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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 25, 2024 14:58:43 GMT
As well as chucking out nasty insults, our mate Attila is also has an expert legal mind, how lax of you... So him and Oggy are cut from the same cloth? Like HartshillBadger and Basfordhedgehog but less intelligent and engaging. Thanks, but in this case, you don’t need to be an expert legal mind to have read the court’s judgment (or a summary of it) to know she isn’t allowed back here. I am certainly less engaging than Badger…i’ll leave it at that.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 25, 2024 15:59:17 GMT
Annoyingly, she also has the perfect name for the "City's number 10" chant. imagine that ringing around the 365. Sadly it'll never happen.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 25, 2024 16:09:54 GMT
Annoyingly, she also has the perfect name for the "City's number 10" chant. imagine that ringing around the 365. Sadly it'll never happen. She"ll certainly put a rocket up the arse of those playing around her
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Post by knype on Feb 25, 2024 16:27:40 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 25, 2024 16:31:51 GMT
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Post by dutchstokie on Feb 25, 2024 17:59:02 GMT
That's everything to do with the company you keep. Words fail me. I take it your friends and family all want her back.. Of course he does, he’s a terrorist sympathiser…
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Post by metalhead on Feb 25, 2024 18:03:42 GMT
Yep normal rational people. It’s not extreme racists who believe she made her bed How many terrorists acts and other crimes have been committed by people known to the authorities? Loads. I’d be more concerned of the sympathisers who time and time again let scum like this off the hook No-one is suggesting she be left off the hook Try her, tag her do whatever is necessary It breaks the Law to make someone Stateless as per the link I posted from House of Commons above. She is a British born and bred Citizen and we need to deal with it. I also posted a link where 400 similar people some who actually fought for ISIS have returned from Syria and Iraq without the Media Circus She is being singled out by subliminal use of her Image in some sections of the Media to define what Terrorists look like I.e. you can't trust any Muslim I utterly condemn her and her actions but I'd rather not have Government break the Law. The stupidity is two-fold. One, it makes Britain look weak. Really weak. We're too afraid to take a 24 year old girl back, so are willing to set an extremely dangerous precedent by leaving her effectively stateless. It says a lot about the confidence levels in the various security services that we genuinely don't trust them to be able to keep tabs of a internationally recognised terrorist. Two, the longer we refuse to deal with the problem, the greater the chance of these rulings being challenged successfully. We're sailing in very murky waters legally speaking. I'm still very unconvinced by our legal position and i am surprised it's gone on this long. A strong leader would have ensured that Begum was dealt with effectively and in a way that is legally repeatable so that it acts a deterrent. If Begum is ultimately successful in one of her challenges, we may end up in a situation where SHE IS walking the streets because we've not taken the necessary steps to ensure she is legally prevented from doing so. Setting a legal precedent would have ensured that the next time the British legal system is faced with a Shamima Begum, it is fully equipped to deal with him/her. Right now, I'm not sure it is.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 25, 2024 18:06:35 GMT
Words fail me. I take it your friends and family all want her back.. Of course he does, he’s a terrorist sympathiser… Nobody on this forum is a terrorist sympathizer and that's an utterly disgusting statement to make imo.
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Post by knype on Feb 25, 2024 18:08:19 GMT
Ahh bless. Thinking more of a terrorist supporting wrong un over British people
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Post by knype on Feb 25, 2024 18:08:46 GMT
Of course he does, he’s a terrorist sympathiser… Nobody on this forum is a terrorist sympathizer and that's an utterly disgusting statement to make imo. Yeah ok.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 25, 2024 18:11:01 GMT
Why does no-one ever want Jack Letts to be given his British citizenship back & to be brought home? What's so special about Shamima Begum?
