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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 20, 2024 12:34:56 GMT
Can fully understand the OP and all the sentiments on here. And I'm not going to preach, as I hate it when supporters tell supporters how to support. Everyone does so differently. I've done 50 years, 1250+ games and 72 grounds watching Stoke and bloody loved it. Some of our darkest days were also some of my most enjoyable - and that was because the game was often the bit that got in the way of a good time. I have never taken to the Britannia Stadium, and dad hated it. That's at the heart of it for me, as every game felt like an away da, but without the good bits. There is nowt worse than losing at home, as the day itself and the logistics for me were always crap. Recent circumstances have seen me going more and more to my localish non-league tam, and i have now ended up working there. Why? Because I enjoy going there more, it's really that simple. And more importantly, my youngest lad does, too. Noone loves sport more than him, but going to Stoke became a chore - he was bored shitless. He'd train util 1pm at Clayton Wood, then we'd grab a McD's and go the game - he was shattered and the afternoon was simply a borefest, week after week. He'd get home at 5.45pm at best, totally knackered and totally bored. I felt like a bad parent tbh. I also feel a total disconnect with my club. I have felt like a customer or client for a number of years. And it's nowt to do with losing or relegation - I've seen far worse. No, I just feel like I have little relationship with the football club and only important when they want something. Compare and contrast to non-league : every single time I go through the turnstiles at Leek, I feel like a mate and I feel like I'm part of a community. That's my job now - to grow that to more and more people. Of course, winning football helps - but it goes beyond that. To get a true connection you need to understand why people go to football, the local area and community, and make people feel wanted. It's cheaper, I can have a beer on a terrace, I have a laugh with mates, I see tons of time-served Stokies there, my lad loves it, the food is ace and cheaper, the cost is miles less, and I can be home for 5.05pm. That's massive - instead of 1-6pm (and being out of the house 8.30am-6pm), it's now 2.30-5.05pm. That's a big difference to a weekend. But most importantly, my lad loves it and I feel like it's how football used to be. The players give it their all, the football is good quality, and at the end of a game where 22 lads have played for the badge on the front of the shirt, they all have a meal and beer in the bar with the fans - how can that NOT build a sense of community? It's totally rekindled my love of football - unfortunately, at the expense of SCFC. Yes, I still watch matches on telly etc, but I've been in the ground three times this season, as I now go away with Leek which is a brilliant afternoon. Off the pitch, Simson King and An Emmerson are doing a fine job, but I feel zero connection with those who put the shirt on, nor those who manage and recruit them. I've had my fun - been selfish going all 0ver the country whilst wife and kids were at home. That has stopped now - when I go to football, I need those people to0 see that I've bloody enjoyed it. I'm fed up of Stoke making me angry, sad, bitter etc......I have vowed to spend my later years enjoying football more rather than letting football control my every mood, emotion and making us skint. I'm not telling folk to stop going - far from it. SCFC needs you. But please don't think there aren't alternatives. The club's hierarchy needs to understand that and start leading accordingly. That doesn't mean free buses, it mans truly understanding the connection between fan and club. This is an excellent post bunny and one I hope is read by all who run our club. I used to sit behind a couple from the day we moved to the Brit to two years ago when they gave up going. They were the biggest Stoke fans I knew, they'd be first to get season tickets, shirts, tickets for away games. A couple of years ago they just gave up going. They'd had enough. The club had lost its way and they couldn't see that returning. I see them every now and then in Newcastle town centre and they still follow the club, but at a distance, with no intention of going back. I almost can't comprehend how big a fan they were compared to what we see now. I posted on another thread this morning, I think this is the most hopeless I've felt when it comes to Stoke. Nothing we do seems to work, players, managers and staff come and go and there's a clear divide between supporters. I could never give Stoke up, but can completely understand why some have. It's got so bad that I've almost been hoping my dad and brother message me pre match to say they're not going so I've got an excuse not to. I'll still have my ST next year, but do I think the club deserve it? Quite frankly no. I love this club, but supporting us and continuing the way we are feels like self harm. The sad and worrying thing is, as apathy grows stronger, I'm struggling to see what the answer is to get us out of this mess.
