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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 10, 2024 20:11:35 GMT
Again, no idea what’s gone on since Birmingham but 80%?of the squad now look like complete wastes of space.
Goalkeepers - both about the same level, unlikely to win you any points. Iversen was supposed to be good, yes?
Full backs - one good one, who now looks like he might be a better bet at centre back because the centre halves we have are terrible. Thompson tried there and then flogged there and now not playing at all anywhere
Centre backs - what the actual fuck have we wound up with here?
Central midfielders - doesn’t look too bad on paper, but we still never seem to dominate in there. Pearson, Baker, Johnson and Cundle have all been poor. Can Laurent do something on his return? Burger the clear POTY but he can’t do it on his own
Advanced midfielders/wide players - Bae is good to watch and still adjusting but not quite got that cutting edge just yet. Haksabanovic, Vidigal, Leris, and whoever else has played out there has been largely crap and extremely lightweight
Strikers - how many goals between them, seven? Mmaee on the naughty step, Ennis off the mark but decidedly rusty, Wesley on the shit step, Campbell can’t be fucked, Lowe usually a forlorn trier but understandable given his age.
An horrendous culmination of players assembled and another manager whose confidence is through the floor, wondering what the fuck he’s done coming here. And we’re wondering what the fuck he’s doing with some of these tactics and formations.
Mmaee apparently being an arsehole, apparent evidence of other poor behaviours (Pearson and Campbell pissing off down the tunnel), an evident chasm between what the manager wants and the approach to actually achieving it. He managed it for the first few games and then has decided to hit the self destruct button.
So, a squad that simply will not keep clean sheets and not score enough goals. Do you go defensive and try to pinch low scoring encounters? Do you go direct to a lump like Wesley? Or even stick someone like Leris up there who can win headers at least? Whatever we do, we can’t carry on playing like this.
Players - the majority of you are spineless, gutless arseholes
Manager - you are fast running out of credit, whether the players are making it more difficult for you or not. A loss on Wednesday and I can see it being curtains. Even then, I can’t see what anyone else picks to get us home safely this season.
Unfortunately there are 25 players and only 1 manager, and there’s only one way this ends if it carries on. If the board hold their nerve and let the manager see this through come what may then fair enough, but I just don’t see them taking that risk.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Feb 10, 2024 20:14:40 GMT
Throw some dice. How worse could it be?
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Post by idle on Feb 10, 2024 20:17:03 GMT
It's the tactics. SS is way too gung ho, especially away from home.
We'd look much better in a 3421, as the CBs aren't good enough to be alone defending, and have one more player to stop the left side from being exploited.
Hoever, McNally and Rose were fine when doing this. We need to be a bit more cautious. Wilmot needs dropping.
Junior and Thompson/Gooch looked much better as wingbacks, and then Burger and Cundle could be the MCs, while Bae, Ennis and Million make up the front three.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 10, 2024 20:17:12 GMT
I know. It’s the madhouse scenario now. Schumacher doesn’t know what to do or who to pick where. We’re fooked
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 10, 2024 20:20:37 GMT
Again, no idea what’s gone on since Birmingham but 80%?of the squad now look like complete wastes of space. Goalkeepers - both about the same level, unlikely to win you any points. Iversen was supposed to be good, yes? Full backs - one good one, who now looks like he might be a better bet at centre back because the centre halves we have are terrible. Thompson tried there and then flogged there and now not playing at all anywhere Centre backs - what the actual fuck have we wound up with here? Central midfielders - doesn’t look too bad on paper, but we still never seem to dominate in there. Pearson, Baker, Johnson and Cundle have all been poor. Can Laurent do something on his return? Burger the clear POTY but he can’t do it on his own Advanced midfielders/wide players - Bae is good to watch and still adjusting but not quite got that cutting edge just yet. Haksabanovic, Vidigal, Leris, and whoever else has played out there has been largely crap and extremely lightweight Strikers - how many goals between them, seven? Mmaee on the naughty step, Ennis off the mark but decidedly rusty, Wesley on the shit step, Campbell can’t be