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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 25, 2024 10:26:53 GMT
Yep normal rational people. It’s not extreme racists who believe she made her bed How many terrorists acts and other crimes have been committed by people known to the authorities? Loads. I’d be more concerned of the sympathisers who time and time again let scum like this off the hook Spot on Bless....
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Feb 25, 2024 10:35:42 GMT
The majority of people I have discussed this with don't want the terrorist bitch back That's everything to do with the company you keep. Words fail me. I take it your friends and family all want her back..
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Post by wannabee on Feb 25, 2024 10:48:06 GMT
That's everything to do with the company you keep. Yep normal rational people. It’s not extreme racists who believe she made her bed How many terrorists acts and other crimes have been committed by people known to the authorities? Loads. I’d be more concerned of the sympathisers who time and time again let scum like this off the hook No-one is suggesting she be left off the hook Try her, tag her do whatever is necessary It breaks the Law to make someone Stateless as per the link I posted from House of Commons above. She is a British born and bred Citizen and we need to deal with it. I also posted a link where 400 similar people some who actually fought for ISIS have returned from Syria and Iraq without the Media Circus She is being singled out by subliminal use of her Image in some sections of the Media to define what Terrorists look like I.e. you can't trust any Muslim I utterly condemn her and her actions but I'd rather not have Government break the Law.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 25, 2024 10:50:36 GMT
That's everything to do with the company you keep. Words fail me. I take it your friends and family all want her back.. And I take it you don't understand the law.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 25, 2024 11:07:09 GMT
Yep normal rational people. It’s not extreme racists who believe she made her bed How many terrorists acts and other crimes have been committed by people known to the authorities? Loads. I’d be more concerned of the sympathisers who time and time again let scum like this off the hook No-one is suggesting she be left off the hook Try her, tag her do whatever is necessary It breaks the Law to make someone Stateless as per the link I posted from House of Commons above. She is a British born and bred Citizen and we need to deal with it. I also posted a link where 400 similar people some who actually fought for ISIS have returned from Syria and Iraq without the Media Circus She is being singled out by subliminal use of her Image in some sections of the Media to define what Terrorists look like I.e. you can't trust any Muslim I utterly condemn her and her actions but I'd rather not have Government break the Law. To be fair, the latest decision said the government did not act unlawfully in revoking her nationality because at the time it was done she was under 21 and could have got her Bangladeshi passport. The fact she didn’t is being deemed as her problem. Perhaps this will be overturned but we will have to see. What is nonsense is the argument some are saying on here that if you wouldn’t want her living next door or playing with your kids then she should lose her nationality!!
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Post by musik on Feb 25, 2024 11:19:40 GMT
To be fair, the latest decision said the government did not act unlawfully in revoking her nationality because at the time it was done SHE WAS UNDER 21 and could have got her Bangladeshi passport. The fact she didn’t is being deemed as her problem. Perhaps this will be overturned, but we will have to see. 🤔
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Post by sticky on Feb 25, 2024 11:30:23 GMT
A lot of waffle on this chat tbf, if your prepared have your kids/grandkids play amongst her then fair enough. Not for me I wouldn’t let my kids play with a lot of people in prison I imagine. Should they all lose their nationality? There are kids at my son’s school I won’t let him play with at their house. Should those children and their families lose their nationality? Your test for whether someone should lose their nationality is not fit for purpose. The courts are far better placed to decide and they have said she loses her British passport. Not because the Judge wouldn’t let their kids play with her. Thats that then, welcome her back and she can live next door to you👍🏻
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 25, 2024 11:40:41 GMT
I wouldn’t let my kids play with a lot of people in prison I imagine. Should they all lose their nationality? There are kids at my son’s school I won’t let him play with at their house. Should those children and their families lose their nationality? Your test for whether someone should lose their nationality is not fit for purpose. The courts are far better placed to decide and they have said she loses her British passport. Not because the Judge wouldn’t let their kids play with her. Thats that then, welcome her back and she can live next door to you👍🏻 I think she would be tried for terrorism offences most likely. She would have to buy my neighbour’s properties to live next door to me. I can’t stop her. The kids that murdered Brianna Ghey. Presumably you wouldn’t want them living next door to you? So you think their nationality should be revoked?
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Feb 25, 2024 11:40:44 GMT
Words fail me. I take it your friends and family all want her back.. And I take it you don't understand the law. Not as well as the three Judges, who deemed her a risk, do.