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Post by ian57 on Feb 20, 2024 12:39:00 GMT
I could never give up in all honesty,my wife has been registered as disabled for 3 years now and although I can’t attend as many game as I would like I arrange care for her and make the long round trip whenever I can. it’s in my blood and has been since I attended my first game in 1965 and I would miss it too much.As supporters we have had loads of shit to put up with over the years but we’ve also had some good times and at the end of the day I’m glad that I was born in stoke on Trent and that I support my local club. utmp. but I can fully understand why some feel the way that they do.
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Post by Ron on Feb 20, 2024 13:07:48 GMT
I am currently living/ working abroad and watching from afar. I was lucky enough to have seen 2 home wins when I was back in England in Oct/ Nov.
However- there would have been a time where the idea of moving aboard and not going to home matches ( haven't been away much for a while due to the kids) was unfathomable. The utterly abject way the club has been run for years, coupled with the lack of hope, has undoubtedly contributed to me making the decision to go away and experience something new. But there is more to life than Stoke. I still watch from afar , and will return and renew the season ticket i'd had for 25 years when I'm home, BUT when you do stop going it is very easy to see why people do not go back.
I can fully see how people are turning their backs. I don't feel I have, and certainly wouldn't have done had I been home, however the break from it has done me the world of good.
One thing that does worry me is the total apathy. Everyone sits there mute. Anyone with a dissenting view will now get shot down by those around them and frowned at - passion is frowned at. That is what shocks me the most. We have gone from being the country's most passionate support to amongst the least.
Whilst that says a lot about what has routinely been on offer I do think that passion should or could have been directed to the board to make it clear to them how badly the supporters think it is going.
Instead there are an increasing number of empty seats every week (very clear when you watch on tv) and total apathy.
More coordinated supporter led response the malaise needs to take place.
The club see supporter engagement as the "superfans" happy clapping at these contrived meet the supporters events. At other clubs such events would have resulted in a riot in the current circs. At SCFC attending fans have their pictures taken with the inept idiots ruining our club.
I'm glad I'm away from the happy clapping the club to doom that a lot of supporters continually do.
There's more to caring about the club than simply turning up.
(.... waiting for those to attack me on the basis that i can't say anything as im currently not going in person).
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Post by Veritas on Feb 20, 2024 13:37:19 GMT
Giving up SCFC, that’s how they have made me feel, we are now into 7 1/2 years of decline, in that 7 1/2 years I can think of maybe half a dozen matches that have made me genuinely believe we are onto something, only for that optimism to be smashed to pieces - again. Like most I have called for managers heads, called for the CEO’s head, more managers heads, and now the DOFs head, but it just feels we are going in ever decreasing circles as the gravity crocodile drags us down the plug hole. I wonder what a genuine sporting excellence consultant would make of all of our processes, procedures, policies, staff, resource level, facilities etc - a David Braillsford type, I suspect we know, which makes it all the more galling, watching a billionaire bang his head into the same wall time and time again. It really does make you question your sanity of rocking up on a Saturday knowing you are going to be made bloody miserable, if it was a normal relationship you would have bowed out long since! Well clearly like many others I am reaching that point that I can’t just keep putting myself through it, I will use my season ticket, if a glimmer of hope arises, I will not be re-newing it, instead will take a little break, maybe watch Tamworth or Litchfield so I can get my footie fix without ruining every Saturday, I will obviously keep an eye on what’s going on, you can’t help it after 50 years, but I need to soften the impact until they deserve that we return in numbers. Supporter?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 20, 2024 13:38:21 GMT
Any young new Stokie just starting on his/her journey supporting Stoke City,must be wondering what the hell am I doing,there must be something else I can do,that doesn't make me feel depressed every week.
Most life long supporters,will keep at it,its too ingrained in our blood,but the younger ones are the future of the club,which they may lose,& end up playing in a half empty stadium.
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Post by flea79 on Feb 20, 2024 13:41:35 GMT
What else are you gonna do on a Saturday? Sit in your fuckin' armchair wankin' off to Pop Idols? Then try and avoid your wife's gaze as you struggle to come to terms with your sexless marriage? Then go and spunk your wages on kebabs, fruit machines and brasses? Fuck that for a laugh! I know what I'd rather do. congratulations you can copy and paste a quote from the football factory
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Post by doctortheopolis on Feb 20, 2024 13:42:16 GMT
I'm really pleased that this thread has been started and it's got balanced posts on it. It has been something on my mind over the last couple of months too and I feel so conflicted about SCFC at the moment. I saw relegation in 1990, in 1998 and 2018 and none were enjoyable at all but there was never any doubt that I would still turn up and support the team. Maybe this was the bliss of youthful ignorance but I've always renewed and hoped for better times ahead. Even in the prem, there was always the feeling that time might catch up with us at some point if we weren't careful as it happened to other clubs that I would class as similar to us - WBA, Birmingham, Bolton spent a long time defying the odds but it caught up with them. However, I genuinely thought with the right recruitment of players and managers and a strategic plan, the club could come back up within 1-2 years.
