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Post by anchorman on Feb 13, 2024 12:45:54 GMT
And there you have it…the wisdom of the man, seeking out advice and help from successful managers, shows strength and a willingness to learn. As I keep saying SS would benefit from at the very least a conversation with TP.
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Post by bingbang on Feb 13, 2024 12:48:06 GMT
I'd would love to ask him why he played a weakened team in Valencia, that was the beginning of the end for him in my eyes. I lost all respect for him after that.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 13, 2024 12:48:20 GMT
If it’s a choice re keeping the status quo, poor performances and possible relegation or some experienced support for SS and some structure to our squad I would always choose the latter
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Post by callas12 on Feb 13, 2024 12:48:31 GMT
Sick to death of this board banging on about Pulis hes gone and thats that please move on and stop being look back bores. Agree to a point regarding those wanting him back, he's part of our past, not our future. But TP's on live sport radio right now and has mentioned Stoke on a few occasions aswell as ex players so it is current & relevant enough to being discussed on a thread right now as it is. You say you're sick to death of this board banging on about Pulis, well the Clues in the post title. Don't click in to the Pulis on TalkSport thread if it annoys you that much! Quite simple really!
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Post by jeycov on Feb 13, 2024 12:48:36 GMT
Great comment re Wenger
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Post by stokief on Feb 13, 2024 12:51:03 GMT
Sick to death of this board banging on about Pulis hes gone and thats that please move on and stop being look back bores. I dont think anyone is meaning as manager but more as an old head, who's got plenty of knowledge of the Club, the area, the passion of the fans and is a good speaker whether some want to believe it or not! We're absolutely shot if we sack SS BUT he quite clearly needs mentoring in this situation which will decide the fate of this Club long run potentially. If I was him I'd willingly accept all the help I could get and yes, I do believe Tone used to get advice from managers such as Sir Alex. Have you never picked the brains of someone you knew has seen it, been there and done it? This is a critical point. The fans need a lift and a glimmer of hope and so does SS and bizarrely, the players.TP is the man who I truely believe can help in this situation and I'm fully prepared to have all the TP 'haters' having a pop at me but I tell yer what..I saw all of this coming and have said it on here probably too often I'm no Mystic Meg but I really do think that we could pull off the great escape if we take action such as this now..if we don't ,well, any other suggestions?? no, we're just going to get relegated in a more embarrassing manner than many probably even imagine!
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 13, 2024 12:51:32 GMT
I honestly believe SS would benefit enormously from TP coming in to help & guide him. As said it so many times, TP benefited from Gerry Francis, Peter Reid. It’s a sign of strength & leadership to listen to other people, particularly those with experience & wisdom. Just having people like Tone in the building would be a huge benefit. It's not just the manager that needs this support, clearly Jon needs it as do Ricky and Jared. Tone has probably forgot more than any person in our club knows. I would say Allardyce would be perfect but he's a little dodgy isn't he. Schumacher doesn't even need to have a great relationship or need their help but they are there if he did. It's the people in the background that need someone around them who has bags of experience in the game to bring some balance to what we are trying to do. It can't just be manager after manager failing for no other reason. Even the background staff have been changed but the same problems are still there. I don't believe Ricky and Jared are incompetent, I don't think our long list of managers in recent years were all bad. There's something missing that's not knitting it all together and it can only be the lack of football knowledge in the background.
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Post by callas12 on Feb 13, 2024 12:51:43 GMT
Wished he'd said a bit more about how Ramsey played the arsehole when Ryan apologised to him and fall out afterwards fuelled by Wenger.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 13, 2024 12:52:38 GMT
Sick to death of this board banging on about Pulis hes gone and thats that please move on and stop being look back bores. Don’t mean to be rude but the clamour for him is just being thick.
