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Post by mickstupp on Feb 19, 2024 20:28:16 GMT
I think perhaps it is, certainly in the modern era. If we go down this season I’d say it must be. Even if we stay up, this will be the eighth successive season when we’ve finished in the bottom half of the league we are playing in. Has it ever been this bad before? It doesn’t feel like it to me…..
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Post by stokeranger on Feb 19, 2024 20:33:10 GMT
I think perhaps it is, certainly in the modern era. If we go down this season I’d say it must be. Even if we stay up, this will be the eighth successive season when we’ve finished in the bottom half of the league we are playing in. Has it ever been this bad before? It doesn’t feel like it to me….. I take it, you did not watch Stoke in the late 80s and 90s. |
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Post by milton58 on Feb 19, 2024 20:34:39 GMT
I think perhaps it is, certainly in the modern era. If we go down this season I’d say it must be. Even if we stay up, this will be the eighth successive season when we’ve finished in the bottom half of the league we are playing in. Has it ever been this bad before? It doesn’t feel like it to me….. you must be a young pup |
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 19, 2024 20:34:46 GMT
I think perhaps it is, certainly in the modern era. If we go down this season I’d say it must be. Even if we stay up, this will be the eighth successive season when we’ve finished in the bottom half of the league we are playing in. Has it ever been this bad before? It doesn’t feel like it to me….. I take it, you did not watch Stoke in the late 80s and 90s. Of course I did. I’ve been going home and away for 40 years 👍 |
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 19, 2024 20:35:21 GMT
I think perhaps it is, certainly in the modern era. If we go down this season I’d say it must be. Even if we stay up, this will be the eighth successive season when we’ve finished in the bottom half of the league we are playing in. Has it ever been this bad before? It doesn’t feel like it to me….. I take it, you did not watch Stoke in the late 80s and 90s. During those times though, there were no more than a couple of consecutive seasons that were bad. This has been 4 years of mostly absolute shite. |
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 19, 2024 20:35:25 GMT
I think perhaps it is, certainly in the modern era. If we go down this season I’d say it must be. Even if we stay up, this will be the eighth successive season when we’ve finished in the bottom half of the league we are playing in. Has it ever been this bad before? It doesn’t feel like it to me….. you must be a young pup Sadly not. |
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Post by milton58 on Feb 19, 2024 20:35:41 GMT
I think perhaps it is, certainly in the modern era. If we go down this season I’d say it must be. Even if we stay up, this will be the eighth successive season when we’ve finished in the bottom half of the league we are playing in. Has it ever been this bad before? It doesn’t feel like it to me….. I take it, you did not watch Stoke in the late 80s and 90s. so the macari years were shit then .. |
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 19, 2024 20:36:41 GMT
I take it, you did not watch Stoke in the late 80s and 90s. During those times though, there were no more than a couple of consecutive seasons that were bad. This has been 4 years of mostly absolute shite. That’s what I’m getting at. Even the 80’s had some good stuff interspersed with shite. The 90’s started badly and ended badly but we had the Macari era inbetween. |
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Post by stiggerstackle on Feb 19, 2024 20:36:54 GMT
I think perhaps it is, certainly in the modern era. If we go down this season I’d say it must be. Even if we stay up, this will be the eighth successive season when we’ve finished in the bottom half of the league we are playing in. Has it ever been this bad before? It doesn’t feel like it to me….. I take it, you did not watch Stoke in the late 80s and 90s. I did, and it didn’t feel this bad. Maybe because we can all see the club continually shooting itself in the foot since relegation from the Prem it feels worse. We have rich owners, we have so much potential. That’s why it feels so utterly abject now. |
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 19, 2024 20:38:25 GMT
Not quite, but we're getting there. As a rolling average of league positions the last six years is approaching our worst ever periods (which, needless to say, were all overseen by the current incumbents).
To do it when they didn't have a pot to piss in is one thing, to manage to achieve it now that they're gazillionaires is quite something
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Post by theoptimist on Feb 19, 2024 20:38:56 GMT
Must be close. Especially considering we've entered this period starting as a Premier League club with one of the richest owners in the land. Thourougly despressing.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 19, 2024 20:40:33 GMT
Not quite, but we're getting there. As a rolling average of league positions the last six years is approaching our worst ever periods (which, needless to say, were all overseen by the current incumbents). To do it when they didn't have a pot to piss in is one thing, to manage to achieve it now that they're gazillionaires is quite something Yes, exactly. If you’ve looked at the numbers, what is our worst ever period? I’m guessing 85-91 ish? |
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Post by satoshi on Feb 19, 2024 20:43:29 GMT
I take it, you did not watch Stoke in the late 80s and 90s. so the macari years were shit then .. Third division. Get used to it. |
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Post by Davef on Feb 19, 2024 20:44:23 GMT
I think perhaps it is, certainly in the modern era. If we go down this season I’d say it must be. Even if we stay up, this will be the eighth successive season when we’ve finished in the bottom half of the league we are playing in. Has it ever been this bad before? It doesn’t feel like it to me….. I take it, you did not watch Stoke in the late 80s and 90s. We didn't spend tens of millions of pounds to assemble the squads of the late 80s and 90s and the owners weren't billionaires back then. How can people not understand this? |
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 19, 2024 20:44:30 GMT
so the macari years were shit then .. Third division. Get used to it. Some of it was, but he nearly got us into the Premier League in 95/96. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 19, 2024 20:45:04 GMT
It feels worse because it’s so soulless
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 19, 2024 20:45:18 GMT
I'd say the current squad we have is the worst I've seen other than the Alan Ball 90/91 team, the 97/98 relegation team and Brian Little's 98/99 side.
