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Post by spitshaw on Feb 10, 2024 23:12:17 GMT
5 at the back for me but I don’t have a clue about personnel. Only Burger and Junho survive for me. I’ll try Iversen McNally Wilmot Rose Tchamadeu Burger Thompson Junho Gooch Wes Ennis Exact same side and setup I'd go for. - though I'd consider Bonham for Iversen. The formation solidifies the defence and middle and gives us two up top to play off each other so not all the chances have to be created by our wank lazy out of form wide forwards. Plus we don't really have a decent option for playing one up top. This also gives Gooch and junior the option of getting forward without leaving our defence totally exposed like the last two games. Feels like this is the only sensible and realistic option. Which is why it'll never happen
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 11, 2024 4:17:55 GMT
Keep the same team but this time don't push the full backs up, stupid tactics when our defence is so weak So you’re suggesting he should play that useless wank lazy git Daniel Johnson again ?!
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 11, 2024 4:18:53 GMT
First thing to do: drop Daniel Johnson
Ideally off the edge of a cliff
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Feb 11, 2024 4:39:43 GMT
My first men on the team sheet
Lewis Baker
Burger
Vidigal
Ennis ?
Wilmott
The rest you can pick.I really don't care ..
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 11, 2024 4:57:02 GMT
4-4 faqin 2!
Junior cb cb Hoever Million Pearson Burger Thompson Ennis Campbell
I just want us to be more solid and hopefully Nick a goal!
6 x 1-0's would do it!
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Post by clarkeda on Feb 11, 2024 6:11:38 GMT
8 changes each in both games have left him nowhere to go really.
If you were to hold a gun to my head I’d probably go one of two options
Iverson (only just) Hoever McNally Rose Junior burger pearson Thompson Bae Ennis million
Or
Iverson Junior McNally rose Hoever Burger Pearson baker/bae Million Ennis Campbell
I know Campbell is on borrowed time but who else do you play there
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Post by biddulphchav on Feb 11, 2024 7:02:40 GMT
8 changes each in both games have left him nowhere to go really. If you were to hold a gun to my head I’d probably go one of two options Iverson (only just) Hoever McNally Rose Junior burger pearson Thompson Bae Ennis million Or Iverson Junior McNally rose Hoever Burger Pearson baker/bae Million Ennis Campbell I know Campbell is on borrowed time but who else do you play there Gooch cannot play at full back. He’s rubbish, and a utility player at the absolute most. We’ve got to go back to basics and become hard to beat. The manager got carried away with a few good performances, pissed away the opportunity to bring in some defensive reinforcements, and is way way too open meaning we end up chasing games and heads go down. We don’t have a good squad, but we have enough to stay up, comfortably in my opinion. Now is the time to pick a solid lineup, with players in their normal positions and become hard to beat. This is all on SS in my view, he’s showing how naive he is. It’s like Nathan Jones all over again, small time manager who’s done well at 1 club and believes he can just recreate the success he’s had by following the same blueprint. Well sorry Steven, you’ll be on the scrap heap in now time unless you adapt, and you can start by eating some humble pie and get our best striker back into the squad, as his replacement looks like Kyle Lightbourne has smoked some crack and rolled back 20 odd years. We are fucked.
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 11, 2024 7:09:24 GMT
Great description of Ennis, Kyle Lightbourne reincarnate, even run the same👍
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Post by idle on Feb 11, 2024 7:28:29 GMT
3412/3421 has had us looking the most solid. Only problem is, where does Manhoef fit in that? What a mess. In the 3-4-2-1 he would play the left AM, and the LWB would go inside. Not ideal, but we can't go on playing with inside forwards and the fullbacks staying as far up the pitch as we do now. In practice, we're playing 2-5-3!
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Post by idle on Feb 11, 2024 7:41:03 GMT
My first men on the team sheet Lewis Baker Burger Vidigal Ennis ? Wilmott The rest you can pick.I really don't care .. We've leaked goals since Wilmot came back in the team. Not all his fault, but still. We dropped the ok performing McNally-Rose partnership after one bad game, and it has all fallen to pieces since.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 11, 2024 8:05:31 GMT
Bonham Wilmot McNally Rose Hoever Burger Thompson Tchamadeu Junho Manhoef Ennis
Or
Bonham Hoever McNally Rose Tchamadeu Burger Thompson Campbell Junho Manhoef Ennis
The fact we’ve got so many different formations and player selections on this thread is one of the reasons we’re in such a mess though.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 11, 2024 8:16:07 GMT
Iversen was always going to come back (although it has to be said any upgrade over Bonham is marginal) Tchamadeu was always going to come back. I can understand him scrambling for an upgrade over Thompson - but there isn't one Manhoef was always going to start as the new £3.5m messiah. Rose must've been injured, so it was either McNally or Clark. Devil. Deep blue sea. Ennis v Campbell isn't a bombshell, and Campbell can have no complaints.
