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Post by dirtclod on Feb 14, 2024 12:45:08 GMT
Burger, Baker and Cundlestick Maker. Bae Bae now.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 14, 2024 12:46:34 GMT
Any insight to why he's been dropped - injury niggles? Given his displays recently, he looked like he'd won over the manager and a few fans. weird.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 14, 2024 12:59:54 GMT
Doesn't press or work hard enough for the way the manager plays. Neither does anyone else. Every midfield combination we’ve used since Sunderland has been pathetic. Second to every 50-50, unable to create chances, leaving gaping holes all around the pitch. Pathetic.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Feb 14, 2024 13:02:43 GMT
If the only thing he’s good at is scoring, that’s one more thing than Cundle.
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Post by stokief on Feb 14, 2024 14:12:02 GMT
he is a bit of an enigma. Gets injured/disappears off the scene, comes back into team all smiles, scores a cracker of a free kick then disappears into the ether again. Maybe he's a genie that keeps being put back in the bottle !
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 14, 2024 14:17:00 GMT
Hows he a scapegoat? He’s not playing so what getting blamed for? Exactly he’s not playing but people say he disappears in a game. Half of the team disappears If a striker scores a goal and nothing else he gets mom That's not a scapegoat, that's people pointing out deficiencies in his game, they aren't the same thing.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 14, 2024 14:38:14 GMT
Although goals is a big part, obviously, there's nothing else to his game and given how bad we are atm we can't really carry someone incase we get a free kick. Bae offers nothing, Cundle offers nothing, neither do Thompson, Pearson, Johnson and Laurent. At least Baker’s nothing comes with the chance of a goal. On Saturday, we had about 6 passages of play where we were on the ball around the box and instead just tried to pass it out wide to wingers that can’t beat their man. Then we brought Baker on and had him play next to our centre back 😂 Burger-Bae-Baker is as close to a good balance in our midfield as we can get. Dropping Baker and trying to play Cundle has coincided with our awful run of performances. Cundle also came in when we changed things in how we play, I think he offer more than Baker does imo. Thompson and Pearson isn't really a very good comparison as they're meant to be more defensive, their positioning is better for example but then I wouldn't expect Baker to be good at that. Johnson and Laurent I agree with but I wouldn't be playing them either, just because they're crap doesn't mean another crap player should play in their place.
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Post by pez75 on Feb 14, 2024 14:42:38 GMT
Its not hard to fathom, despite a decent shot on him Baker is a 3 touch slow it down player - the antithesis of what SS is looking for. Cundle is a one-touch pass and move player who has been parchuted into a team of mostly cack and its taking a while to click. Cundle Bae and Burger are SS's core but while our defence continue to be shite and results go against us its hard to get the others to fit, when we are desperate to take some pressure off.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 14, 2024 14:54:13 GMT
Bae offers nothing, Cundle offers nothing, neither do Thompson, Pearson, Johnson and Laurent. At least Baker’s nothing comes with the chance of a goal. On Saturday, we had about 6 passages of play where we were on the ball around the box and instead just tried to pass it out wide to wingers that can’t beat their man. Then we brought Baker on and had him play next to our centre back 😂 Burger-Bae-Baker is as close to a good balance in our midfield as we can get. Dropping Baker and trying to play Cundle has coincided with our awful run of performances. Cundle also came in when we changed things in how we play, I think he offer more than Baker does imo. Thompson and Pearson isn't really a very good comparison as they're meant to be more defensive, their positioning is better for example but then I wouldn't expect Baker to be good at that. Johnson and Laurent I agree with but I wouldn't be playing them either, just because they're crap doesn't mean another crap player should play in their place. It does if that crap player can score goals in a team that can’t score goals. Just having him as an option creates a sense of urgency in the opposition closing him down, which creates space as they know he’s likely to shoot. Cundle has been crap. He’s a wonderful example of the modern midfielder. He receives the ball, makes an easy 5 yard pass to a player who is being marked, then he runs behind that exact defender and questions why the ball hasn’t been played to him. Obviously, he ignores the fact that the receiving player isn’t Pirlo and can’t pass through players as if they weren’t there. Then, invariably the ball gets taken away and there is a Cundle-sized hole in midfield for the opposition to break away into. This happens pretty much every time he is on the ball.