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Post by metalhead on Feb 25, 2024 18:16:20 GMT
Nobody on this forum is a terrorist sympathizer and that's an utterly disgusting statement to make imo. Yeah ok. If you honestly believe that Huddy (or anyone else for that matter) genuinely sympathises with actual terrorists then that's batshit crazy. You're either paranoid or just trying be insulting by using one of the worst strawman arguments you could possibly conjure up. There are better ways to deal with the Shamima Begum problem than shooting ourselves in the foot.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 25, 2024 18:42:11 GMT
If you honestly believe that Huddy (or anyone else for that matter) genuinely sympathises with actual terrorists then that's batshit crazy. You're either paranoid or just trying be insulting by using one of the worst strawman arguments you could possibly conjure up. There are better ways to deal with the Shamima Begum problem than shooting ourselves in the foot. Unfortunately there are quite a few on the EE board who try to bring things down to the personal, either directly or subtley....it's a shame because it adds nothing and puts many other good posters off posting. It seems to me that many see each post from the perspective of " which 'side' is the poster on, as the starting point ?" It's sad we cannot discuss the issues without resorting to " insults". I don't think it would happen, face to face. Perhaps another symptom of social media.....and yet us adults point to similar issues amongst young people, condemning the ' bullying ' etc. Are we any better, just a bit older and more constrained because we think we know how to play the game. Really it simply reflects on the abuser. Look after your broom.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 25, 2024 18:51:00 GMT
If you honestly believe that Huddy (or anyone else for that matter) genuinely sympathises with actual terrorists then that's batshit crazy. You're either paranoid or just trying be insulting by using one of the worst strawman arguments you could possibly conjure up. There are better ways to deal with the Shamima Begum problem than shooting ourselves in the foot. Unfortunately there are quite a few on the EE board who try to bring things down to the personal, either directly or subtley....its a shame because it adds nothing and puts many other good posters off posting. It seems to me that many see each post from the perspective of " which 'side' is the poster on ?" It's sad we cannot discuss the issues without resorting to " insults". I don't think it would happen, face to face. Perhaps another symptom of social media.....and yet us adults point to similar issues amongst young people, condemning the ' bullying ' etc. Are we any better, just a bit older and more constrained because we think we know how to play the game. Really it simply reflects on the abuser. Look after your broom. Which is exactly why I started the “winning the lottery” thread. The majority of threads have turned into either echo chambers or shouting matches.
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Post by knype on Feb 25, 2024 18:51:09 GMT
If you honestly believe that Huddy (or anyone else for that matter) genuinely sympathises with actual terrorists then that's batshit crazy. You're either paranoid or just trying be insulting by using one of the worst strawman arguments you could possibly conjure up. There are better ways to deal with the Shamima Begum problem than shooting ourselves in the foot. Unfortunately there are quite a few on the EE board who try to bring things down to the personal, either directly or subtley....its a shame because it adds nothing and puts many other good posters off posting. It seems to me that many see each post from the perspective of " which 'side' is the poster on ?" It's sad we cannot discuss the issues without resorting to " insults". I don't think it would happen, face to face. Perhaps another symptom of social media.....and yet us adults point to similar issues amongst young people, condemning the ' bullying ' etc. Are we any better, just a bit older and more constrained because we think we know how to play the game. Really it simply reflects on the abuser. Look after your broom. Just the same as calling someone racist or insinuating that they are ?
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Post by knype on Feb 25, 2024 18:51:56 GMT
Unfortunately there are quite a few on the EE board who try to bring things down to the personal, either directly or subtley....its a shame because it adds nothing and puts many other good posters off posting. It seems to me that many see each post from the perspective of " which 'side' is the poster on ?" It's sad we cannot discuss the issues without resorting to " insults". I don't think it would happen, face to face. Perhaps another symptom of social media.....and yet us adults point to similar issues amongst young people, condemning the ' bullying ' etc. Are we any better, just a bit older and more constrained because we think we know how to play the game. Really it simply reflects on the abuser. Look after your broom. Which is exactly why I started the “winning the lottery” thread. The majority of threads have turned into either echo chambers or shouting matches. Cobs, they always will
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Post by wannabee on Feb 25, 2024 18:53:02 GMT
Why does no-one ever want Jack Letts to be given his British citizenship back & to be brought home? What's so special about Shamima Begum? I'll take this as being a serious question Because Jack Letts was born in Canada and held dual Canadian and British Citizenship until his British Citizenship was revoked in 2019 and obviously he wasn't made Stateless I have posted earlier if it remains the same, to my knowledge if Shamima Begum's Citizenship remains revoked it will be the first time it will have happened to a British born Citizen
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 25, 2024 18:57:24 GMT