So while the headline is 8 changes, there weren't many shocks as such.
Johnson was the strange one, and that was explained by training performances, with the coach saying he'd been a "driving force". At least Cundle showed there weren't any favourites.
Going forward, no idea.
It's Burger, Bae, Tchamadeu - then names out of a hat.
On the next tier down, you'd probably have to include Baker and Campbell just because they may actually score one of those goal things.
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Post by premieraj on Feb 11, 2024 8:23:02 GMT
For me he has to swallow the 8s scenario and go 532 to try to give us solidity.
Iversen
Junior
Willmot McNally Rose
Gooch
Laurent Burger Baker
Ennis Campbell
I just want to see as much experience that we can muster stay solid and try to win some scrappy 1 0s?
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Post by premieraj on Feb 11, 2024 8:24:27 GMT
For me he has to swallow the 8s scenario and go 532 to try to give us solidity. Iversen Junior Willmot McNally Rose Gooch Laurent Burger Baker Ennis Campbell I just want to see as much experience that we can muster stay solid and try to win some scrappy 1 0s? I know that loses a couple of so called flair players but this is not the time….
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Post by chiswickpotter on Feb 11, 2024 8:34:16 GMT
We can’t go back to 5-3-2 that hasn’t worked for the last 3 years nd got MON sacked. We don’t have wingbacks or a left sided CB we trust and McNally isn’t suited to the middle of a 3.
Our main problem is we are far too open on transition because we have one CDM and are pushing our full backs too high. Yesterday Gooch was going wide into vidigal’s space negating them both and for the first two goals neither of them were in the right place defensively. For now, Junior and Hoever are the best two options at FB. Then Pearson has to play along side Burger, Campbell and Maaee are our best two forwards so such start longside either Ennis or Million, or all 4 with one as a 10. Otherwise I would try Haks as a 10 as neither Bae, Cundle or Johnson have shone there.
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Post by jokker on Feb 11, 2024 10:07:12 GMT
According to the pre-match Cavanagh interview yesterday's team was picked with a view to the two games over four days next week, in other words Schuhmacher may already have had a rotated selection in mind for the qpr game even before playing the Blackburn game. So any changes in line up won't be as a result of yesterday's game.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 11, 2024 10:11:09 GMT
I’d be dropping Wilmot without any hesitation. He was as weak as piss yesterday. Rose and McNally are both poor but they’ve shown glimpses at least of being able to forge a semi competent partnership.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 11, 2024 10:13:10 GMT
I still think it’s really easy tbh.
Why managers just keep ignoring 4231 is anyone’s guess. Thick fuckers.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 11, 2024 11:01:30 GMT
If we wanted to be hard to beat there's always Gally's Christmas tree formation.
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Post by premieraj on Feb 11, 2024 11:12:47 GMT
If we wanted to be hard to beat there's always Gally's Christmas tree formation. I actually think Gally would be a good bet as he seems to have player respect? I just think with Shoey’s inexperience it would work until the end of the season! Look at his assistant who has only played at a lower level he probably is not commanding any respect? Not that it should matter.
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Post by march4 on Feb 11, 2024 11:30:29 GMT
You can’t easily pick a side.
We have some players who are months from being acclimatised to Championship football.
We have the previous manager’s favourites who are probably miffed that he’s gone.
The new manager has brought in two of his former players which could cause resentment amongst those dropped to make room for them.
A player has been publicly disciplined, so him and his mates could be miffed.
We have a talented young manager who had an experienced mentor at his previous club and we have left him behind.
We have no leaders in the team, no left back, no dominant centre back, no strong goalscorer and most of the players don’t look like the sort who will relish a relegation fight.
What a mess!