This current demise feels different and far more frustrating. We haven't learned any lessons from previous mistakes and keep making them, we have no vision or identity as a club, it feels like the people at the top don't know how to change things - we are in a massive Catch 22 as we need the Coates' money but don't need their way of "leadership". For the first time in 34 years of having a ST, I genuinely don't feel part of the SCFC family anymore.
My sole reason for going now is the craic with my mates and the days outs but even amongst our group, there are a couple of mates that are starting to drift away and lose faith and I can't argue the toss with them about this as I understand. I have even missed a couple of night games recently because it was too much hassle by the time I got in from work. I would never have thought that, even 2 seasons ago. Going to games such as Blackburn or Preston away was also a given in recent times but I will do neither as I can't justify the cost now.
I will no doubt renew again because it is a social event for me but even typing those words makes me feel that I am a mug. The old me would have seen the positives about going to new grounds like Carlisle next season but I feel a sense of dread about it all now. My son and daughter have had the bug but now seem so distanced from it all that our family of ST's will go from 3 to 1 next year. Sad sad times.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 20, 2024 13:42:56 GMT
Any young new Stokie just starting on his/her journey supporting Stoke City,must be wondering what the hell am I doing,there must be something else I can do,that doesn't make me feel depressed every week. Most life long supporters,will keep at it,its too ingrained in our blood,but the younger ones are the future of the club,which they may lose,& end up playing in a half empty stadium. This is a very salient point. We do not have a massive catchment area as a club. We're not a Sunderland who can go through all manner of rubbish but still basically be one of the three clubs in the surrounding 50 miles. We are within reach of big clubs nearly in every direction, drive 90 minutes north you're in Liverpool and Manchester. 90 minutes south you're looking at Villa or Wolverhampton. 90 minutes east you're looking at Forest and Leicester. If the club don't bring in young fans then they seep away to these clubs and you're never getting them back. One of the most pleasing things about 2008 was seeing Stoke shirts nearly everywhere, it revitalised an entire generation to support Stoke.
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Post by dobber on Feb 20, 2024 13:44:39 GMT
Can fully understand the OP and all the sentiments on here. And I'm not going to preach, as I hate it when supporters tell supporters how to support. Everyone does so differently. I've done 50 years, 1250+ games and 72 grounds watching Stoke and bloody loved it. Some of our darkest days were also some of my most enjoyable - and that was because the game was often the bit that got in the way of a good time. I have never taken to the Britannia Stadium, and dad hated it. That's at the heart of it for me, as every game felt like an away da, but without the good bits. There is nowt worse than losing at home, as the day itself and the logistics for me were always crap. Recent circumstances have seen me going more and more to my localish non-league tam, and i have now ended up working there. Why? Because I enjoy going there more, it's really that simple. And more importantly, my youngest lad does, too. Noone loves sport more than him, but going to Stoke became a chore - he was bored shitless. He'd train util 1pm at Clayton Wood, then we'd grab a McD's and go the game - he was shattered and the afternoon was simply a borefest, week after week. He'd get home at 5.45pm at best, totally knackered and totally bored. I felt like a bad parent tbh. I also feel a total disconnect with my club. I have felt like a customer or client for a number of years. And it's nowt to do with losing or relegation - I've seen far worse. No, I just feel like I have little relationship with the football club and only important when they want something. Compare and contrast to non-league : every single time I go through the turnstiles at Leek, I feel like a mate and I feel like I'm part of a community. That's my job now - to grow that to more and more people. Of course, winning football helps - but it goes beyond that. To get a true connection you need to understand why people go to football, the local area and community, and make people feel wanted. It's cheaper, I can have a beer on a terrace, I have a laugh with mates, I see tons of time-served Stokies there, my lad loves it, the food is ace and cheaper, the cost is