Unfortunately there are quite a few on the EE board who try to bring things down to the personal, either directly or subtley....its a shame because it adds nothing and puts many other good posters off posting. It seems to me that many see each post from the perspective of " which 'side' is the poster on ?" It's sad we cannot discuss the issues without resorting to " insults". I don't think it would happen, face to face. Perhaps another symptom of social media.....and yet us adults point to similar issues amongst young people, condemning the ' bullying ' etc. Are we any better, just a bit older and more constrained because we think we know how to play the game. Really it simply reflects on the abuser. Look after your broom. Just the same as calling someone racist or insinuating that they are ? Probably Knype. We do tend to be quick to judge people , whilst claiming to be non judgemental. ( This is NOT directed at anyone at all, as far as I am concerned). A bit pointless really and doesn't add anything to the point being discussed.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 25, 2024 19:03:32 GMT
Why does no-one ever want Jack Letts to be given his British citizenship back & to be brought home? What's so special about Shamima Begum? I'll take this as being a serious question Because Jack Letts was born in Canada and held dual Canadian and British Citizenship until his British Citizenship was revoked in 2019 and obviously he wasn't made Stateless I have posted earlier if it remains the same, to my knowledge if Shamima Begum's Citizenship remains revoked it will be the first time it will have happened to a British born Citizen Jack Letts was born in Oxford, he's British, so is his mother, his father is Canadian.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 25, 2024 19:13:23 GMT
I'll take this as being a serious question Because Jack Letts was born in Canada and held dual Canadian and British Citizenship until his British Citizenship was revoked in 2019 and obviously he wasn't made Stateless I have posted earlier if it remains the same, to my knowledge if Shamima Begum's Citizenship remains revoked it will be the first time it will have happened to a British born Citizen Jack Letts was born in Oxford, he's British, so is his mother, his father is Canadian. I think the point is more that he wasn’t left without a State as when Britain removed citizenship, he was still Canadian. Begum won’t have one and apparently, that’s a problem.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 25, 2024 19:18:11 GMT
Jack Letts was born in Oxford, he's British, so is his mother, his father is Canadian. I think the point is more that he wasn’t left without a State as when Britain removed citizenship, he was still Canadian. Begum won’t have one and apparently, that’s a problem. Only for her.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 25, 2024 19:27:08 GMT
I'll take this as being a serious question Because Jack Letts was born in Canada and held dual Canadian and British Citizenship until his British Citizenship was revoked in 2019 and obviously he wasn't made Stateless I have posted earlier if it remains the same, to my knowledge if Shamima Begum's Citizenship remains revoked it will be the first time it will have happened to a British born Citizen Jack Letts was born in Oxford, he's British, so is his mother, his father is Canadian. You are correct Letts was Born in UK and it caused a massive Diplomatic Stink with Canada who accused UK of offloading its responsibilities It obviously hinges on whether someone becomes Stateless In a similar case to Begum In one case revealed by the Observer this week, a 40-year-old man, referred to only as E3, was stripped of his British citizenship in 2017. He was born in London to parents of Bangladeshi heritage, but had his citizenship removed when he flew to Bangladesh.
He was told he was an “Islamist extremist who had previously sought to travel abroad to participate in terrorism-related activity”. He has never been arrested or questioned in relation to these claims, nor has he been provided with any evidence which substantiates these claims.
His citizenship was reinstated after the Home Office accepted he is stateless as a result of having his British citizenship taken away from him. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/21/hundreds-stripped-british-citizenship-last-15-years-study-finds
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 25, 2024 19:31:33 GMT
No-one is suggesting she be left off the hook Try her, tag her do whatever is necessary It breaks the Law to make someone Stateless as per the link I posted from House of Commons above. She is a British born and bred Citizen and we need to deal with it. I also posted a link where 400 similar people some who actually fought for ISIS have returned from Syria and Iraq without the Media Circus She is being singled out by subliminal use of her Image in some sections of the Media to define what Terrorists look like I.e. you can't trust any Muslim I utterly condemn her and her actions but I'd rather not have Government break the Law. The stupidity is two-fold. One, it makes Britain look weak. Really weak. We're too afraid to take a 24 year old girl back, so are willing to set an extremely dangerous precedent by leaving her effectively stateless. It says a lot about the confidence levels in the various security services that we genuinely don't trust them to be able to keep tabs of a internationally recognised terrorist. Two, the longer we refuse to deal with the problem, the greater the chance of these rulings being challenged successfully. We're sailing in very murky waters legally speaking. I'm still very unconvinced by our legal position and i am surprised it's gone on this long. A strong leader would have ensured that Begum was dealt with effectively and in a way that is legally repeatable so that it acts a deterrent. If Begum is ultimately successful in one of her challenges, we may end up in a situation where SHE IS walking the streets because we've not taken the necessary steps to ensure she is legally prevented from doing so. Setting a legal precedent would have ensured that the next time the British legal system is faced with a Shamima Begum, it is fully equipped to deal with him/her. Right now, I'm not sure it is. Does allowing her back in the Country not make them look weak in any way?