fucked, Lowe usually a forlorn trier but understandable given his age. An horrendous culmination of players assembled and another manager whose confidence is through the floor, wondering what the fuck he’s done coming here. And we’re wondering what the fuck he’s doing with some of these tactics and formations. Mmaee apparently being an arsehole, apparent evidence of other poor behaviours (Pearson and Campbell pissing off down the tunnel), an evident chasm between what the manager wants and the approach to actually achieving it. He managed it for the first few games and then has decided to hit the self destruct button. So, a squad that simply will not keep clean sheets and not score enough goals. Do you go defensive and try to pinch low scoring encounters? Do you go direct to a lump like Wesley? Or even stick someone like Leris up there who can win headers at least? Whatever we do, we can’t carry on playing like this. Players - the majority of you are spineless, gutless arseholes Manager - you are fast running out of credit, whether the players are making it more difficult for you or not. A loss on Wednesday and I can see it being curtains. Even then, I can’t see what anyone else picks to get us home safely this season. Unfortunately there are 25 players and only 1 manager, and there’s only one way this ends if it carries on. If the board hold their nerve and let the manager see this through come what may then fair enough, but I just don’t see them taking that risk. Good OP Gary. Over the years I've always enjoyed discussing tactics and offering an advance opinion on what I'd like the starting XI to be but nowadays, I end up thinking, just what is the point? Virtually the entire squad is just plain rubbish. I really wouldn't be prepared to hang my hat on anybody outside of Burger and maybe Bae. It's a complete shitshow. |
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 10, 2024 20:22:46 GMT
Either:
Iversen
Junior Rose McNally Wilmot Gooch
Burger Baker
Bae
Ennis Manhoef
Or:
Iversen
Junior Rose Wilmot Hoever
Burger Baker
Campbell Bae Million
Ennis
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 10, 2024 20:23:50 GMT
It is really difficult to see a team being picked moving forward that has enough about it, to grind out sufficient results, I pray I am proved wrong.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 10, 2024 20:25:56 GMT
Throw some dice. How worse could it be? That or ip dip doo maybe.... |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 10, 2024 20:26:05 GMT
Simplify things, be solid and get players in an around the box capable of a moment that might lead to a goal:
Iversen
Tchamadeu
Rose
Wilmot
Hoever
Baker
Burger
Thompson
Campbell
Ennis/Mmaee
Bae Jun-ho
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Post by spoton on Feb 10, 2024 20:27:11 GMT
Keep the same team but this time don't push the full backs up, stupid tactics when our defence is so weak
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 10, 2024 20:35:44 GMT
Again, no idea what’s gone on since Birmingham but 80%?of the squad now look like complete wastes of space. Goalkeepers - both about the same level, unlikely to win you any points. Iversen was supposed to be good, yes? Full backs - one good one, who now looks like he might be a better bet at centre back because the centre halves we have are terrible. Thompson tried there and then flogged there and now not playing at all anywhere Centre backs - what the actual fuck have we wound up with here? Central midfielders - doesn’t look too bad on paper, but we still never seem to dominate in there. Pearson, Baker, Johnson and Cundle have all been poor. Can Laurent do something on his return? Burger the clear POTY but he can’t do it on his own Advanced midfielders/wide players - Bae is good to watch and still adjusting but not quite got that cutting edge just yet. Haksabanovic, Vidigal, Leris, and whoever else has played out there has been largely crap and extremely lightweight Strikers - how many goals between them, seven? Mmaee on the naughty step, Ennis off the mark but decidedly rusty, Wesley on the shit step, Campbell can’t be fucked, Lowe usually a forlorn trier but understandable given his age. An horrendous culmination of players assembled and another manager whose confidence is through the floor, wondering what the fuck he’s done coming here. And we’re wondering what the fuck he’s doing with some of these tactics and formations. Mmaee apparently being an arsehole, apparent evidence of other poor behaviours (Pearson and Campbell pissing off down the tunnel), an evident chasm between what the manager wants and the approach to actually achieving it. He managed it for the first few games and then has decided to hit the self destruct button. So, a squad that simply will not keep clean sheets and not score enough goals. Do you