now needs to start as No 1 to give us a chance to stay up.
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Post by wonderwall on Feb 25, 2024 12:00:52 GMT
Ffs schuey, wake up and smell the coffee. Iversen has been a fucking disaster. Along with cundle the pair of them shouldn't be anywhere near Stoke-on-Trent. Iversen clearly not SS choice. Tricky been jizzing over him with AN for 18months. This is on tricky |
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Post by Block 26 on Feb 25, 2024 12:00:59 GMT
I agree. I went to Boro away which was Jack’s first game in goal after Bournemouth shafted us with Travers. Every time he touched the ball the fans cheered & sung his name.
He didn’t have a lot to do in that specific game but he made some good saves in the games that followed & looked a lot better than what we’re currently seeing with Iversen.
I just don’t understand why every player we sign turns to shite once they put a Stoke shirt on.
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Post by Scouse on Feb 25, 2024 12:03:45 GMT
the Iversen signing wasn’t an upgrade to a situation that should have been solved in the summer with a permanent signing and upgrade to Bonham , Bonham remaining as an adequate replacement for injury or suspension, but we didn’t need to bolster that area come January ..if disaster struck we could apply for an emergency loan later
Importantly having once again allowed a new manager two signings pushing aside long term club targets it was a waste of a vital loan , a loan that was needed in a whole host of other positions , including left back or centre back
whilst a manager should have a final veto on signings in case of previous run-ins etc your transfer policy should either be one of club signings ( often taking 18 months or more to get over the line including building up relationships with agents) ..or the manager controls everything from his little black book of favourites.. you shouldn’t mix the two systems ..sadly we do and is one of the reasons why we continually fail to build a squad , never mind a team .. as one department is always robbing places and funding from the other
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 25, 2024 12:05:41 GMT
The Bonham tide has turned a bit .
Was fairly decent, the odd error of course which some never let us forget but overall wasn't too bad.
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Post by jokker on Feb 25, 2024 12:14:12 GMT
Blaming Iversen is very harsh. He was left exposed by his defenders and didn't have that bit extra that keepers often do. If you're looking for someone to blame, then point it at Junior.
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Post by jokker on Feb 25, 2024 12:16:39 GMT
Those who are calling for Bonham should go back to their own posts about him before Christmas. There was no end to what was wrong with him. But he too played behind a virtually non-existing defence.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 25, 2024 13:02:18 GMT
I don't think there is much to choose between the 2 GKs. Neither is good enough for a promotion side.
I do think Jack has not been treated fairly by the managers or this MB. OK He looks ungainly but does that matter?There are games when Jack has saved us a point. He is a good shot stopper. His weakness is crosses, like John Farmer had a problem with them.
But Jack is more "positive" than Iverson, who seems hesitant. Maybe it's just that Iverson is short of match practice. I think it is essential to keep playing every week under pressure to keep match sharp.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 25, 2024 13:14:20 GMT
Iversen looks like a goalkeeper with little confidence playing behind a defence who is constantly changing. It’s a recipe for disaster. I think that Iversen could well produce better performances than Bonham. However, he simply isn’t. So, he shouldn’t be in the team.
It shouldn’t be that hard to replace Bonham given the money Stoke have spent to do it. However, they can’t ever seem to do it convincingly.
I didn’t want Sarkic because of his injury record (he’s also 3 months this season). However, he does look like the only one we’ve tried who was better.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 25, 2024 13:16:15 GMT
I don't think there is much to choose between the 2 GKs. Neither is good enough for a promotion side. I do think Jack has not been treated fairly by the managers or this MB. OK He looks ungainly but does that matter?There are games when Jack has saved us a point. He is a good shot stopper. His weakness is crosses, like John Farmer had a problem with them. But Jack is more "positive" than Iverson, who seems hesitant. Maybe it's just that Iverson is short of match practice. I think it is essential to keep playing every week under pressure to keep match sharp. Who cares about building for a “promotion side”. This is part of the problem in my view. We rip everything up and start again with the idea that the team should be capable of going up. We should always aim to go up but those in charge should simply be looking to build a team capable of finishing in the top half first. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 25, 2024 13:16:39 GMT
Ffs schuey, wake up and smell the coffee. Iversen has been a fucking disaster. Along with cundle the pair of them shouldn't be anywhere near Stoke-on-Trent. Think he's happy at Rangers to be fair 😆 |
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 25, 2024 13:18:15 GMT
Ffs schuey, wake up and smell the coffee. Iversen has been a fucking disaster. Along with cundle the pair of them shouldn't be anywhere near Stoke-on-Trent. Iversen clearly not SS choice. Tricky been jizzing over him with AN for 18months. This is on tricky It’s SS who plays him…. |
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Post by kidcrewbob on Feb 25, 2024 13:18:21 GMT
Butland maybe......
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 25, 2024 13:35:02 GMT
The hyperbole around Bonham was absolutely embarrassing.
He was doing absolutely fine until he was dropped, and the Iversen cash would have been better spent on a left back.
He’s far better than most give him credit for, a middle of the road Championship keeper in a relegation threatened Championship team.
Reminds me of the same bollocks I used to read about Wollscheid, an allegedly league two defender yet when he played we had the record of a top 8 team……
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 25, 2024 13:40:37 GMT
Those who are calling for Bonham should go back to their own posts about him before Christmas. There was no end to what was wrong with him. But he too played behind a virtually non-existing defence. Most were asking for a solid keeper to come in as number one and keeping Jack as number two which would have been fine. We bought in Iversen who has been worse than what we already had. It doesn't mean we should be happy having Bonham as number one but until the end of the season he is the best we have. |
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Feb 25, 2024 13:41:18 GMT
The hyperbole around Bonham was absolutely embarrassing. He was doing absolutely fine until he was dropped, and the Iversen cash would have been better spent on a left back. He’s far better than most give him credit for, a middle of the road Championship keeper in a relegation threatened Championship team. Reminds me of the same bollocks I used to read about Wollscheid, an allegedly league two defender yet when he played we had the record of a top 8 team…… I can't agree he was absolutely fine. He was generally competent at best but made some monumental errors and bred no confidence. We seem not be arguing now over which of the two is less shit. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 25, 2024 13:54:05 GMT
The hyperbole around Bonham was absolutely embarrassing. He was doing absolutely fine until he was dropped, and the Iversen cash would have been better spent on a left back. He’s far better than most give him credit for, a middle of the road Championship keeper in a relegation threatened Championship team. Reminds me of the same bollocks I used to read about Wollscheid, an allegedly league two defender yet when he played we had the record of a top 8 team…… I can't agree he was absolutely fine. He was generally competent at best but made some monumental errors and bred no confidence. We seem not be arguing now over which of the two is less shit. Name the monumental errors please……. |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Feb 25, 2024 14:06:09 GMT
I can't agree he was absolutely fine. He was generally competent at best but made some monumental errors and bred no confidence. We seem not be arguing now over which of the two is less shit. Name the monumental errors please……. Swansea? |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 25, 2024 14:07:39 GMT
Name the monumental errors please……. Swansea? Correct. And that is where the “monumental errors” list doth end……. |
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