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 14, 2024 14:54:37 GMT
Exactly he’s not playing but people say he disappears in a game. Half of the team disappears If a striker scores a goal and nothing else he gets mom That's not a scapegoat, that's people pointing out deficiencies in his game, they aren't the same thing. I’m sure in the past you have said I’ve had ‘a agenda’ when I’ve pulled a player’s deficiencies as you say 🤔
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 14, 2024 14:55:57 GMT
Cundle also came in when we changed things in how we play, I think he offer more than Baker does imo. Thompson and Pearson isn't really a very good comparison as they're meant to be more defensive, their positioning is better for example but then I wouldn't expect Baker to be good at that. Johnson and Laurent I agree with but I wouldn't be playing them either, just because they're crap doesn't mean another crap player should play in their place. It does if that crap player can score goals in a team that can’t score goals. Just having him as an option creates a sense of urgency in the opposition closing him down, which creates space as they know he’s likely to shoot. Cundle has been crap. He’s a wonderful example of the modern midfielder. He receives the ball, makes an easy 5 yard pass to a player who is being marked, then he runs behind that exact defender and questions why the ball hasn’t been played to him. Obviously, he ignores the fact that the receiving player isn’t Pirlo and can’t pass through players as if they weren’t there. Then, invariably the ball gets taken away and there is a Cundle-sized hole in midfield for the opposition to break away into. This happens pretty much every time he is on the ball. Better having a crap player who can score goals than a crap player that can’t.
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 14, 2024 14:58:02 GMT
Bae offers nothing, Cundle offers nothing, neither do Thompson, Pearson, Johnson and Laurent. At least Baker’s nothing comes with the chance of a goal. On Saturday, we had about 6 passages of play where we were on the ball around the box and instead just tried to pass it out wide to wingers that can’t beat their man. Then we brought Baker on and had him play next to our centre back 😂 Burger-Bae-Baker is as close to a good balance in our midfield as we can get. Dropping Baker and trying to play Cundle has coincided with our awful run of performances. Cundle also came in when we changed things in how we play, I think he offer more than Baker does imo. Thompson and Pearson isn't really a very good comparison as they're meant to be more defensive, their positioning is better for example but then I wouldn't expect Baker to be good at that. Johnson and Laurent I agree with but I wouldn't be playing them either, just because they're crap doesn't mean another crap player should play in their place. All cundle offers imo is he’s neat and tidy without a cutting edge. If you like he plays safe
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Feb 14, 2024 15:13:36 GMT
Doesn't press or work hard enough for the way the manager plays. Neither does anyone else. Every midfield combination we’ve used since Sunderland has been pathetic. Second to every 50-50, unable to create chances, leaving gaping holes all around the pitch. Pathetic. It's hard to develop any midfield combination when he only plays 1 genuine midfielder in burger. I would call bae, cundle, DJ midfield/attackers playing behind a main central striker. How SS thinks burger can hold the midfield together on his own is beyond me
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Feb 14, 2024 15:31:15 GMT
Pearson needs to come back in with Burger just ahead of him and then who knows...do we play Bae or Cundle as a 10? Do we play Laurent to offer a bit more of a physical presence? Buggered if I know.
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Post by march4 on Feb 14, 2024 15:37:28 GMT
We had looked more solid defensively until Baker came back and then the midfield became an increasingly comfortable footpath for opposition players to stroll along.
Wilmot comes back next and any pretence of a solid defence disappears completely.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 14, 2024 15:57:05 GMT
Its not hard to fathom, despite a decent shot on him Baker is a 3 touch slow it down player - the antithesis of what SS is looking for. Cundle is a one-touch pass and move player who has been parchuted into a team of mostly cack and its taking a while to click. Cundle Bae and Burger are SS's core but while our defence continue to be shite and results go against us its hard to get the others to fit, when we are desperate to take some pressure off. The defence didn't lose us the game on Saturday, the managers kamikaze tactics did..............