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Feb 25, 2024 19:37:08 GMT
Not as well as the three Judges, who deemed her a risk, do. They didn't. The risk assessment was one undertaken by the Home Office who then took a course af action (depriving citizenship). It was this that Begum appealed against. It was the action not the risk which was the point of law. As Dame Sue Carr said on announcing their decision "“Our only task is to assess whether the deprivation decision was unlawful" Nothing to do with what the judges views were on 'risk' Err, they said the decision was not unlawful, therefore it was, err what's the word I'm looking for..oh yeah...Lawful. So they were in agreement. Either way she can fucking well stay put.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 25, 2024 19:55:25 GMT
She should have her feet tickled until she dies of torture by Big Nige live in the GB News pub
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Post by foster on Feb 25, 2024 20:04:18 GMT
If you honestly believe that Huddy (or anyone else for that matter) genuinely sympathises with actual terrorists then that's batshit crazy. You're either paranoid or just trying be insulting by using one of the worst strawman arguments you could possibly conjure up. There are better ways to deal with the Shamima Begum problem than shooting ourselves in the foot. Unfortunately there are quite a few on the EE board who try to bring things down to the personal, either directly or subtley....it's a shame because it adds nothing and puts many other good posters off posting. It seems to me that many see each post from the perspective of " which 'side' is the poster on, as the starting point ?" It's sad we cannot discuss the issues without resorting to " insults". I don't think it would happen, face to face. Perhaps another symptom of social media.....and yet us adults point to similar issues amongst young people, condemning the ' bullying ' etc. Are we any better, just a bit older and more constrained because we think we know how to play the game. Really it simply reflects on the abuser. Look after your broom. Trig does
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Post by thebasfordhedgehog on Feb 25, 2024 20:08:07 GMT
As well as chucking out nasty insults, our mate Attila is also has an expert legal mind, how lax of you... So him and Oggy are cut from the same cloth? Like HartshillBadger and Basfordhedgehog but less intelligent and engaging. This. I’ve always liked and respected your views, Cranny 👍
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 25, 2024 20:12:58 GMT
They didn't. The risk assessment was one undertaken by the Home Office who then took a course af action (depriving citizenship). It was this that Begum appealed against. It was the action not the risk which was the point of law. As Dame Sue Carr said on announcing their decision "“Our only task is to assess whether the deprivation decision was unlawful" Nothing to do with what the judges views were on 'risk' Err, they said the decision was not unlawful, therefore it was, err what's the word I'm looking for..oh yeah...Lawful. So they were in agreement. Either way she can fucking well stay put. Err, since when have 'lawful' and 'risk' been - er what's the words I'm looking for - oh yes - 'the same thing'? They're not. What they actually said was "“It could be argued that the decision in Miss Begum’s case was harsh. It could also be argued that Miss Begum is the author of her own misfortune. But it is not for this court to agree or disagree with either point of view" So they were silent on whether they agreed or not because it was not in their remit. So stop making stuff up.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 25, 2024 20:23:01 GMT
Yep normal rational people. It’s not extreme racists who believe she made her bed How many terrorists acts and other crimes have been committed by people known to the authorities? Loads. I’d be more concerned of the sympathisers who time and time again let scum like this off the hook No-one is suggesting she be left off the hook Try her, tag her do whatever is necessary It breaks the Law to make someone Stateless as per the link I posted from House of Commons above. She is a British born and bred Citizen and we need to deal with it. I also posted a link where 400 similar people some who actually fought for ISIS have returned from Syria and Iraq without the Media Circus She is being singled out by subliminal use of her Image in some sections of the Media to define what Terrorists look like I.e. you can't trust any Muslim I utterly condemn her and her actions but I'd rather not have Government break the Law. I’m casting opinion on the law. All I’m saying it is not extreme behaviour to be of the opinion of good riddance. (Even though I know she will get back)
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Post by metalhead on Feb 25, 2024 20:38:51 GMT
The stupidity is two-fold. One, it makes Britain look weak. Really weak. We're too afraid to take a 24 year old girl back, so are willing to set an extremely dangerous precedent by leaving her effectively stateless. It says a lot about the confidence levels in the various security services that we genuinely don't trust them to be able to keep tabs of a internationally recognised terrorist. Two, the longer we refuse to deal with the problem, the greater the chance of these rulings being challenged successfully. We're sailing in very murky waters legally speaking. I'm still very unconvinced by our legal position and i am surprised it's gone on this long. A strong leader would have ensured that Begum was dealt with effectively and in a way that is legally repeatable so that it acts a deterrent. If Begum is ultimately successful in one of her challenges, we may end up in a situation where SHE IS walking the streets because we've not taken the necessary steps to ensure she is legally prevented from doing so. Setting a legal precedent would have ensured that the next time the British legal system is faced with a Shamima Begum, it is fully equipped to deal with him/her. Right now, I'm not sure it is. Does allowing her back in the Country not make them look weak in any way? I've not suggested we just let her back. I've said we must not actively 'do nothing' because doing so risks setting a dangerous precedent. She is our mess to clean-up. We are ignoring this situation but it isn't going to go away. The refugee camp where she is currently living DON'T WANT HER THERE. They've said that repeatedly. I believe that unless we can appropriately relocate her, we probably need to bring her back and she needs housing in some sort of indefinite detention facility. Either prison or somewhere where she is unable to radicalize others. These are the kind of problems that strong politicians deal with head on. Sadly, we have a bunch of spineless drones running the show. You'll all be moaning if one of her challenges is successful and we have nothing in place to deal with her, but the failure lies with our government's inability to deal with the problem head on... Not those who are taking advantage of their weakness.
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