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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 20, 2024 14:36:43 GMT
This has never happened before then in the last 40/50 years🤔Going and tell the Zigger’s,The Paul Ruane’s of this world not to go and see what response you’d get.Its in blood of the supporters that go every week and infact it’s their life full stop. I’m as pissed off as the next fan but giving up is not an option No it hasn’t happened before, we have never had Billionaire owners, making the same simple mistake, owners and mistakes a plenty, but this is beyond anything I have lived through. As for giving up, that was never mentioned explicitly , it’s just how I feel, and clearly from the responses many are having the same feelings. For those that power through come what may, I applaud there attitude, and for the last 50 years, I have been there with them, but my current feeling is I need a little break, hopefully we will be welcomed back on our return. Enjoy your break then but you’ll be back
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Post by jokker on Feb 20, 2024 14:44:05 GMT
I can certainly respect anyone who feels that way, because that's what I did when Neil was appointed and it also tied in with the sudden poor showing of my country. So I gave up watching and didn't even look for results. I suppose it helped that I threw my energy on to cycling races (I had always cycled myself until my tremors set in). Now it was very exciting be danish during tour de france and other races too. But the Saturday feeling eventually set back in and I started following again. Not much joy in it, but it's like I have no choice.
So if anyone does feel the way the OP does, I'd echo what someone said above: take a break from football. Do something else for a change.
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Post by Veritas on Feb 20, 2024 14:58:16 GMT
In answer to your question...Supporter? Obviously Milkie is a supporter. How could they not be after going for 50 years? By stopping going! I have racked up 57 years of good, bad and indifferent but have no intention of giving up.
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Post by Pricey on Feb 20, 2024 15:02:27 GMT
Not quite as simple as that I'm afraid. This all feels very different this time. It doesn't seem to matter what we do, we can't get the DNA right. Ok, back in the day, the Manager did most things including identifying players, finding out about their temperments. Would they gel on and off pitch as a team? Did you have the right mix of grit, flair,strength etc. Now it's like picking a fantasy league team without really knowing what ethos and personality players have. Some random blokes are getting paid a small fortune to check out players on their ipads. maybe it's an age thing too. The older you get the more cynical? I'll always be a Stoke City supporter BUT I can do without the abject disappointment of the demise. There have been some good posts on this thread which show how 'hurt' people can be by their falling out of love with football and their team. There's not a lot of point in telling people that they're wrong and you're right. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. This has never happened before then in the last 40/50 years🤔Go and tell the Zigger’s,The Paul Ruane’s of this world not to go and see what response you’d get.Its in blood of the supporters that go every week and infact it’s their life full stop. I’m as pissed off as the next fan but giving up is not an option No one is telling anyone not to go on this thread are they? It's individual choice. Whatever anyone says it's genuinely concerning when we've seemingly got season ticket holders for 30-40 years deciding enough is enough. Not in 1990, not in 1999, not in 2018...now. Is it that difficult to grasp? Not going to matches is genuinely an option in their heads and they are starting to take that option having not done so when we were lower down the 92. This is some of the hardcore we're talking about; not people who first got a season ticket in 2008. It's not good.
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Post by Milkie on Feb 20, 2024 15:04:44 GMT
How could they not be after going for 50 years? By stopping going! I have racked up 57 years of good, bad and indifferent but have no intention of giving up. Veritas, I’m taking a break, my choice, your choice to carry on, we all have our reasons, it doesn’t make us any less or more of a supporter. The discussion here has , in the main been very healthy, some feel the same as I, a couple feel as indignant as you about those that are considering a break, not reknewing etc some are non committal, whichever way you feel, it is 7 years of mismanagement that has driven us to even have this conversation.
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Post by dutchstokie on Feb 20, 2024 15:11:09 GMT
Im not going to preach to anyone whether they should or shouldnt go as its their choice, although the sentiment is fully understandable. I sit religiously on Stoke City + every match day knowing exactly whats coming and lo and behold....... To you all who still go then hats off to you.....to those that dont I feel your pain. Last match for me was the 5-1 away jaunt at Sunderland which cost an arm and a leg for the whole weekend. I'll make no bones about it, I just cant afford OR justify it now I'll still come on here though and be an annoying old fart !