go defensive and try to pinch low scoring encounters? Do you go direct to a lump like Wesley? Or even stick someone like Leris up there who can win headers at least? Whatever we do, we can’t carry on playing like this. Players - the majority of you are spineless, gutless arseholes Manager - you are fast running out of credit, whether the players are making it more difficult for you or not. A loss on Wednesday and I can see it being curtains. Even then, I can’t see what anyone else picks to get us home safely this season. Unfortunately there are 25 players and only 1 manager, and there’s only one way this ends if it carries on. If the board hold their nerve and let the manager see this through come what may then fair enough, but I just don’t see them taking that risk. Good OP Gary. Over the years I've always enjoyed discussing tactics and offering an advance opinion on what I'd like the starting XI to be but nowadays, I end up thinking, just what is the point? Virtually the entire squad is just plain rubbish. I really wouldn't be prepared to hang my hat on anybody outside of Burger and maybe Bae. It's a complete shitshow. Part of the reason I’ve not offered any suggestion myself to be fair! I really have no clue and I don’t think the man that matters does either. Expect another 5 or 6 changes for QPR and hope something works, but the squad is just a mixture of meek nothingness. Which players of ours would you fear playing against? There’s no monster defender to beat you up, no rapid winger who’ll run you all day long, no lethal striker to punish you and no physical striker to make it difficult. We’re a pushover. I know it’s maybe for another thread, but do you think we stick or twist if this carries on? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 10, 2024 20:42:41 GMT
Good OP Gary. Over the years I've always enjoyed discussing tactics and offering an advance opinion on what I'd like the starting XI to be but nowadays, I end up thinking, just what is the point? Virtually the entire squad is just plain rubbish. I really wouldn't be prepared to hang my hat on anybody outside of Burger and maybe Bae. It's a complete shitshow. Part of the reason I’ve not offered any suggestion myself to be fair! I really have no clue and I don’t think the man that matters does either. Expect another 5 or 6 changes for QPR and hope something works, but the squad is just a mixture of meek nothingness. Which players of ours would you fear playing against? There’s no monster defender to beat you up, no rapid winger who’ll run you all day long, no lethal striker to punish you and no physical striker to make it difficult. We’re a pushover. I know it’s maybe for another thread, but do you think we stick or twist if this carries on? I don't think changing the manager will solve anything. We could bring in Fat Sam tomorrow and I think the results would still be no less guaranteed. Essentially I think we could go down, no matter who is at the helm, so we might as well pray that the bloke who is already here, can somehow, miraculously pull a rabbit out of a hat. It cannot be overstated, just how little he has got to work with mind. |
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Post by stokecitydom on Feb 10, 2024 20:47:41 GMT
Simplify things, be solid and get players in an around the box capable of a moment that might lead to a goal: Iversen Tchamadeu Rose Wilmot Hoever Baker Burger Thompson Campbell Ennis/Mmaee Bae Jun-ho Have to agree with that. We need to abandon the inverted fullbacks that he’s trying to play. We need to protect the back 4, build some sort of solid foundation & hope that we can nick a goal or two. For all the stick that Campbell gets, he has to play him. Get him on the right wing & see if he can create/score some goals. |
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Post by thepottypotter on Feb 10, 2024 20:50:14 GMT
Again, no idea what’s gone on since Birmingham but 80%?of the squad now look like complete wastes of space. Goalkeepers - both about the same level, unlikely to win you any points. Iversen was supposed to be good, yes? Full backs - one good one, who now looks like he might be a better bet at centre back because the centre halves we have are terrible. Thompson tried there and then flogged there and now not playing at all anywhere Centre backs - what the actual fuck have we wound up with here? Central midfielders - doesn’t look too bad on paper, but we still never seem to dominate in there. Pearson, Baker, Johnson and Cundle have all been poor. Can Laurent do something on his return? Burger the clear POTY but he can’t do it on his own Advanced midfielders/wide players - Bae is good to watch and still adjusting but not quite got that cutting edge just yet. Haksabanovic, Vidigal, Leris, and whoever else has played out there has been largely crap and