miles less, and I can be home for 5.05pm. That's massive - instead of 1-6pm (and being out of the house 8.30am-6pm), it's now 2.30-5.05pm. That's a big difference to a weekend. But most importantly, my lad loves it and I feel like it's how football used to be. The players give it their all, the football is good quality, and at the end of a game where 22 lads have played for the badge on the front of the shirt, they all have a meal and beer in the bar with the fans - how can that NOT build a sense of community? It's totally rekindled my love of football - unfortunately, at the expense of SCFC. Yes, I still watch matches on telly etc, but I've been in the ground three times this season, as I now go away with Leek which is a brilliant afternoon. Off the pitch, Simson King and An Emmerson are doing a fine job, but I feel zero connection with those who put the shirt on, nor those who manage and recruit them. I've had my fun - been selfish going all 0ver the country whilst wife and kids were at home. That has stopped now - when I go to football, I need those people to0 see that I've bloody enjoyed it. I'm fed up of Stoke making me angry, sad, bitter etc......I have vowed to spend my later years enjoying football more rather than letting football control my every mood, emotion and making us skint. I'm not telling folk to stop going - far from it. SCFC needs you. But please don't think there aren't alternatives. The club's hierarchy needs to understand that and start leading accordingly. That doesn't mean free buses, it mans truly understanding the connection between fan and club. A great and totally relatable post Ant. I can see your love for football coming back via the various other socials you post on and it's brilliant to see. I've been really debating what to do next season as well - 40 years following Stoke...around 30 as a season ticket holder, countless matches and memories, and many friends made through the successes of Stoke (and even more made through challenging times - SOS anyone?). I've experienced every emotion from pure passion (the video before the match always brings a tear to my eye) to anger to pride to apathy, and have made life decisions to ensure I live close to the club I love (I'm now in Derby, so not too far). However, maybe it's time to not say goodbye but have a long distance relationship. My Dad has dementia so his days have gone, my eldest has moved away, and my other 2 often have better things to do. It's no fun spending 5 hours on your own watching your club not just stagnate but go backwards. A few years ago I wrote a piece called 'Life, death and the bit in-between' about Stoke being the only thing that would be constant in my life, from the day I was born to the day I die. They'll still be there, but maybe more in the background - and that makes me incredibly sad.
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Post by brutus on Feb 20, 2024 13:48:01 GMT
Zzzzz see yer saturday
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Post by pushon on Feb 20, 2024 13:48:36 GMT
What else are you gonna do on a Saturday? Sit in your fuckin' armchair wankin' off to Pop Idols? Then try and avoid your wife's gaze as you struggle to come to terms with your sexless marriage? Then go and spunk your wages on kebabs, fruit machines and brasses? Fuck that for a laugh! I know what I'd rather do. Go fishing... You are a man of great wisdom 🥸
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Post by satoshi on Feb 20, 2024 13:54:37 GMT
Imagine buying your lad a stoke strip for Christmas or his birthday. And imagine him only ever knowing them being this shit. Say he’s 8 or 9. He will hate you forever.
This is a generational problem and Stoke fans will soon be a thing of the past.
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Post by stoke1989 on Feb 20, 2024 13:56:09 GMT
What else are you gonna do on a Saturday? Sit in your fuckin' armchair wankin' off to Pop Idols? Then try and avoid your wife's gaze as you struggle to come to terms with your sexless marriage? Then go and spunk your wages on kebabs, fruit machines and brasses? Fuck that for a laugh! I know what I'd rather do. congratulations you can copy and paste a quote from the football factory Thank you. It was either that or tell him f off down the Vale.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 20, 2024 14:02:08 GMT
The big difference for me? We now have money, tons of it. That exacerbates both how crap we are and how crap we are being led. And that makes it worse for me at my age. When we didn't have a pot to piss in, neither did 85 other teams. Yet in 2024, 85 other teams would kill for our riches.
Money has ruined football, and that has filtered down to us. The more money in football, the less enjoyable it gets.