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Post by stokeson on Feb 20, 2024 15:27:44 GMT
Now Im a Pensioner I can sit in the posh seats for less than I paid sitting with the rabble So theres no chance I wont be going.As for the dire fare delivered on the pitch Ive seen much worse. I remember the season there was a "Deep Depression " chant in the style of a TV "Anadin" pain killer add of the time. As a Stoke fan our moto should be "Its the hope that kills you."
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Post by stoke1989 on Feb 20, 2024 15:30:52 GMT
This as the aura of someone on Facebook, writing a status saying that they're leaving Facebook.
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Post by mr on Feb 20, 2024 15:44:10 GMT
Giving up SCFC, that’s how they have made me feel, we are now into 7 1/2 years of decline, in that 7 1/2 years I can think of maybe half a dozen matches that have made me genuinely believe we are onto something, only for that optimism to be smashed to pieces - again. Like most I have called for managers heads, called for the CEO’s head, more managers heads, and now the DOFs head, but it just feels we are going in ever decreasing circles as the gravity crocodile drags us down the plug hole. I wonder what a genuine sporting excellence consultant would make of all of our processes, procedures, policies, staff, resource level, facilities etc - a David Braillsford type, I suspect we know, which makes it all the more galling, watching a billionaire bang his head into the same wall time and time again. It really does make you question your sanity of rocking up on a Saturday knowing you are going to be made bloody miserable, if it was a normal relationship you would have bowed out long since! Well clearly like many others I am reaching that point that I can’t just keep putting myself through it, I will use my season ticket, if a glimmer of hope arises, I will not be re-newing it, instead will take a little break, maybe watch Tamworth or Litchfield so I can get my footie fix without ruining every Saturday, I will obviously keep an eye on what’s going on, you can’t help it after 50 years, but I need to soften the impact until they deserve that we return in numbers. You didn’t read the terms and conditions did you? You’re stuck here with the rest of us unfortunately.
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Post by Milkie on Feb 20, 2024 15:46:08 GMT
Giving up SCFC, that’s how they have made me feel, we are now into 7 1/2 years of decline, in that 7 1/2 years I can think of maybe half a dozen matches that have made me genuinely believe we are onto something, only for that optimism to be smashed to pieces - again. Like most I have called for managers heads, called for the CEO’s head, more managers heads, and now the DOFs head, but it just feels we are going in ever decreasing circles as the gravity crocodile drags us down the plug hole. I wonder what a genuine sporting excellence consultant would make of all of our processes, procedures, policies, staff, resource level, facilities etc - a David Braillsford type, I suspect we know, which makes it all the more galling, watching a billionaire bang his head into the same wall time and time again. It really does make you question your sanity of rocking up on a Saturday knowing you are going to be made bloody miserable, if it was a normal relationship you would have bowed out long since! Well clearly like many others I am reaching that point that I can’t just keep putting myself through it, I will use my season ticket, if a glimmer of hope arises, I will not be re-newing it, instead will take a little break, maybe watch Tamworth or Litchfield so I can get my footie fix without ruining every Saturday, I will obviously keep an eye on what’s going on, you can’t help it after 50 years, but I need to soften the impact until they deserve that we return in numbers. You didn’t read the terms and conditions did you? You’re stuck here with the rest of us unfortunately. It’s the small print that will drag me back !! 😂
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Post by Milkie on Feb 20, 2024 15:50:08 GMT
This as the aura of someone on Facebook, writing a status saying that they're leaving Facebook. It does doesn’t it, after all Facebook is over 50 years old, intrinsically Tied to our families, DNA , friends and we have spent a considerable portion of our time and income , poking and liking for the last 50 years …….
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 20, 2024 15:54:38 GMT
All we need now is our resident Man City fan to come along and tell us he’s not going either😊
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 20, 2024 16:48:10 GMT
There's plenty of clubs that would love to swap places with us. It's shit but it won't always be shit. Highs and lows are part of being a fan of a club like Stoke. Even the top clubs go through tough periods. We will come out the other side and the good days will return once the club twigs we need a football brain to lead all those muppets upstairs.
