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Post by Robo10 on Feb 12, 2024 12:06:10 GMT
Was thinking about it on the coach on the way home after Saturdays shambles, and that watching Iversen from right behind the goal he doesnt look like he will save anything at all
Since he came:
5 games (4 league, 1 cup) 1 clean sheet, conceded 12 goals in the others Excluding the cup game, he has faced 14 shots so far in the 4 league games and conceded 8, saving 6 (43%) - thats fairly appalling?
Admittedly he is behind a shambles of a defence but still....
I'm not a huge Bonham fan, but compare JBs stats of
13 league matches 5 clean sheets 59 shots faced, saved 41 (69.5%), conceded 14
(Travers 13 games, 67 shots faced, 49 saves (73%), 18 goals conceded)
The shitshow of our defence and keeper is truly a horror - but I'm not convinced Iversen is any better than what we had! I thought he would be a large commanding figure in the area (the stuff that Bonham is fairly poor at), but he isnt. Distribution is poor (as is JBs). Slow off his line.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 12, 2024 12:09:41 GMT
I agree mate. From what I've seen so far I'd say that Bonham is better in every aspect of goalkeeping which in itself is a big worry.
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Post by DentySCFC on Feb 12, 2024 12:12:32 GMT
With inverted full backs, playing 2 at the back isn’t helping him, just like it did with Bonham vs Leicester.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 12, 2024 12:28:44 GMT
If the goal is to sign Iversen, we should play him. If it’s just to keep him on loan and bring in another loan for first choice next year, we should probably use Bonham.
Goalkeepers need to develop a relationship with their defence. That’s kind of hard when they’ve just moved to a club, the defence is always up above the half way line and it keeps bloody changing from game to game.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 12, 2024 12:43:22 GMT
Both our keepers are not fit for purpose,but Gordon Banks would struggle with this complete shite thats in front of him.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 12, 2024 13:09:00 GMT
The keeper is totally exposed at the moment due to our tactics and appalling defending.
Can't really think of any big mistakes that Iversen has made, but on the other hand, I can't say I've seen him save all that much either!
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Post by scfcno1fan on Feb 12, 2024 13:12:04 GMT
Yeah I was thinking the same.
He just doesn’t looking imposing or that he would save anything at all.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 12, 2024 13:15:02 GMT
The goalkeeper is about number 456 on the list of 'things wrong with SCFC' right now.
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Post by Robo10 on Feb 12, 2024 13:17:29 GMT
The goalkeeper is about number 456 on the list of 'things wrong with SCFC' right now. If teams are scoring 57% of their shots we are fucked from the start! (Especially since we cant score at the other end...)
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 12, 2024 13:43:28 GMT
As we were saying in the warm up on Saturday, he looked stiff as a board.
Has he made a single save yet?
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Post by thornestein on Feb 12, 2024 14:13:06 GMT
As we were saying in the warm up on Saturday, he looked stiff as a board. Has he made a single save yet? are any of the goals his fault ? , would Bonham have saved any ?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 12, 2024 14:16:24 GMT
As we were saying in the warm up on Saturday, he looked stiff as a board. Has he made a single save yet? are any of the goals his fault ? , would Bonham have saved any ? Why are you comparing him to Bonham, he's an upgrade remember? Which means he should be doing things that Bonham isn't apparently capable of.......
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Post by thornestein on Feb 12, 2024 14:17:30 GMT
are any of the goals his fault ? , would Bonham have saved any ? Why are you comparing him to Bonham, he's an upgrade remember? Which means he should be doing things that Bonham isn't apparently capable of....... i aren’t comparing anything , asking a question hence the question marks
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Post by Robo10 on Feb 12, 2024 14:33:45 GMT
Just watching the 'highlights' on Skys website
Incredibly harsh opinions but:
Blackburn goal #1 - midfielder saunters through ours, out wide, wingers crosses it The striker scores from 4-5 yards out, keeper on his line. Probs be the same for a lot of keepers but no attempt to come out to the cross or to intercept it (that was at pace to be fair)
Blackburn goal #2 - again from out wide, a chipped cross to the back post, an easy header across goal - but again a free header 3-4 yards out, keeper on his line. Should be taking the striker out with a punch!