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Post by stiggerstackle on Feb 11, 2024 11:34:13 GMT
I’d be dropping Wilmot without any hesitation. He was as weak as piss yesterday. Rose and McNally are both poor but they’ve shown glimpses at least of being able to forge a semi competent partnership. I agree, however I’d just love to know how we manage to break so many players? Rose and McNally were key players in promotion chasing teams last year but look like journeymen here. Not great but def the best partnership we have.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 11, 2024 11:36:50 GMT
I’d be dropping Wilmot without any hesitation. He was as weak as piss yesterday. Rose and McNally are both poor but they’ve shown glimpses at least of being able to forge a semi competent partnership. I agree, however I’d just love to know how we manage to break so many players? Rose and McNally were key players in promotion chasing teams last year but look like journeymen here. Not great but def the best partnership we have. I know and it’s a recurring theme with players, coaches and managers. Christ knows what’s going on behind the scenes.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 11, 2024 11:41:35 GMT
First thing to do: drop Daniel Johnson Ideally off the edge of a cliff Is this because he missed the penalty or because his performance was poor? Genuine question, I've not even seen the highlights. I've always felt that he is different from our other midfielders because he is calm and always makes himself available for a pass. He or Baker if not both need to be in the team.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 11, 2024 11:48:24 GMT
This is unpalatable and not the way I would want it ideally, but we are going to have to go back to tried and tested “average” championship players. That means bringing Baker, Laurent, Pearson and ,sadly, Johnson back into the fold. Stevens too when he’s fit. We probably also need to go 3/5 at the back and keep a few clean sheets to settle us down.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 11, 2024 11:48:57 GMT
If we wanted to be hard to beat there's always Gally's Christmas tree formation. I actually think Gally would be a good bet as he seems to have player respect? I just think with Shoey’s inexperience it would work until the end of the season! Look at his assistant who has only played at a lower level he probably is not commanding any respect? Not that it should matter. I don't think it would be a bad idea. He halted Neil's disastrous run by having a very simple shape and defending first. I think everything is too complicated at the moment. I honestly feel the way out of this is to pick a solid defence and midfield who are going to do the basic defending properly and then pick two or three forwards and tell them it's up to them how they play but they need to find opportunities to score. I think you would probably say Vdigal/Million, Ennis and Junho. The coaching has got to focus on defending.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 11, 2024 11:59:17 GMT
The other thing that has been worrying me is that up to the Birmingham game we seemed to be performing well without getting results. Didn't we then bring in another Plymouth coach to work specifically on an area of the team. I want to say defence but it could have been attack. Since we've had three appalling performances.
My worry is has this coach fallen out with players? Has he pushed for example Gally more out of the coaching duties causing upset amongst the players who get on with him?
Despite the loss v Birmingham you still got the feeling that the players were together, happy and putting in the effort.
The upset with Mmaee happened before the Sunderland game but was it more than just him. I find it difficult to believe that punishing a player who the rest of the squad acknowledge to be not the most reliable trainer would cause such a contrast in attitude amongst the rest of the team.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 11, 2024 12:00:16 GMT
We can’t go back to 5-3-2 that hasn’t worked for the last 3 years nd got MON sacked. We don’t have wingbacks or a left sided CB we trust and McNally isn’t suited to the middle of a 3. Our main problem is we are far too open on transition because we have one CDM and are pushing our full backs too high. Yesterday Gooch was going wide into vidigal’s space negating them both and for the first two goals neither of them were in the right place defensively. For now, Junior and Hoever are the best two options at FB. Then Pearson has to play along side Burger, Campbell and Maaee are our best two forwards so such start longside either Ennis or Million, or all 4 with one as a 10. Otherwise I would try Haks as a 10 as neither Bae, Cundle or Johnson have shone there. Under previous managers I’d agree but under Schuey our best performances have been in his 3421 Under the previous managers
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 11, 2024 12:00:36 GMT
First thing to do: drop Daniel Johnson Ideally off the edge of a cliff Is this because he missed the penalty or because his performance was poor? Genuine question, I've not even seen the highlights. I've always felt that he is different from our other midfielders because he is calm and always makes himself available for a pass. He or Baker if not both need to be in the team. He makes himself available for a pass, loses the ball and then tracks back at such a pace that the ball would be in the back of our net and at center circle to restart the game by the time he gets to our penalty area. He gives us absolutely nothing, is incredibly lazy, never ever chips in with a goal, doesn’t create goal scoring opportunities, offers no shield to our defence
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Post by trotter1980 on Feb 11, 2024 12:06:14 GMT
for me i would go to his preferred formation at Plymouth last year
3421
Iverson Wilmot rose McNally tch burger baker Thompson junho million Ennis or mmaee
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