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Post by Scouse on Feb 20, 2024 16:58:20 GMT
The big difference for me? We now have money, tons of it. That exacerbates both how crap we are and how crap we are being led. And that makes it worse for me at my age. When we didn't have a pot to piss in, neither did 85 other teams. Yet in 2024, 85 other teams would kill for our riches. Money has ruined football, and that has filtered down to us. The more money in football, the less enjoyable it gets. The problem with money is when it’s not spent in a timely or wise manner ..even with almost limitless wealth , you need a plan and to spend it wisely off the pitch the board have a long term plan to improve the stadium , the clubs training facilities etc , making the club more attractive and more likely to generate increased revenues ( even in a supposed deprived area ) …this short , medium and long term planning is carefully costed and budgeted at every step of the way.Having made the upgrade in staffing recruitment to help the board achieve this and when necessary outside industry experts to help them achieve their plans within agreed budgets… major structural disasters or competition rule changes apart the board hold their nerve , and show their business fortitude to ignore outside noise and stick to their plan and calendar of change However, on the pitch money is seen as the ‘instant’ answer to all everything, by fans and board alike .. in a game where patience is rare , money increases rather than reduces the idea of finding a quick fix .. no short , medium and long term fixes here ..’instant’ is the watch word for on the pitch matters .. no build your squad , especially its foundations slowly , and sticking with a manager ( head coach ) or at least recruit a succession of managers who at the very least prefer to play the game the same way and therefore only need to fine tune a developing squad .. no none of that , football instead rips up the plans at the most every 18 months ( regardless if the first 15 months were spent on change …and we with money to burn rip up the plan and start again more than most …madness sheer madness Hold your nerve , construct a squad over time ( several windows & hopefully via u21s coming through ) and you might get somewhere ..rip everything out and start again every 12-18 months and you won’t .. as we’ve demonstrated
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Post by smiler_andy on Feb 20, 2024 17:03:34 GMT
The big difference for me? We now have money, tons of it. That exacerbates both how crap we are and how crap we are being led. And that makes it worse for me at my age. When we didn't have a pot to piss in, neither did 85 other teams. Yet in 2024, 85 other teams would kill for our riches. Money has ruined football, and that has filtered down to us. The more money in football, the less enjoyable it gets. The problem with money is when it’s not spent in a timely or wise manner ..even with almost limitless wealth , you need a plan and to spend it wisely off the pitch the board have a long term plan to improve the stadium , the clubs training facilities , making the club more attractive and therefore more likely to generate increased revenues ( even in a supposed deprived area ) …this short , medium and long term planning is carefully costed and budgeted at every step of the way.Having made the upgrade in staffing recruitment to help the board achieve this and when necessary outside industry experts to help them achieve their plans within agreed budgets… major structural disasters or competition rule changes apart the board hold their nerve , and show their business fortitude to ignore outside noise and stick to their plan and calendar of change However, on the pitch money is seen as the ‘instant’ answer to all everything, by fans and board alike .. in a game where patience is rare , money increases rather than reduces the idea of finding a quick fix .. no short , medium and long term fixes here ..’instant’ is the watch word for on the pitch matters .. no build your squad , especially its foundations slowly , and sticking with a manager ( head coach ) or at least recruit a succession of managers who at the very least prefer to play the game the same way and therefore only need to fine tune a developing squad .. no none of that , football instead rips up the plans at the most every 18 months ( regardless if the first 15 months were spent on change …and we with money to burn rip up the plan and start again more than most …madness sheer madness Hold your nerve , construct a squad over time ( several windows & hopefully via u21s coming through ) and you might get somewhere ..rip everything out and start again every 12-18 months and you won’t .. as we’ve demonstrated Unfortunately we rip it all up during the season by sacking the manager. Then it becomes ground hog day. Then the quote we are taking a new direction which looks more like relegation. I expect Schumacher to be sacked after 10 games or so next season to continue the cycle.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 20, 2024 17:20:33 GMT
All we need now is our resident Man City fan to come along and tell us he’s not going either😊 He still goes Stoke home and away, so he can say what he wants about Man City.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 20, 2024 17:22:47 GMT
All we need now is our resident Man City fan to come along and tell us he’s not going either😊 He still goes Stoke home and away, so he can say what he wants about Man City. A perfect example of fans that change their mind then,never going again not long ago
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 20, 2024 17:24:02 GMT
He still goes Stoke home and away, so he can say what he wants about Man City. A perfect example of fans that change their mind then,never going again not long ago People get emotional on here and say stuff they don’t mean. Get over it and yourself.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 20, 2024 17:25:59 GMT
Next season would be my 50th as ST Holder. If we’re relegated I might not make it.