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Post by bertiestan on Feb 20, 2024 14:06:28 GMT
What else are you gonna do on a Saturday? Sit in your fuckin' armchair wankin' off to Pop Idols? Then try and avoid your wife's gaze as you struggle to come to terms with your sexless marriage? Then go and spunk your wages on kebabs, fruit machines and brasses? Fuck that for a laugh! I know what I'd rather do. Sounds like you live a joyful life Fell asleep watching football factory🙄🔴⚪️
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 20, 2024 14:06:29 GMT
The weekly look at me thread🙄 You’re a fan it’s for life,thick and thin and thin and thin and thinner
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Post by dobber on Feb 20, 2024 14:06:42 GMT
The big difference for me? We now have money, tons of it. That exacerbates both how crap we are and how crap we are being led. And that makes it worse for me at my age. When we didn't have a pot to piss in, neither did 85 other teams. Yet in 2024, 85 other teams would kill for our riches. Money has ruined football, and that has filtered down to us. The more money in football, the less enjoyable it gets. Nail on the head. Back in the late 80s and early 90s we simply accepted that we couldn't compete due to money (I still remember being incredibly excited we signed Ian Cranson for a club record £450k). Now that's just not the case - the obvious excuse isn't there and there's no reason other than chronic mismanagement that has put us where we are. I'm not expecting us to be winning everything in sight, but I do expect us to be strongly competitive.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 20, 2024 14:08:48 GMT
What else are you gonna do on a Saturday? Sit in your fuckin' armchair wankin' off to Pop Idols? Then try and avoid your wife's gaze as you struggle to come to terms with your sexless marriage? Then go and spunk your wages on kebabs, fruit machines and brasses? Fuck that for a laugh! I know what I'd rather do. Sounds great!
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Post by dobber on Feb 20, 2024 14:11:16 GMT
The weekly look at me thread🙄 You’re a fan it’s for life,thick and thin and thin and thin and thinner No one said we're not....things change though, levels of support alter, and the balance of importance can shift. It's a good conversation to have as it's a very good measure of where we are as a club - belittling it is a bit rubbish.
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Post by Kingswaystokie on Feb 20, 2024 14:12:50 GMT
I'll never Stoke City up, I can't. My wife and I have lived in Portugal now for the last 7 years, we watch all games on the telly live home and away,it's caused arguments when watching as I just cannot accept current players obviously having no feeling for the club, I swear like a trooper when watching and the Mrs, quite rightly gets annoyed with how I react. I can't bloody help it, my first game was in 1955 at the Vic with Mum and Dad, this club is in my blood, I wish the players showed as much passion as I do, they just don't understand what our club means to people. We still have our season tickets, getting over when we can and we will renew next season irrespective of what league we are in. I live in hope of one day getting back to what it was like during the first 2 seasons in Premier League, also like games when Waddo put together some amazing teams and times when Lou was in charge. It will have to happen fairly soon as Im 74 now and fighting prostate & bowel cancer but I live in hope.
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Post by brutus on Feb 20, 2024 14:13:03 GMT
The weekly look at me thread🙄 You’re a fan it’s for life,thick and thin and thin and thin and thinner This is the minority, our home crowds are decent and our away followings are excellent despite how fucking shite we are
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 20, 2024 14:15:32 GMT
I don’t mind watching a game and feeling frustrated after. I do mind the feeling of apathy I had under AN. Time will soon tell if it rears its head again under S.S.
I don’t think the constant player turnover helps either. Some players do stuff in the community and as that begins to get recognized, they are off to another team because a new manager wants to play an entirely different way.
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Post by stubbo1 on Feb 20, 2024 14:18:29 GMT
I’m done too. For my sanity. 56 years. It’s been a blast. Thanks for the memories.
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Post by stokief on Feb 20, 2024 14:19:15 GMT
The weekly look at me thread🙄 You’re a fan it’s for life,thick and thin and thin and thin and thinner Not quite as simple as that I'm afraid. This all feels very different this time. It doesn't seem to matter what we do, we can't get the DNA right. Ok, back in the day, the Manager did most things including identifying players, finding out about their temperments. Would they gel on and off pitch as a team? Did you have the right mix of grit, flair,strength etc. Now it's like picking a fantasy league team without really knowing what ethos and personality players have. Some random blokes are getting paid a small fortune to check out players on their ipads. maybe it's an age thing too. The older you get the more cynical? I'll always be a Stoke City supporter BUT I can do without the abject disappointment of the demise. There have been some good posts on this thread which show how 'hurt' people can be by their falling out of love with football and their Club. There's not a lot of point in telling people that they're wrong and you're right. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. What I will add is aren't loads of things in life like this now? Corporate disconnect with the 'customer'. not in touch with the 'real' world? Tough luck if you don't like it?