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Post by idle on Feb 13, 2024 12:53:55 GMT
Sick to death of this board banging on about Pulis hes gone and thats that please move on and stop being look back bores. I agree. I love the man to death, but why can't we just let him be the legend that he is? Why would we want to risk that? If he came here, nothing changed, and we parted on bad terms, that would have been heartbreaking. No, let TP sit up there with Waddo and Lou as the holy trinity of Stoke City managers. We need our legends more than we need some advice that SS may or may not heed. Schuey played under Moyes, right? (although as a kid). Let him ask him instead. Moyes would be a cracking DoF, but out of our league, MON is a better choice. Plus MON has the ultimate argument: "knows the club"! I don't think TP does anymore, too many years have passed.
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Post by stokief on Feb 13, 2024 13:00:24 GMT
Sick to death of this board banging on about Pulis hes gone and thats that please move on and stop being look back bores. Don’t mean to be rude but the clamour for him is just being thick. NOT as a Manager! WE're in an effing desperate juncture and he's the obvious choice for a mentoring role at a CLub where he has utmost respect for the family who own it, respect for the fans, was proud to be part of the community, getting involved with charity fundraising etc. He KNOWS this area and it's people. He's got a wealth of managerial experience and has dealt with all sorts of 'characters' in his time. We need somebody in the building who takes no sh!t and has been a massive part of our success, as brief in the scheme of things as it was. We can't sack another manager, he just wasn't ready for this sh!tshow on his own and heeds HELP and fast. No use bringing another 'new face' in. Sorry, if I'm thick in your eyes but I don't give a rat's ass. Come home TP !!
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 13, 2024 13:00:45 GMT
Could you imagine anything more condescending or patronising to Schumacher than bringing a retired former manager to advise him?
Honestly what planet do people live on? He’d walk out the door on the spot and rightly so.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 13, 2024 13:01:56 GMT
Don’t mean to be rude but the clamour for him is just being thick. NOT as a Manager! WE're in an effing desperate juncture and he's the obvious choice for a mentoring role at a CLub where he has utmost respect for the family who own it, respect for the fans, was proud to be part of the community, getting involved with charity fundraising etc. He KNOWS this area and it's people. He's got a wealth of managerial experience and has dealt with all sorts of 'characters' in his time. We need somebody in the building who takes no sh!t and has been a massive part of our success, as brief in the scheme of things as it was. We can't sack another manager, he just wasn't ready for this sh!tshow on his own and heeds HELP and fast. No use bringing another 'new face' in. Sorry, if I'm thick in your eyes but I don't give a rat's ass. Come home TP !! Delusional nonsense, I’m afraid. Wouldn’t and couldn’t happen in the real world for hundreds of reasons.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 13, 2024 13:03:24 GMT
Has everyone already forgotten that Schumacher has openly stated already he's leant on other managers for advice.
Southgate and Ange being two of them
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Post by stokief on Feb 13, 2024 13:04:54 GMT
Sick to death of this board banging on about Pulis hes gone and thats that please move on and stop being look back bores. I agree. I love the man to death, but why can't we just let him be the legend that he is? Why would we want to risk that? If he came here, nothing changed, and we parted on bad terms, that would have been heartbreaking. No, let TP sit up there with Waddo and Lou as the holy trinity of Stoke City managers. We need our legends more than we need some advice that SS may or may not heed. Schuey played under Moyes, right? (although as a kid). Let him ask him instead. Moyes would be a cracking DoF, but out of our league, MON is a better choice. Plus MON has the ultimate argument: "knows the club"! I don't think TP does anymore, too many years have passed. This is TP's spiritual football home I'm sure of it and you're right, what if he couldn't prevent relegation? Well, it certainly wouldn't tarnish his achievements in my eyes and as I keep saying, not coming in to replace SS but to mentor. I think his presence around the place would be an influence on its own frankly. Problem is, he probably doesn't want to return...however Tone, you know it makes sense!
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 13, 2024 13:05:27 GMT
Sick to death of this board banging on about Pulis hes gone and thats that please move on and stop being look back bores. Pulis is our saviour! 😉🤣 we'll win tomorrow and talk will turn back to worrying about SS getting poached!
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Post by rambo61 on Feb 13, 2024 13:05:35 GMT
Think the man himself has just put any rumours of any return to bed. Enjoy your retirement Mr Pulis!!