extremely lightweight Strikers - how many goals between them, seven? Mmaee on the naughty step, Ennis off the mark but decidedly rusty, Wesley on the shit step, Campbell can’t be fucked, Lowe usually a forlorn trier but understandable given his age. An horrendous culmination of players assembled and another manager whose confidence is through the floor, wondering what the fuck he’s done coming here. And we’re wondering what the fuck he’s doing with some of these tactics and formations. Mmaee apparently being an arsehole, apparent evidence of other poor behaviours (Pearson and Campbell pissing off down the tunnel), an evident chasm between what the manager wants and the approach to actually achieving it. He managed it for the first few games and then has decided to hit the self destruct button. So, a squad that simply will not keep clean sheets and not score enough goals. Do you go defensive and try to pinch low scoring encounters? Do you go direct to a lump like Wesley? Or even stick someone like Leris up there who can win headers at least? Whatever we do, we can’t carry on playing like this. Players - the majority of you are spineless, gutless arseholes Manager - you are fast running out of credit, whether the players are making it more difficult for you or not. A loss on Wednesday and I can see it being curtains. Even then, I can’t see what anyone else picks to get us home safely this season. Unfortunately there are 25 players and only 1 manager, and there’s only one way this ends if it carries on. If the board hold their nerve and let the manager see this through come what may then fair enough, but I just don’t see them taking that risk. Martin and Jared hired cultural architects alright - ones that either have a corrosive effect on the squad - Mmaee, or the rest who are a bunch of spineless, effortless, gutless wasters. Mmaee alone, the reports on his attitude problems from previous clubs should have been a massive red flag and we never proceeded. Repeating not signing any decent defenders has led to the worst defence, the worst recruitment I can ever remember from Stoke. |
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Post by karl on Feb 10, 2024 20:51:48 GMT
There must be a left back in the under 23's that we can play in the first team.
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Post by noustie on Feb 10, 2024 20:52:12 GMT
Hogwarts Sorting Hat?
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 10, 2024 20:53:47 GMT
"Cultural architect"...
Haha. Fuckin Clarke he was talking about wasn't he?
He ought to be sacked for that pathetic soundbite alone.
Wanker.
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Post by stuammo on Feb 10, 2024 21:12:42 GMT
Players - the majority of you are spineless, gutless arseholes
This!!! Just this!! About time they took some responsibility.
For his flaws, changes, gungho tactics, Schuey is probably the right kind of man we need in charge. His approach and mindset is what’s needed long term, whether it materialises is another matter but these players are an absolute disgrace.
There is no excuse for the level of performance they are churning out week in week out.
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Post by nickhfc on Feb 10, 2024 21:26:39 GMT
Again, no idea what’s gone on since Birmingham but 80%?of the squad now look like complete wastes of space. Goalkeepers - both about the same level, unlikely to win you any points. Iversen was supposed to be good, yes? Full backs - one good one, who now looks like he might be a better bet at centre back because the centre halves we have are terrible. Thompson tried there and then flogged there and now not playing at all anywhere Centre backs - what the actual fuck have we wound up with here? Central midfielders - doesn’t look too bad on paper, but we still never seem to dominate in there. Pearson, Baker, Johnson and Cundle have all been poor. Can Laurent do something on his return? Burger the clear POTY but he can’t do it on his own Advanced midfielders/wide players - Bae is good to watch and still adjusting but not quite got that cutting edge just yet. Haksabanovic, Vidigal, Leris, and whoever else has played out there has been largely crap and extremely lightweight Strikers - how many goals between them, seven? Mmaee on the naughty step, Ennis off the mark but decidedly rusty, Wesley on the shit step, Campbell can’t be fucked, Lowe usually a forlorn trier but understandable given his age. An horrendous culmination of players assembled and another manager whose confidence is through the floor, wondering what the fuck he’s done coming here. And we’re wondering what the fuck he’s doing with some of these tactics and formations. Mmaee apparently being an arsehole, apparent evidence of other poor behaviours (Pearson and Campbell pissing off down the tunnel), an