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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 21, 2024 21:50:52 GMT
Changing the manager has worked in the past 🤔 We need to stick with him, I'll be gutted if he goes he's been flogged a dead horse and if the rumours are true about all the goings on at the club then I'd say he hasn't had a fair crack at it. It looks like we need relegation to get the monkey off our back Why do people keep saying we need a relegation to sort everything out? It's an absolute nonsense. Relegation to the third tier (again) would be absolutely devastating for this club in more ways than one and, under this particular ownership, could take decades to recover from. It’d be just like relegation from the Prem was, a complete disaster. The majority of players we’ll be stuck with are toss and we won’t be able to get rid of them but they’ll also think they’re too good for the league and sulk accordingly.
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Post by alsager58 on Feb 21, 2024 22:41:11 GMT
Unfortunately there is a small group of so called supporters on the Oatcake that are so negative and really short sighted in their short term expectations, if we lose 5-6 games sack the manager??? Try and look through the fog in your tunnel vision and consider that we have at last a manager who wants to play on the front foot and has just delivered a 101 points haul last season at Plymouth (It would take recent Stoke squads two seasons to achieve this !!!), Please consider he has to currently pacify and carry this current mismatched group over the line for the next two months so allowing him the opportunity to create his own squad and revert back to the front foot style.
SS has been in the job for 2 months, remember he inherited a squad with one keeper no left back, Baker and Laurent injured , untrustworthy centre backs, a nightmare strike force of Wesley (Not Scored Yet), Gayle (Well done SS shipped out ), Campbell (Lightweight and afraid to get injured ahead of summer move), Vidigal (2 game wonder too lightweight) Nathan Lowe (Not ready). The Celtic Waster (I cannot comment as he's done nothing) Ryan Mmaee -Idle lazy scored a massive 2 goal haul which is level with our left back Jordan Thompsons return !!. (After his recent disciplinary his agent puts out a post quoting how much his waster wants to get back into the team etc - yet he still cannot make the U21 team this week - jokers on here are asking for his return !!!!!)
And you really want a change in manager??? You really expect SS to change this 7 year decline in 60 days???
Get behind SS for this season and next for those that don't realise he's actually on our side !!!
Get behind the manager and the players will automatically follow us, as strength is in numbers - Go on Schuey just do it lad !!
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 21, 2024 22:47:14 GMT
Schumacher needs proper support from the club and the right people higher up who are on the same page, he's not the problem. I broadly agree, but Schumacher had absolutely been a big part of the problem at times recently. His team selections have been awful. There are only so many times he can get away with choosing players that aren’t performing over ones he’s bombed out and lining them up in a formation that never works for us before he loses all the goodwill he has left. It’s all well and good questioning the structure of the club hierarchy but that doesn’t give the manager a free pass. His team selection and tactics against Coventry were absolutely pathetic. He doesn't have the players to play his way, teams had found out our weaknesses and were exploiting them. He had to change or we would be getting hammered every week. People were moaning we need a manager to shut up shop and scrape a few ugly wins to make sure we are safe, well he did that and we have looked fairly solid and people still aren't happy. He's stuck with a team of misfits who have been brought in because they have a lot of potential to increase their value and we can sell them on for a profit. There seems to have been no plan how we are supposed to fit these players into a functional team. Making a nice profit on players is ok if they slit nicely into a managers formation. Chelsea have done something very similar to us, bought a load of players that have loads of ability but can't play together because they don't fit in with any sort of structure.