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Post by pushon on Feb 13, 2024 13:05:53 GMT
Sick to death of this board banging on about Pulis hes gone and thats that please move on and stop being look back bores. I dont think anyone is meaning as manager but more as an old head, who's got plenty of knowledge of the Club, the area, the passion of the fans and is a good speaker whether some want to believe it or not! We're absolutely shot if we sack SS BUT he quite clearly needs mentoring in this situation which will decide the fate of this Club long run potentially. If I was him I'd willingly accept all the help I could get and yes, I do believe Tone used to get advice from managers such as Sir Alex. Have you never picked the brains of someone you knew has seen it, been there and done it? This is a critical point. The fans need a lift and a glimmer of hope and so does SS and bizarrely, the players.TP is the man who I truely believe can help in this situation and I'm fully prepared to have all the TP 'haters' having a pop at me but I tell yer what..I saw all of this coming and have said it on here probably too often I'm no Mystic Meg but I really do think that we could pull off the great escape if we take action such as this now..if we don't ,well, any other suggestions?? no, we're just going to get relegated in a more embarrassing manner than many probably even imagine! I wonder how many times has TP been sacked or resigned before he got his then club relegated. I wouldn't put too much reliance on his input, that's for sure.
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Post by idle on Feb 13, 2024 13:07:04 GMT
I agree. I love the man to death, but why can't we just let him be the legend that he is? Why would we want to risk that? If he came here, nothing changed, and we parted on bad terms, that would have been heartbreaking. No, let TP sit up there with Waddo and Lou as the holy trinity of Stoke City managers. We need our legends more than we need some advice that SS may or may not heed. Schuey played under Moyes, right? (although as a kid). Let him ask him instead. Moyes would be a cracking DoF, but out of our league, MON is a better choice. Plus MON has the ultimate argument: "knows the club"! I don't think TP does anymore, too many years have passed. This is TP's spiritual football home I'm sure of it and you're right, what if he couldn't prevent relegation? Well, it certainly wouldn't tarnish his achievements in my eyes and as I keep saying, not coming in to replace SS but to mentor. I think his presence around the place would be an influence on its own frankly. Problem is, he probably doesn't want to return...however Tone, you know it makes sense! But if he left on bad terms (which is likely if we fail to stay up) it would cause another big rift among the fanbase. And that's not what we need if we go down.
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Post by GRUMPY 1 on Feb 13, 2024 13:07:12 GMT
Stokief...... Is it time to reopen the bar?
used to be dixoga (the jinx) now I'm just Grumpy
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Post by jeycov on Feb 13, 2024 13:08:48 GMT
Could you imagine anything more condescending or patronising to Schumacher than bringing a retired former manager to advise him? Honestly what planet do people live on? He’d walk out the door on the spot and rightly so. I don’t agree if it’s handled professionally Ok let him contact David Moyes / Sean Dyche for some advice in the background SS a massive Everton fan
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 13, 2024 13:09:20 GMT
Sick to death of this board banging on about Pulis hes gone and thats that please move on and stop being look back bores. I agree. I love the man to death, but why can't we just let him be the legend that he is? Why would we want to risk that? If he came here, nothing changed, and we parted on bad terms, that would have been heartbreaking. No, let TP sit up there with Waddo and Lou as the holy trinity of Stoke City managers. We need our legends more than we need some advice that SS may or may not heed. Schuey played under Moyes, right? (although as a kid). Let him ask him instead. Moyes would be a cracking DoF, but out of our league, MON is a better choice. Plus MON has the ultimate argument: "knows the club"! I don't think TP does anymore, too many years have passed. Bring back Lou and Pulis as joint managers 😄
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Post by stokief on Feb 13, 2024 13:10:23 GMT
Could you imagine anything more condescending or patronising to Schumacher than bringing a retired former manager to advise him? Honestly what planet do people live on? He’d walk out the door on the spot and rightly so. So, managers have never asked for advice from more experienced managers then? The planet I live on is the one where I wouldn't want to be left high and dry in a situation that I couldn't cope with or sort out on my own..which SS quite clearly can't! Not his fault, I'll say it again, he was the wrong man for this job at this time. This is such a crucial time in this Club's history, it's not just about relegation to League one it's about what that could mean for the Club as a whole. I would hope that if someone was brought in to assist it would be done sensitively. If SS chose to leave it would say a lot about him I know that!