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Post by anchorman on Feb 20, 2024 14:19:57 GMT
Giving up SCFC, that’s how they have made me feel, we are now into 7 1/2 years of decline, in that 7 1/2 years I can think of maybe half a dozen matches that have made me genuinely believe we are onto something, only for that optimism to be smashed to pieces - again. Like most I have called for managers heads, called for the CEO’s head, more managers heads, and now the DOFs head, but it just feels we are going in ever decreasing circles as the gravity crocodile drags us down the plug hole. I wonder what a genuine sporting excellence consultant would make of all of our processes, procedures, policies, staff, resource level, facilities etc - a David Braillsford type, I suspect we know, which makes it all the more galling, watching a billionaire bang his head into the same wall time and time again. It really does make you question your sanity of rocking up on a Saturday knowing you are going to be made bloody miserable, if it was a normal relationship you would have bowed out long since! Well clearly like many others I am reaching that point that I can’t just keep putting myself through it, I will use my season ticket, if a glimmer of hope arises, I will not be re-newing it, instead will take a little break, maybe watch Tamworth or Litchfield so I can get my footie fix without ruining every Saturday, I will obviously keep an eye on what’s going on, you can’t help it after 50 years, but I need to soften the impact until they deserve that we return in numbers. Obviously. Supporter?
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Post by anchorman on Feb 20, 2024 14:21:10 GMT
In answer to your question...Supporter? Obviously Milkie is a supporter.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 20, 2024 14:22:15 GMT
In answer to your question...Supporter? Obviously Milkie is a supporter. How could they not be after going for 50 years?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 20, 2024 14:25:18 GMT
The weekly look at me thread🙄 You’re a fan it’s for life,thick and thin and thin and thin and thinner Not quite as simple as that I'm afraid. This all feels very different this time. It doesn't seem to matter what we do, we can't get the DNA right. Ok, back in the day, the Manager did most things including identifying players, finding out about their temperments. Would they gel on and off pitch as a team? Did you have the right mix of grit, flair,strength etc. Now it's like picking a fantasy league team without really knowing what ethos and personality players have. Some random blokes are getting paid a small fortune to check out players on their ipads. maybe it's an age thing too. The older you get the more cynical? I'll always be a Stoke City supporter BUT I can do without the abject disappointment of the demise. There have been some good posts on this thread which show how 'hurt' people can be by their falling out of love with football and their team. There's not a lot of point in telling people that they're wrong and you're right. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. This has never happened before then in the last 40/50 years🤔Go and tell the Zigger’s,The Paul Ruane’s of this world not to go and see what response you’d get.Its in blood of the supporters that go every week and infact it’s their life full stop. I’m as pissed off as the next fan but giving up is not an option
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Post by Milkie on Feb 20, 2024 14:35:14 GMT
Not quite as simple as that I'm afraid. This all feels very different this time. It doesn't seem to matter what we do, we can't get the DNA right. Ok, back in the day, the Manager did most things including identifying players, finding out about their temperments. Would they gel on and off pitch as a team? Did you have the right mix of grit, flair,strength etc. Now it's like picking a fantasy league team without really knowing what ethos and personality players have. Some random blokes are getting paid a small fortune to check out players on their ipads. maybe it's an age thing too. The older you get the more cynical? I'll always be a Stoke City supporter BUT I can do without the abject disappointment of the demise. There have been some good posts on this thread which show how 'hurt' people can be by their falling out of love with football and their team. There's not a lot of point in telling people that they're wrong and you're right. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. This has never happened before then in the last 40/50 years🤔Going and tell the Zigger’s,The Paul Ruane’s of this world not to go and see what response you’d get.Its in blood of the supporters that go every week and infact it’s their life full stop. I’m as pissed off as the next fan but giving up is not an option No it hasn’t happened before, we have never had Billionaire owners, making the same simple mistake, owners and mistakes a plenty, but this is beyond anything I have lived through. As for giving up, that was never mentioned explicitly , it’s just how I feel, and clearly from the responses many are having the same feelings. For those that power through come what may, I applaud there attitude, and for the last 50 years, I have been there with them, but my current feeling is I need a little break, hopefully we will be welcomed back on our return.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 20, 2024 14:36:35 GMT
PC needs to read this thread,he may get how Stoke fans are feeling at this moment in time.
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