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Post by sticky on Feb 25, 2024 11:50:42 GMT
Thats that then, welcome her back and she can live next door to you👍🏻 I think she would be tried for terrorism offences most likely. She would have to buy my neighbour’s properties to live next door to me. I can’t stop her. The kids that murdered Brianna Ghey. Presumably you wouldn’t want them living next door to you? So you think their nationality should be revoked? Not sure what they’ve got to do with it but no, they should never be released. And do you seriously think she’ll be convicted of anything meaningful? She won’t. Fair enough we’ll stick her on a council estate next to some one else then👍🏻
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Post by wannabee on Feb 25, 2024 11:55:47 GMT
No-one is suggesting she be left off the hook Try her, tag her do whatever is necessary It breaks the Law to make someone Stateless as per the link I posted from House of Commons above. She is a British born and bred Citizen and we need to deal with it. I also posted a link where 400 similar people some who actually fought for ISIS have returned from Syria and Iraq without the Media Circus She is being singled out by subliminal use of her Image in some sections of the Media to define what Terrorists look like I.e. you can't trust any Muslim I utterly condemn her and her actions but I'd rather not have Government break the Law. To be fair, the latest decision said the government did not act unlawfully in revoking her nationality because at the time it was done she was under 21 and could have got her Bangladeshi passport. The fact she didn’t is being deemed as her problem. Perhaps this will be overturned but we will have to see. What is nonsense is the argument some are saying on here that if you wouldn’t want her living next door or playing with your kids then she should lose her nationality!! The decision was based on a matter of Law that the Secretary of State Sajid Javid didn't act unlawfully when he stripped her of Citizenship because de jure in theory aged 19 she could technically receive Bangladeshi Citizenship. He didn't have to consider de facto she had no actual practical chance of obtaining it and the Bangladeshi Government had said at the time they would refuse it. They went on to say Javid's decision could be considered harsh but also considered she may have brought it upon herself This is dancing on the head of a pin and as I said earlier this was always destined to go to Supreme Court or possibly even ECHR A great way to keep the Culture Wars stoked
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 25, 2024 11:56:07 GMT
And I take it you don't understand the law. Not as well as the three Judges, who deemed her a risk, do. They didn't. The risk assessment was one undertaken by the Home Office who then took a course af action (depriving citizenship). It was this that Begum appealed against. It was the action not the risk which was the point of law. As Dame Sue Carr said on announcing their decision "“Our only task is to assess whether the deprivation decision was unlawful" Nothing to do with what the judges views were on 'risk'
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 25, 2024 12:01:56 GMT
Can't she just live in an airport and eat crackers and mustard like that stateless dude Tom Hanks played ?
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 25, 2024 12:21:29 GMT
I think she would be tried for terrorism offences most likely. She would have to buy my neighbour’s properties to live next door to me. I can’t stop her. The kids that murdered Brianna Ghey. Presumably you wouldn’t want them living next door to you? So you think their nationality should be revoked? Not sure what they’ve got to do with it but no, they should never be released. And do you seriously think she’ll be convicted of anything meaningful? She won’t. Fair enough we’ll stick her on a council estate next to some one else then👍🏻 You seem to think the legal test for revoking nationality is whether or not you want them living next door to you.
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Post by musik on Feb 25, 2024 12:24:55 GMT
Can't she just live in an airport and eat crackers and mustard like that stateless dude Tom Hanks played ? I'm not very found of mustard. The only time I eat it is w pea soup, a little string at the edge of the bowl.
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Post by sticky on Feb 25, 2024 12:26:55 GMT
Not sure what they’ve got to do with it but no, they should never be released. And do you seriously think she’ll be convicted of anything meaningful? She won’t. Fair enough we’ll stick her on a council estate next to some one else then👍🏻 You seem to think the legal test for revoking nationality is whether or not you want them living next door to you. And you advocate for undesirables being allowed back in, but don’t want them living near you.. pretty much closes the discussion really. We’ll never agree so il leave it there
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 25, 2024 12:32:06 GMT
You seem to think the legal test for revoking nationality is whether or not you want them living next door to you. And you advocate for undesirables being allowed back in, but don’t want them living near you.. pretty much closes the discussion really. We’ll never agree so il leave it there Ideally, they bring her back, put her in a hole in a prison and simply forget which one.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 25, 2024 12:44:34 GMT
Can't she just live in an airport and eat crackers and mustard like that stateless dude Tom Hanks played ? I'm not very found of mustard. The only time I eat it is w pea soup, a little string at the edge of the bowl. Mustard and corned beef is my fave sandwich Has to be microwaved though
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 25, 2024 13:32:18 GMT
You seem to think the legal test for revoking nationality is whether or not you want them living next door to you. And you advocate for undesirables being allowed back in, but don’t want them living near you.. pretty much closes the discussion really. We’ll never agree so il leave it there Don’t lie. I said I cannot stop her buying my neighbour’s house. I think the law is better decided by our Judges than by who we do and don’t want living next door to us.