Blackburn goal #3 - two Stoke defenders completely take each other out of the game and dont win a flick on, simple Sunday league run on goal for the striker on the rightIversen comes to the edge of his 6 yard box, stops, and gets easily done (near post - he is expecting it to go across), ball was nearly central by the time it hit the back. No idea why he stops and doesnt come flying out - probs have scored anyway (was a simple square ball on) but at least make them work for it
The defending by our lot is fucking pitiful on the highlights and their fault completely, an absolute shambles. But we need a keeper barking at them, organising them, making crucial saves
I thought some of the Leicester goals were soft, the Brighton ones too.
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Post by boweryboy on Feb 12, 2024 14:42:07 GMT
Doesn't come off his line enough for me , should be dominating his area more, after all our defence needs all the help it can get,we don't need a hesitant goal keeper as well.
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Post by StokieDJC on Feb 12, 2024 14:52:44 GMT
Been saying it since he arrived that Bonham is better and those who sit near me agree.
Bonham isn’t perfect but he’s no where near the absolute disaster he’s made out to be on here
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Feb 12, 2024 14:56:09 GMT
I got hammered for having the opinion that Iverson was no better than bonham but hey ho..
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Post by rowleyscfc on Feb 12, 2024 15:09:15 GMT
I got hammered for having the opinion that Iverson was no better than bonham but hey ho.. Not even no better, he's a lot worse
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Post by chamberlain on Feb 12, 2024 15:16:59 GMT
Was thinking about it on the coach on the way home after Saturdays shambles, and that watching Iversen from right behind the goal he doesnt look like he will save anything at all Since he came: 5 games (4 league, 1 cup) 1 clean sheet, conceded 12 goals in the others Excluding the cup game, he has faced 14 shots so far in the 4 league games and conceded 8, saving 6 (43%) - thats fairly appalling? Admittedly he is behind a shambles of a defence but still.... I'm not a huge Bonham fan, but compare JBs stats of 13 league matches 5 clean sheets 59 shots faced, saved 41 (69.5%), conceded 14 (Travers 13 games, 67 shots faced, 49 saves (73%), 18 goals conceded) The shitshow of our defence and keeper is truly a horror - but I'm not convinced Iversen is any better than what we had! I thought he would be a large commanding figure in the area (the stuff that Bonham is fairly poor at), but he isnt. Distribution is poor (as is JBs). Slow off his line. Another loan player that hasn't improved us at all
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 12, 2024 15:31:20 GMT
Why are you comparing him to Bonham, he's an upgrade remember? Which means he should be doing things that Bonham isn't apparently capable of....... i aren’t comparing anything , asking a question hence the question marks Well you ignored my question, it was a question hence the question mark.............
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 12, 2024 15:49:28 GMT
The goalkeeper is about number 456 on the list of 'things wrong with SCFC' right now. It's a big red flag for me that he's getting beaten by over half the shots at him. What I will say is that it can't help him having a shit defence infront of him but he was brought in to be better than Jack and so far he's been alot worse.
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Post by lancashirelad on Feb 12, 2024 15:59:15 GMT
With inverted full backs, playing 2 at the back isn’t helping him, just like it did with Bonham vs Leicester. This is what we were saying on Saturday in the first half, we are playing with two defenders and leave loads of areas of play open for the opposition to take advantage of. SS must see this or he is blind and the first thing he must fix. Each week we have a full training week the worse as a team we look defensively.
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Post by jokker on Feb 12, 2024 16:01:53 GMT
As far as Stoke's Danish keepers go, I'd put Iversen well ahead of Haugaard. And well below Sørensen.
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Post by Robo10 on Feb 12, 2024 16:06:36 GMT
Yep - full backs disappear, centre mid seems to disappear, but there isnt anybody up front!
Its a mystery.
Its almost like we need to say "Right, next few games, be solid, 442 (or 451) and stop conceding, might be dour but lets stop the rot.
Get crosses in, shoot on sight, try and drag a couple of scrappy wins from somewhere.
My keeper point is that he hasnt improved us at all, in fact we look worse. So easy to play against too with no voices, no leaders bar Burger (who is a young lad trying his best)
Fuck knows tbh - I'm a lowly Level 1 coach for kids football for the past 15 years, played Sunday league for 20 years before/alongside that, but even I can see it!