evident chasm between what the manager wants and the approach to actually achieving it. He managed it for the first few games and then has decided to hit the self destruct button. So, a squad that simply will not keep clean sheets and not score enough goals. Do you go defensive and try to pinch low scoring encounters? Do you go direct to a lump like Wesley? Or even stick someone like Leris up there who can win headers at least? Whatever we do, we can’t carry on playing like this. Players - the majority of you are spineless, gutless arseholes Manager - you are fast running out of credit, whether the players are making it more difficult for you or not. A loss on Wednesday and I can see it being curtains. Even then, I can’t see what anyone else picks to get us home safely this season. Unfortunately there are 25 players and only 1 manager, and there’s only one way this ends if it carries on. If the board hold their nerve and let the manager see this through come what may then fair enough, but I just don’t see them taking that risk. Good OP Gary. Over the years I've always enjoyed discussing tactics and offering an advance opinion on what I'd like the starting XI to be but nowadays, I end up thinking, just what is the point? Virtually the entire squad is just plain rubbish. I really wouldn't be prepared to hang my hat on anybody outside of Burger and maybe Bae. It's a complete shitshow. Looking at the staff on the benches today, none of them seemed to be offering anything positive. Their body language was shocking. |
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Post by nickhfc on Feb 10, 2024 21:28:30 GMT
Simplify things, be solid and get players in an around the box capable of a moment that might lead to a goal: Iversen Tchamadeu Rose Wilmot Hoever Baker Burger Thompson Campbell Ennis/Mmaee Bae Jun-ho Have to agree with that. We need to abandon the inverted fullbacks that he’s trying to play. We need to protect the back 4, build some sort of solid foundation & hope that we can nick a goal or two. For all the stick that Campbell gets, he has to play him. Get him on the right wing & see if he can create/score some goals. Million scores goals from the left, so that makes sense. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 10, 2024 21:32:16 GMT
Throw some dice. How worse could it be? He tried this today: didn’t work. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 10, 2024 22:00:06 GMT
Identify your best players and play them in positions that suit them.
The clowns who oversaw this year’s recruitment have left us with no viable LB, so doing the above is difficult and will inevitably involve some compromises.
Not much to choose between Bonham and Iversen, so I’d pick our player over the loanee.
I think our best full backs are Junior and Hoever: one of them will have to play on the left.
We only have 3 CBs. They’re all about the same level so any 2 from 3.
Burger and Junho have to play. I’d also pick Thompson in the middle.
Given the poor quality of the strikers I’d pick an extra body in the middle: Baker’s as likely to score as any of the forwards.
Ennis and Million upfront? Campbell is our best, if he can be arsed.
A fit Lauren would probably get in. We really do have an unbalanced squad don’t we.
Never want to see Haks.. or Johnson again.
Bonham
Hoever
CB 1
CB 2
Junior
Burger
Baker
Thompson
Junho
Whichever 2 strikers names come out of the hat.
Whatever the manager decides, it really is time for him to commit to a smaller group of players and to stop buggering about selecting arseholes who don’t give a shit.
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Post by thepottypotter on Feb 10, 2024 22:13:49 GMT
There’s no spine (in every sense) in this assortment of misfit individuals.
I would honestly put their names in a tombola and draw them out, or ask ChatGPT.
It really doesn’t matter as I can’t see us winning again this season.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 10, 2024 22:16:41 GMT
It honestly wouldn’t shock me if Big Sam is in place for our last 10 games
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Post by jzime on Feb 10, 2024 22:25:06 GMT
We need to just pick a side that seems logical on paper, any side really that isn't completely illogical, and fucking stick with it for three or four games.
Tell the players that unless they do something really stupid or ill-disciplined, you'll back them. Tell them that even if they make the odd mistakes, they won't get dropped for it.
We cannot, cannot keep going into must-win games with players on the field knowing that if they miss a decent chance or make a couple of dodgy passes, they're at risk of getting dropped. The squad has proven themselves too mentally weak for that. This chopping and changing surely isn't helping anybody. We really just need to try to build some confidence, imho.