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Post by sticky on Feb 25, 2024 13:47:19 GMT
And you advocate for undesirables being allowed back in, but don’t want them living near you.. pretty much closes the discussion really. We’ll never agree so il leave it there Don’t lie. I said I cannot stop her buying my neighbour’s house. I think the law is better decided by our Judges than by who we do and don’t want living next door to us. ok, il meet you half way…send her to live next door to the judges then
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 25, 2024 13:52:35 GMT
Don’t lie. I said I cannot stop her buying my neighbour’s house. I think the law is better decided by our Judges than by who we do and don’t want living next door to us. ok, il meet you half way…send her to live next door to the judges then The judges ruled that the government acted lawfully in revoking her nationality. You really need to read up on the story before posting on here. She remains outside of this country without any prospect of returning unless she can win an appeal. She isn’t moving next door to anyone in the UK.
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Post by sticky on Feb 25, 2024 13:58:17 GMT
ok, il meet you half way…send her to live next door to the judges then The judges ruled that the government acted lawfully in revoking her nationality. You really need to read up on the story before posting on here. She remains outside of this country without any prospect of returning unless she can win an appeal. She isn’t moving next door to anyone in the UK. Thanks for the patronising post, I have read the story thankyou. My opinion differs from yours, calm down a bit and enjoy what’s left of your Sunday
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 25, 2024 14:02:20 GMT
The judges ruled that the government acted lawfully in revoking her nationality. You really need to read up on the story before posting on here. She remains outside of this country without any prospect of returning unless she can win an appeal. She isn’t moving next door to anyone in the UK. Thanks for the patronising post, I have read the story thankyou. My opinion differs from yours, calm down a bit and enjoy what’s left of your Sunday The outcome of the hearing that she isn’t allowed to return here isn’t an opinion.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 25, 2024 14:21:08 GMT
For me,pragmantic problems, with her re-entry..
If she returned whether after a jail sentence, or not , ot tagging , presumably she would be " released " into the community. Clearly she would not be left alone and there would be unrest, I would not put it past some members of the community to murder her or her family. Life would not be allowed to continue as though nothing had happened. Then there is the press interest. Politically no political party would want to be held responsible for her re-entry, better to let her fade from public consciousness.
Having said that eventually I think she will return.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 25, 2024 14:24:41 GMT
Not as well as the three Judges, who deemed her a risk, do. They didn't. The risk assessment was one undertaken by the Home Office who then took a course af action (depriving citizenship). It was this that Begum appealed against. It was the action not the risk which was the point of law. As Dame Sue Carr said on announcing their decision "“Our only task is to assess whether the deprivation decision was unlawful" Nothing to do with what the judges views were on 'risk' As well as chucking out nasty insults, our mate Attila is also has an expert legal mind, how lax of you...
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 25, 2024 14:30:31 GMT
They didn't. The risk assessment was one undertaken by the Home Office who then took a course af action (depriving citizenship). It was this that Begum appealed against. It was the action not the risk which was the point of law. As Dame Sue Carr said on announcing their decision "“Our only task is to assess whether the deprivation decision was unlawful" Nothing to do with what the judges views were on 'risk' As well as chucking out nasty insults, our mate Attila is also has an expert legal mind, how lax of you... So him and Oggy are cut from the same cloth? Like HartshillBadger and Basfordhedgehog but less intelligent and engaging.
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Post by Kpsje on Feb 25, 2024 14:37:27 GMT
here’s sir keith just 12 months ago. a relevant saying from an ancient document: to whom one must entrust himself? the reply was: to those who are drawn to you through loyalty and not through fear or flattery with personal gain as their only objective. the former is a sign of affection, the latter a sign of disaffection and expediency. the man whose aim is mere success is a natural traitor (letter of aristeas) in plain english, sir keith is a two-faced, flip-flopping ****! (smiley face)
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Post by foster on Feb 25, 2024 14:38:59 GMT
Bring her back, send her to prison and stick her in a hole for the rest of her life.
It's correct that she is our problem to deal with. It's also cheaper to send her to prison than what all this shit is costing. Why even give her the airtime.
Also, I think the people on here throwing labels around should understand the context a bit better. We're not discussing an ordinary Muslim here. We're discussing a known terrorist who has aided and abetted in the murder of innocents.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 25, 2024 14:48:28 GMT
Bring her back, send her to prison and stick her in a hole for the rest of her life. It's correct that she is our problem to deal with. It's also cheaper to send her to prison than what all this shit is costing. Why even give her the airtime. Also, I think the people on here throwing labels around should understand the context a bit better. We're not discussing an ordinary Muslim here. We're discussing a known terrorist who has aided and abetted in the murder of innocents. Bring her back and treat her exactly the same as Julian Assange.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 25, 2024 14:49:40 GMT
here’s sir keith just 12 months ago : a relevant saying from an ancient document : to whom one must entrust himself? the reply was : to those who are drawn to you through loyalty and not through fear or flattery with personal gain as their only objective. the former is a sign of affection, the latter a sign of disaffection and expediency. the man whose aim is mere success is a natural traitor (letter of aristeas) in plain english, sir keith is a two-faced, flip-flopping ****! (smiley face) He's a politician, what do you expect, somebody who stands by their principles?
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