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 12, 2024 16:13:43 GMT
Yep - full backs disappear, centre mid seems to disappear, but there isnt anybody up front! Its a mystery. Its almost like we need to say "Right, next few games, be solid, 442 (or 451) and stop conceding, might be dour but lets stop the rot. Get crosses in, shoot on sight, try and drag a couple of scrappy wins from somewhere. My keeper point is that he hasnt improved us at all, in fact we look worse. So easy to play against too with no voices, no leaders bar Burger (who is a young lad trying his best) Fuck knows tbh - I'm a lowly Level 1 coach for kids football for the past 15 years, played Sunday league for 20 years before/alongside that, but even I can see it! Indeed, three back to back nil nils would represent significant progress.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 12, 2024 16:16:54 GMT
Just watching the 'highlights' on Skys website Incredibly harsh opinions but: Blackburn goal #1 - midfielder saunters through ours, out wide, wingers crosses it The striker scores from 4-5 yards out, keeper on his line. Probs be the same for a lot of keepers but no attempt to come out to the cross or to intercept it (that was at pace to be fair) Blackburn goal #2 - again from out wide, a chipped cross to the back post, an easy header across goal - but again a free header 3-4 yards out, keeper on his line. Should be taking the striker out with a punch! Blackburn goal #3 - two Stoke defenders completely take each other out of the game and dont win a flick on, simple Sunday league run on goal for the striker on the rightIversen comes to the edge of his 6 yard box, stops, and gets easily done (near post - he is expecting it to go across), ball was nearly central by the time it hit the back. No idea why he stops and doesnt come flying out - probs have scored anyway (was a simple square ball on) but at least make them work for it The defending by our lot is fucking pitiful on the highlights and their fault completely, an absolute shambles. But we need a keeper barking at them, organising them, making crucial saves I thought some of the Leicester goals were soft, the Brighton ones too. We were right in line with the 3rd goal and I have no idea what Iversen was attempting to do, the ball was hit centrally and not particularly that hard...........
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Post by Robo10 on Feb 12, 2024 16:23:25 GMT
Just watching the 'highlights' on Skys website Incredibly harsh opinions but: Blackburn goal #1 - midfielder saunters through ours, out wide, wingers crosses it The striker scores from 4-5 yards out, keeper on his line. Probs be the same for a lot of keepers but no attempt to come out to the cross or to intercept it (that was at pace to be fair) Blackburn goal #2 - again from out wide, a chipped cross to the back post, an easy header across goal - but again a free header 3-4 yards out, keeper on his line. Should be taking the striker out with a punch! Blackburn goal #3 - two Stoke defenders completely take each other out of the game and dont win a flick on, simple Sunday league run on goal for the striker on the rightIversen comes to the edge of his 6 yard box, stops, and gets easily done (near post - he is expecting it to go across), ball was nearly central by the time it hit the back. No idea why he stops and doesnt come flying out - probs have scored anyway (was a simple square ball on) but at least make them work for it The defending by our lot is fucking pitiful on the highlights and their fault completely, an absolute shambles. But we need a keeper barking at them, organising them, making crucial saves I thought some of the Leicester goals were soft, the Brighton ones too. We were right in line with the 3rd goal and I have no idea what Iversen was attempting to do, the ball was hit centrally and not particularly that hard........... Me too - was row 19 S02 - it was really soft! No attempt to save it or close the player down. Top goalies would have been charging out there and forcing the striker to take it early - the fact he hadnt got to his 6 yard box line by the time the lad had ran 30 yards unchallenged is baffling.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 12, 2024 16:25:49 GMT
We were right in line with the 3rd goal and I have no idea what Iversen was attempting to do, the ball was hit centrally and not particularly that hard........... Me too - was row 19 S02 - it was really soft! No attempt to save it or close the player down. Top goalies would have been charging out there and forcing the striker to take it early - the fact he hadnt got to his 6 yard box line by the time the lad had ran 30 yards unchallenged is baffling. Yeah was in the same block just a few rows further down......
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 12, 2024 16:32:36 GMT
Shilton, Banks and Crossley in the goal altogether would struggle with this set of useless sods in front of them
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Post by spoton on Feb 12, 2024 17:03:55 GMT
thought schumacher brought his own goalkeeper coach in,he must not be to good at his job
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