Having said that, when I think about some of the players who were in those squads, they're head and shoulders above most of the current lot.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Feb 19, 2024 20:45:27 GMT
so the macari years were shit then .. Third division. Get used to it. Hands down the most enjoyable season of football I’ve ever witnessed - regardless of the division. The Macari years were special. |
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 19, 2024 20:48:47 GMT
Third division. Get used to it. Hands down the most enjoyable season of football I’ve ever witnessed - regardless of the division. The Macari years were special. If he’d have stayed with Stein we would have gone straight up again I’m sure of it. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 19, 2024 20:50:04 GMT
Yes it is Absolutely no question Anyone who cites the Alan Ball era forgets where we we were money wise When we were shit there were reasons you could hang on go Now there are none
Right now is absolutely beyond shocking and given the clubs financial backing beyond inexcusable. What an absolute mess this club has become
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 19, 2024 20:50:53 GMT
Pound for pound - absolutely without question.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 19, 2024 20:52:30 GMT
It’s going to get much worse yet…
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Post by Fred Merger on Feb 19, 2024 20:53:33 GMT
I can remember going to Oldham away in Mills era and losing 5-1 on the plastic pitch. It was Grand national day I think and most of the Stokie's were listening to the horse racing instead. Think Andy Ritchie and Roger Palmer got Oldham's goals
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Post by Marc01 on Feb 19, 2024 20:56:12 GMT
I take it, you did not watch Stoke in the late 80s and 90s. During those times though, there were no more than a couple of consecutive seasons that were bad. This has been 4 years of mostly absolute shite. To limit it to 4 years is very generous! Double it! Buy one… Get one free…. Early 2016 for me… right after the purple patch. It’s like punishment for that. This is from 15 months ago: |
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Post by pieofpeter on Feb 19, 2024 20:57:18 GMT
My first season was 1997 so no its not in the modern era.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 19, 2024 20:58:11 GMT
I can remember going to Oldham away in Mills era and losing 5-1 on the plastic pitch. It was Grand national day I think and most of the Stokie's were listening to the horse racing instead. Think Andy Ritchie and Roger Palmer got Oldham's goals That was a shitter, but we finished 11th that season and 8th the year before which feels like utopia compared to now. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 19, 2024 21:01:30 GMT
Was thinking about this the other day.
At least in the Division 2 years we were regularly playoff contenders. It was fun to watch us win at home sometimes.
Hovering down at the lower end of the table with a shit home record year after year is just miserable.
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Post by Fred Merger on Feb 19, 2024 21:02:45 GMT
I can remember going to Oldham away in Mills era and losing 5-1 on the plastic pitch. It was Grand national day I think and most of the Stokie's were listening to the horse racing instead. Think Andy Ritchie and Roger Palmer got Oldham's goals That was a shitter, but we finished 11th that season and 8th the year before which feels like utopia compared to now. When you think that Mills was sacked for finishing around 10th to 12th it makes you feel a little nostalgic doesn't it? |
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 19, 2024 21:03:14 GMT
Not quite, but we're getting there. As a rolling average of league positions the last six years is approaching our worst ever periods (which, needless to say, were all overseen by the current incumbents). To do it when they didn't have a pot to piss in is one thing, to manage to achieve it now that they're gazillionaires is quite something Yes, exactly. If you’ve looked at the numbers, what is our worst ever period? I’m guessing 85-91 ish? I’ve done five-year averages since the war. The period ending 1991 is only our 11th-worst (of 73). 89-93 was our third-worst, which is funny to think given how enjoyable 92 and 93 were. The worst was 98-2002 - with an average overall league position of 49th. We’re currently on a five-year average of 35th position in the leagues (15th worst of 73) |
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Post by lordb on Feb 19, 2024 21:05:06 GMT
I think perhaps it is, certainly in the modern era. If we go down this season I’d say it must be. Even if we stay up, this will be the eighth successive season when we’ve finished in the bottom half of the league we are playing in. Has it ever been this bad before? It doesn’t feel like it to me….. Absolutely no where near We've sunk to far lower depths It is however the longest dullest shitest period have experienced, relentless dullness understand the spell in division 2 in the 50's was dull The difference now is we have had millions |
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