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 14, 2024 15:58:32 GMT
We had looked more solid defensively until Baker came back and then the midfield became an increasingly comfortable footpath for opposition players to stroll along. Wilmot comes back next and any pretence of a solid defence disappears completely. Funny that considering Baker's first 2 starts were 0-0 v Ipswich and 1-0 v Rotherham..........
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 14, 2024 16:19:21 GMT
The problem is if he’s not scoring he’s a passenger and it’s not like we’ve got enough bottle and fight elsewhere in the team to make up for his shortcomings. Any combination of Burger, Cundle, Bae, Baker as the midfield three hasn’t really been effective because of the lightweight nature of the latter three and it’s been part of the reason the shite CB’s have been more exposed than they should be and we’ve been leaking goals. Laurent obviously has his own shortcomings but he does offer more physicality and can impose himself on the game in terms of winning the ball back more than any of Bae, Baker or Cundle. (If he's not scoring he's a passenger) that can be said for all the Stoke players. Yeah it’s a big reason we’ve been so awful.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 14, 2024 16:59:34 GMT
Baker the scapegoat again He got us all 3 points the last time we won. We aren’t scoring enough so why not play someone who can score. What scapegoat? They are all shit.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 14, 2024 17:23:43 GMT
That's not a scapegoat, that's people pointing out deficiencies in his game, they aren't the same thing. I’m sure in the past you have said I’ve had ‘a agenda’ when I’ve pulled a player’s deficiencies as you say 🤔 Nope, I'm always moaning bullshit about the word agenda 😂
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Post by lordb on Feb 14, 2024 17:46:39 GMT
If the only thing he’s good at is scoring, that’s one more thing than Cundle. Cundle scoring record is good too
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 14, 2024 17:57:39 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 15, 2024 0:59:36 GMT
For someone who has all sorts of weird shit labelled at him he certainly played and acted like a man that gives a massive of shits tonight.
Hands down one of the keys to us getting out of this mess. Why he was ever dropped is anyone’s guess. Mental.
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Post by stokiedan17 on Feb 15, 2024 1:09:18 GMT
For someone who has all sorts of weird shit labelled at him he certainly played and acted like a man that gives a massive of shits tonight. Hands down one of the keys to us getting out of this mess. Why he was ever dropped is anyone’s guess. Mental. Absolutely agree. They mentioned something on the radio about managing his game time as when they first came in he was just coming back from injury and played alot of minutes. So if it’s just a case of making sure he can stay fit then hopefully it means we see more of him
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 15, 2024 1:48:16 GMT
Was best player on pitch tonight. Clearly up for it, which isn’t always the case.
He needs to play like that every game.
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 15, 2024 2:04:03 GMT
For someone who has all sorts of weird shit labelled at him he certainly played and acted like a man that gives a massive of shits tonight. Hands down one of the keys to us getting out of this mess. Why he was ever dropped is anyone’s guess. Mental. Couldn't watch today. How was his defensive contribution?
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Post by clarkeda on Feb 15, 2024 6:33:43 GMT
Few loose passes but thought he played really well.
Looked leaner and more mobile than he has in a while and was defensively solid.
Well done Lewis. Him and Burger have the making for a good partnership that carries a goal threat.
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Post by clarkeda on Feb 15, 2024 6:37:18 GMT
For someone who has all sorts of weird shit labelled at him he certainly played and acted like a man that gives a massive of shits tonight. Hands down one of the keys to us getting out of this mess. Why he was ever dropped is anyone’s guess. Mental. Couldn't watch today. How was his defensive contribution? He’s never going to be Kante winning tackles but he held shape well and put himself about
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Post by clivey05 on Feb 15, 2024 7:01:47 GMT
The last 2 games we have one were through his set pieces, which will be pretty important between now and the end of the season, as we don’t look like scoring too many from open play.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 15, 2024 7:20:48 GMT
The best system for Baker is 4-3-3 with him playing as a number 8 (one of the cms with a dm behind him). That way he has space to drive into and can get into positions to shoot from range.
Playing as one of the two DMs in last night's system doesn't really suit his natural game, but he did pretty well there. Pearson and Burger is the more obvious defensive pair.
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