The manager has made his point about discipline and training by exiling Mmaee. And I can only assume it's a similar situation with Baker or dropping from the first IX over the last few games makes little sense. And I'm glad he has made his point about that.
But now it's time to get the rest of the squad on side and try to galvanise them. Identify what you think is your best XI and give them them a run together; it's one of the basics of the sport for me and way too many Stoke managers have neglected that for way too long.
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Post by headsgoup on Feb 10, 2024 22:26:13 GMT
3412/3421 has had us looking the most solid.
Only problem is, where does Manhoef fit in that?
What a mess.
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Post by Sfance on Feb 10, 2024 22:33:58 GMT
Again, no idea what’s gone on since Birmingham but 80%?of the squad now look like complete wastes of space. Goalkeepers - both about the same level, unlikely to win you any points. Iversen was supposed to be good, yes? Full backs - one good one, who now looks like he might be a better bet at centre back because the centre halves we have are terrible. Thompson tried there and then flogged there and now not playing at all anywhere Centre backs - what the actual fuck have we wound up with here? Central midfielders - doesn’t look too bad on paper, but we still never seem to dominate in there. Pearson, Baker, Johnson and Cundle have all been poor. Can Laurent do something on his return? Burger the clear POTY but he can’t do it on his own Advanced midfielders/wide players - Bae is good to watch and still adjusting but not quite got that cutting edge just yet. Haksabanovic, Vidigal, Leris, and whoever else has played out there has been largely crap and extremely lightweight Strikers - how many goals between them, seven? Mmaee on the naughty step, Ennis off the mark but decidedly rusty, Wesley on the shit step, Campbell can’t be fucked, Lowe usually a forlorn trier but understandable given his age. An horrendous culmination of players assembled and another manager whose confidence is through the floor, wondering what the fuck he’s done coming here. And we’re wondering what the fuck he’s doing with some of these tactics and formations. Mmaee apparently being an arsehole, apparent evidence of other poor behaviours (Pearson and Campbell pissing off down the tunnel), an evident chasm between what the manager wants and the approach to actually achieving it. He managed it for the first few games and then has decided to hit the self destruct button. So, a squad that simply will not keep clean sheets and not score enough goals. Do you go defensive and try to pinch low scoring encounters? Do you go direct to a lump like Wesley? Or even stick someone like Leris up there who can win headers at least? Whatever we do, we can’t carry on playing like this. Players - the majority of you are spineless, gutless arseholes Manager - you are fast running out of credit, whether the players are making it more difficult for you or not. A loss on Wednesday and I can see it being curtains. Even then, I can’t see what anyone else picks to get us home safely this season. Unfortunately there are 25 players and only 1 manager, and there’s only one way this ends if it carries on. If the board hold their nerve and let the manager see this through come what may then fair enough, but I just don’t see them taking that risk. A “culmination of players”!! Whether you did tgat on purpose or not, a perfect description! |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 10, 2024 22:39:37 GMT
First thing that needs to happen is to sack off 4-3-3, it's crap and we don't have the player capable, then go from there.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 10, 2024 22:42:33 GMT
5 at the back for me but I don’t have a clue about personnel. Only Burger and Junho survive for me. I’ll try
Iversen
McNally
Wilmot
Rose
Tchamadeu
Burger
Thompson
Junho
Gooch
Wes
Ennis
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Post by whatsashig on Feb 10, 2024 23:12:01 GMT
Just use players that want try, ange commentary today was spot on, it’s unbelievable that effort and desire as a base line of requirement needs clarification, on any level of football, forget the tricky dickers of formations false bollox x or y, tactics is shit without desire. In that sense I’ll suggest 4:4:2 , n yeah get overwhelmed with tactical discussions how that dunt work any more, ho ok go pulis 4:4:1:1, any formation dunt work if players don’t work, it’s team spirit we need now like fa cup games not clever dickery, we are lacking fundamental spirit. We or football in general are trying to be to clever about winning a game that’s kicking a bloody pigs bladder about.
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