We are that far away from an EPL return it’s disheartening to say the least?……
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 20, 2024 17:28:46 GMT
A perfect example of fans that change their mind then,never going again not long ago People get emotional on here and say stuff they don’t mean. Get over it and yourself. I don’t need to get over anything,I just react to what is posted on a regular basis
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Post by banksy1art on Feb 20, 2024 17:47:15 GMT
People taking pride in giving up on their club is making me sick. Hope you never sang ‘city til I die’ or even ‘We’ll be with you every step along the way’. I’m staying because it’s my club, supported by my family, holds a lot of great and not so great memories. It’s more than football. Anyway it makes the great times even greater.
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Post by Ron on Feb 20, 2024 18:04:03 GMT
I think folk need to understand how for some it’s not a case of turning their back.. it may be a case of not renewing a season long commitment to go each week.
The point of the thread is that many die hards have had enough… and that is the big big worry. Not fickle folk- real die hards.
The club need to know how much they risk destroying all the good work building the fanbase.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 20, 2024 18:05:20 GMT
It just happens when you are not very good and getting worse. In the late 80s and early 90s we would be lucky to get more than 12,000. Even before promotion to the Prem it was 14,000 to 15,000 at best. It is not unique to us. Most clubs suffer when they are a bit crap and cut away from the supporter base
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Post by NassauDave on Feb 20, 2024 18:17:31 GMT
Giving up SCFC, that’s how they have made me feel, we are now into 7 1/2 years of decline, in that 7 1/2 years I can think of maybe half a dozen matches that have made me genuinely believe we are onto something, only for that optimism to be smashed to pieces - again. Like most I have called for managers heads, called for the CEO’s head, more managers heads, and now the DOFs head, but it just feels we are going in ever decreasing circles as the gravity crocodile drags us down the plug hole. I wonder what a genuine sporting excellence consultant would make of all of our processes, procedures, policies, staff, resource level, facilities etc - a David Braillsford type, I suspect we know, which makes it all the more galling, watching a billionaire bang his head into the same wall time and time again. It really does make you question your sanity of rocking up on a Saturday knowing you are going to be made bloody miserable, if it was a normal relationship you would have bowed out long since! Well clearly like many others I am reaching that point that I can’t just keep putting myself through it, I will use my season ticket, if a glimmer of hope arises, I will not be re-newing it, instead will take a little break, maybe watch Tamworth or Litchfield so I can get my footie fix without ruining every Saturday, I will obviously keep an eye on what’s going on, you can’t help it after 50 years, but I need to soften the impact until they deserve that we return in numbers. Well said and very true. It's dreadful and is sucking the life out of me also.
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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 20, 2024 18:20:25 GMT
People taking pride in giving up on their club is making me sick. Hope you never sang ‘city til I die’ or even ‘We’ll be with you every step along the way’. I’m staying because it’s my club, supported by my family, holds a lot of great and not so great memories. It’s more than football. Anyway it makes the great times even greater. I can't see anyone on this thread actively taking pride in 'giving up on their club'. In fact, the only thing I can see is a bunch of people who feel let down and who are rightly angry that a situation has been allowed to come to pass that is affecting their connection with the club they've supported since they were eating rusks and shitting in their own pants*. *As opposed to other people's pants (which is what I do nowadays)
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 20, 2024 18:28:12 GMT
I haven’t been since 2019 and I won’t until we start playing some entertaining football worthy of the outlay of money involved on a match day. I watch every game on the dodgy stick. Shoot me
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Post by tricky on Feb 20, 2024 18:33:59 GMT
Babies…
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 20, 2024 18:54:44 GMT
Biased. This is the change a letter word game thread isn’t it?🤔
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 20, 2024 18:56:25 GMT
What else are you gonna do on a Saturday? Sit in your fuckin' armchair wankin' off to Pop Idols? Then try and avoid your wife's gaze as you struggle to come to terms with your sexless marriage? Then go and spunk your wages on kebabs, fruit machines and brasses? Fuck that for a laugh! I know what I'd rather do. Barrow away, love it! What do you do on Sundays?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 20, 2024 18:58:59 GMT
What else are you gonna do on a Saturday? Sit in your fuckin' armchair wankin' off to Pop Idols? Then try and avoid your wife's gaze as you struggle to come to terms with your sexless marriage? Then go and spunk your wages on kebabs, fruit machines and brasses? Fuck that for a laugh! I know what I'd rather do. Barrow away, love it! What do you do on Sundays? Take a wild guess🤣
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