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Post by alsager58 on Feb 21, 2024 23:08:07 GMT
Well said fully agree, we have to give SS time, hes young passionate, plays attacking football ( when he can ) you cannot lose 5-0 against a premier league side (Leicester) and come out gung ho in the next game. If Johnson would have scored the penalty at Blackburn we possibly would have won that game. Just do it Schuey lad
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Post by walrus on Feb 22, 2024 6:52:14 GMT
I broadly agree, but Schumacher had absolutely been a big part of the problem at times recently. His team selections have been awful. There are only so many times he can get away with choosing players that aren’t performing over ones he’s bombed out and lining them up in a formation that never works for us before he loses all the goodwill he has left. It’s all well and good questioning the structure of the club hierarchy but that doesn’t give the manager a free pass. His team selection and tactics against Coventry were absolutely pathetic. He doesn't have the players to play his way, teams had found out our weaknesses and were exploiting them. He had to change or we would be getting hammered every week. People were moaning we need a manager to shut up shop and scrape a few ugly wins to make sure we are safe, well he did that and we have looked fairly solid and people still aren't happy. He's stuck with a team of misfits who have been brought in because they have a lot of potential to increase their value and we can sell them on for a profit. There seems to have been no plan how we are supposed to fit these players into a functional team. Making a nice profit on players is ok if they slit nicely into a managers formation. Chelsea have done something very similar to us, bought a load of players that have loads of ability but can't play together because they don't fit in with any sort of structure. I keep seeing this argument and it’s true to some extent, but for me that doesn’t excuse or explain the line-up against Coventry or Leicester. Anyone who watches Stoke regularly could have told you that they were losses to nil waiting to happen. You just have to look at the Team News threads on here and see people’s reactions. And look what happened, we lost both games to nil. I really want it to work out for Schumacher but don’t buy the narrative that he’s largely blameless in our recent slump. He’s made some strange selection decisions, alienated several players, insists on playing Cundle despite the fact he’s contributed nothing, and has reverted to a formation that didn’t work for either of our previous two managers. You can say that “we don’t have the players to play the way he wants” but we don’t have the players to play a wingback system either. Every time we’ve tried to in the last few seasons it’s been dire to watch and we’ve ended up losing lots of matches.
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 22, 2024 7:05:57 GMT
He doesn't have the players to play his way, teams had found out our weaknesses and were exploiting them. He had to change or we would be getting hammered every week. People were moaning we need a manager to shut up shop and scrape a few ugly wins to make sure we are safe, well he did that and we have looked fairly solid and people still aren't happy. He's stuck with a team of misfits who have been brought in because they have a lot of potential to increase their value and we can sell them on for a profit. There seems to have been no plan how we are supposed to fit these players into a functional team. Making a nice profit on players is ok if they slit nicely into a managers formation. Chelsea have done something very similar to us, bought a load of players that have loads of ability but can't play together because they don't fit in with any sort of structure. I keep seeing this argument and it’s true to some extent, but for me that doesn’t excuse or explain the line-up against Coventry or Leicester. Anyone who watches Stoke regularly could have told you that they were losses to nil waiting to happen. You just have to look at the Team News threads on here and see people’s reactions. And look what happened, we lost both games to nil. I really want it to work out for Schumacher but don’t buy the narrative that he’s largely blameless in our recent slump. He’s made some strange selection decisions, alienated several players, insists on playing Cundle despite the fact he’s contributed nothing, and has reverted to a formation that didn’t work for either of our previous two managers. You can say that “we don’t have the players to play the way he wants” but we don’t have the players to play a wingback system either. Every time we’ve tried to in the last few seasons it’s been dire to watch and we’ve ended up losing lots of matches. He played a negative line up especially against Coventry to be solid for a lot of the game hoping the score line was tight and then bring our best players on later when Coventry were starting to tire and hopefully they can come on and get us a result. If the Coach didn't think they were fit enough to put a shift in for 90 minutes then it's a good plan. I didn't see much wrong with the strategy, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. Leicester are just a class above or two above us, a team like Leicester will expose a disjointed squad. As for Cundle he is far from being the problem, just give the lad time to grow and get his confidence, he's taking a lot of flack for a young lad. He's surrounded by misfits and he's trusted to put a shift in.
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 24, 2024 18:25:38 GMT
Harris will keep them up no problem. So it's now down to us, QPR or Huddersfield? 'Harris will keep them up no problem' bold prediction no? imo it's 9 teams for two relegation spots (on basis Rotherham are doomed) with 'wall very much in the mix Still think it's a bold prediction?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 24, 2024 18:29:36 GMT
'Harris will keep them up no problem' bold prediction no? imo it's 9 teams for two relegation spots (on basis Rotherham are doomed) with 'wall very much in the mix Still think it's a bold prediction? Excellent win today mate
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 24, 2024 18:30:51 GMT
Still think it's a bold prediction? Excellent win today mate He'll keep them up easily, and then get bloody sacked in November.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 24, 2024 18:39:44 GMT
He'll keep them up easily, and then get bloody sacked in November. Certainly a great start for sure
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