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Post by Roger Everyone on Feb 13, 2024 13:13:37 GMT
I agree. I love the man to death, but why can't we just let him be the legend that he is? Why would we want to risk that? If he came here, nothing changed, and we parted on bad terms, that would have been heartbreaking. No, let TP sit up there with Waddo and Lou as the holy trinity of Stoke City managers. We need our legends more than we need some advice that SS may or may not heed. Schuey played under Moyes, right? (although as a kid). Let him ask him instead. Moyes would be a cracking DoF, but out of our league, MON is a better choice. Plus MON has the ultimate argument: "knows the club"! I don't think TP does anymore, too many years have passed. Bring back Lou and Pulis as joint managers 😄 You could have Big Ron Atkinson as well, he could advise Lou and pulis !
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 13, 2024 13:14:31 GMT
Could you imagine anything more condescending or patronising to Schumacher than bringing a retired former manager to advise him? Honestly what planet do people live on? He’d walk out the door on the spot and rightly so. I dont think he'd mind too much, he seems open to learn. (TBH I get the impression he feels like a bit of a competition winner in the role at present, meant in the nicest possible way, he knows he landed a great job and money for life.)
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Post by stokief on Feb 13, 2024 13:18:33 GMT
Stokief...... Is it time to reopen the bar? used to be dixoga (the jinx) now I'm just Grumpy Wotcha Dixo ! I don't know about Grumpy, I'm feckin' LIVID! Can you imagine the bar nowadays after all we've been through?! The Stokief matchday cocktails wouldn't hit the spot now.. it'd be nothing but hard liquor! Mind, Staffsoatcake's probably still wearing those lucky pants in vague hope (probably still on his head) I may have to re-open if we drop down. We'll be back to where we started on here without about 35 of us left moaning each week
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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 13, 2024 13:19:33 GMT
Has everyone already forgotten that Schumacher has openly stated already he's leant on other managers for advice. Southgate and Ange being two of them I think I read something about his footballing philosophy being similar to Ange's and they spoke quite a lot. It's probably ok playing such high stakes football when you have Spurs' players, but not sure it is with ours!
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Post by callas12 on Feb 13, 2024 13:22:23 GMT
Has everyone already forgotten that Schumacher has openly stated already he's leant on other managers for advice. Southgate and Ange being two of them I know Ange is good as a match summariser but not quite sure SS wouldn't approach her to discuss tactics for the forthcoming match 😉🤣
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Post by dirtclod on Feb 13, 2024 13:23:02 GMT
Stokief...... Is it time to reopen the bar? used to be dixoga (the jinx) now I'm just Grumpy Wotcha Dixo ! I don't know about Grumpy, I'm feckin' LIVID! Can you imagine the bar nowadays after all we've been through?! The Stokief matchday cocktails wouldn't hit the spot now.. it'd be nothing but hard liquor! Mind, Staffsoatcake's probably still wearing those lucky pants in vague hope (probably still on his head) I may have to re-open if we drop down. We'll be back to where we started on here without about 35 of us left moaning each week 36 of us.
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Post by stokief on Feb 13, 2024 13:25:40 GMT
Wotcha Dixo ! I don't know about Grumpy, I'm feckin' LIVID! Can you imagine the bar nowadays after all we've been through?! The Stokief matchday cocktails wouldn't hit the spot now.. it'd be nothing but hard liquor! Mind, Staffsoatcake's probably still wearing those lucky pants in vague hope (probably still on his head) I may have to re-open if we drop down. We'll be back to where we started on here without about 35 of us left moaning each week 36 of us. Plus the bar dog!
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